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Decent result , away goal is huge. They have to score now which makes a difference, should have more than enough to progress if we start Bruno and Fred the next day.
I'm not, if they score first we'll probably go out.Not saying there haven't, but this is not the first of the season, we have put such performances all season. What makes us confident that we can do the job at home?
Not sure what’s to be expected when you don’t have a deep squad.The Man United way.
Thanks, Ole.
If we play our full strength team we’ll beat them with ease.I'm not, if they score first we'll probably go out.
Seems a reasonable idea, I don‘t see why the manager should not receive a rating while his players do.Why there isn't a rating pad for the manager? Anyone thinks it's a good idea?
We might, but till we get a third it will be a nervy night, nothing surerIf we play our full strength team we’ll beat them with ease.
It’s basically a 3/4/3, when defending, it becomes 5/3/2 sort of, and when attacking, we become 2/5/3.What was the formation we were playing in? Shaw was like a central midfielder at times when we had the ball. Think this shape has potential but really needs the front three to be on the money.
Solskjaer has been at the club for three transfer windows. He has to take his share of responsibility for the state of the squad and the resulting team selections.Not sure what’s to be expected when you don’t have a deep squad.
When your squad players are Lingard, Mata and Pereira you really are fecked.
I'd be up for that as long as I and those who share my view got special dispensation to give Ole 15 out of 10 to help balance out those that would give him only 1/10 even if we won a match 3-0 just for gigglesSeems a reasonable idea, I don‘t see why the manager should not receive a rating while his players do.
Although, I get the feeling the (ever decreasing) Ole fan club may not be very supportive
I think you and I and every other poster on here can only imagine the challenges a manager must face trying to navigate a squad through a season. We've seen how poor some of our fringe players areYeah, who says Ole will put a strong team out next week.
I can expect the same if not worse if Lingard and Perreira ever start together again.
We have just come off a winter break, why not go and finish the tie off in the the first leg and rest in the second?
Oh I agree, but lets be honest he hasn't done a good job of it has he?I think you and I and every other poster on here can only imagine the challenges a manager must face trying to navigate a squad through a season. We've seen how poor some of our fringe players are
Another area when a manager cannot win. If he decides to throw out the league cup - 'lowering of our standards. United should be able to compete for all competitions' - we both know it will be said repeatedly.Oh I agree, but lets be honest he hasn't done a good job of it has he?
When you know you have poor fringe players, you have to prioritise.
Prior to xmas PL is priority
Now, it seems we need to treat EL and PL kind of similar as we don't know which might get us CL.
It is clear that the league cup should not be the priority, we started strong team in the league cups from the early rounds.
Liverpool play CL and PL, they play the same team most games. When they do rotate they rotate 2/3 players at a time.
For example, one game Mane and Hendo rotated
another game Salah and Gini
Ole on the other hand has made GK, CB, RB, Cm, RW, LW, CAM changes.
How are you ever going to find consistency if you keep rotating?
It didnt even need to be a strong team. Bruno for 45 minutes wouldve put that game to bed.Yeah, who says Ole will put a strong team out next week.
I can expect the same if not worse if Lingard and Perreira ever start together again.
We have just come off a winter break, why not go and finish the tie off in the the first leg and rest in the second?
Yes, I agree that the point would be used against Ole if we got knocked out early.Another area when a manager cannot win. If he decides to throw out the league cup - 'lowering of our standards. United should be able to compete for all competitions' - we both know it will be said repeatedly.
Reached the semi's of the league cup. Still in the FA Cup and Europe League. 3 points from fourth. People will see it how they want to see it. Some will say he has done well to navigate this squad to be in that position, others will think we should be top 3 and clear of the pack, and also winning cup matches. Its up to the individual
You're going to have to do more than that to convince K_Ash from the interwebs.Evra is convinced he’s a LB and he has asked Ole to trust him on this one.
I agree, and I think with slightly better luck with injuries we would be in the top 4 this morning. Easy to say that I know, and every team suffers with injuries, but I think we've been hard done by in that area so far.Yes, I agree that the point would be used against Ole if we got knocked out early.
He has done well to navigate certain aspects, but lets also be honest, we should have picked up at least another 9 points this season.
I think so too, just when players hit form they get injured. Most teams have injuries and alot of teams have injuries to fringe players.I agree, and I think with slightly better luck with injuries we would be in the top 4 this morning. Easy to say that I know, and every team suffers with injuries, but I think we've been hard done by in that area so far.
Don't say this out loud!Maguire is our only real core player to escape from injury this season.
Hmm possibly but theoretically both Williams and Dalot are offensive players. Both had poor games last night. AWB did show some glimpses against Chelesea however. Worth persisting in this system. Too bad Rashford is injured.Shaw was the third central defender, but was definitely the one given the license to push up. I don’t have a problem with it, I really don’t like it when we play three actual centre backs, not many teams do that anymore.
Not convinced any of our wing backs are attacking enough to play the system effectively though.
Yeah it was pretty much Maguire & Lindelof with Matic screening. Risky given that both the central defenders lack pace. A fit and firing Bailly could come in handy. Worth persisting with this system for a while longer.It’s basically a 3/4/3, when defending, it becomes 5/3/2 sort of, and when attacking, we become 2/5/3.
Bruno is making the 3 become 1/2 most of the time and it’s providing more options on the ball. The idea is that we attack with full backs or wing backs very high, we will defend a high line, and we will commit 8 players to attack. However we will risk exposing our half spaces behind the wing backs.
Some rain alright. Brugge is a proper old school European club. Felt like the swinging 90s again. Would have preferred a win but with that line up a draw is just about good enough.I was originally working while catching bits of the match earlier, but I've just watched the full match now and I have to say we were alright considering the crap pitch and weather.
Ole isn't the person who takes an entire window just to negotiate with 1 Player.Solskjaer has been at the club for three transfer windows. He has to take his share of responsibility for the state of the squad and the resulting team selections.
Did you feel the same about the 1st leg v Anderlecht that ended 1-1 in 2017?Watching them struggle last night against the mighty Brugges was an insult to our club, its history and its millions of fans.
The responsibility for the dreadful state of the squad does not entirely lie with him, of course. Woodward and Mourinho must also share some portion of the blame.Ole isn't the person who takes an entire window just to negotiate with 1 Player.
It was a tie the second game is next week at home. Job done no further injuries, nil nil gets us through.Getting a 1-1 result in a knockout game in the Europa League.
Mourinho's squad got us 2nd place.The responsibility for the dreadful state of the squad does not entirely lie with him, of course. Woodward and Mourinho must also share some portion of the blame.
See this ALL THE TIME.Redcafe: Why’s he over using Rashford and getting him injured. Our injury record is shocking. Sack him!
Also Redcafe: WHY’S HE NOT PLAYING HIS STRONGEST SIDE AGAIN, NO BACKBONE OLE, NO CONFIDENCE OLE, NO BALLS OLE, SACK HIM, WE’RE CRAP, NO DESIRE!
Played Chelsea 2 Days ago. Playing Watford again in 2 Days.
3 Games in 7 days & some of you want the exact same team to be played every game and then have the audacity to be hypocrites when complaining about injuries.
You're missing one thing though. If that squad was OK, then why was Mourinho 7th in December? I think Jose has a way of antagonizing the squad that doesn't work anymore. It doesn't mean the other managers are not strict, but there are differences. And the choice of having Lukaku in this role up there while asking him to do a Zlatan type of job was the biggest mistake for me.Mourinho's squad got us 2nd place.
You have 2 options:
1, Jose's squad was terrible, but Jose was some sort of World Class genius to get them to 2nd place
2, Jose's squad was actually "okay", not great, but "okay" and Jose did an "okay" job to get us 2nd. But Ole, has taken Jose's "okay" squad and gone backwards, taking us to 7th place in the league, which is where we currently are.
Which is it?
Regarding Woodward - I do agree, he is underperforming big time and should be thankful to have a job.
As a DoF, he is terrible. Nobody would argue otherwise.
On the commercial side - he is no genius (which is what some people on here suggest).
He is actually pretty bad at all his jobs. It doesn't take a genius to sell sponsorship for one of the biggest brand names in World football. This is quite easy to do. The big brand name sells itself. Now, if Woodward were to sell sponsorship deals for say Rotherham Utd - that will be one heck of a job to achieve sponsorship sales.
[An analogy would be for a phone salesman who sells the Apple Iphone. It won't require "selling". People will queue up to buy this item. On the other hand, to sell a phone brand which nobody has ever heard of - this will require a lot of sales work to persuade the customer to buy the phone].
I don't disagree with any of your Woodward assessment.Mourinho's squad got us 2nd place.
You have 2 options:
1, Jose's squad was terrible, but Jose was some sort of World Class genius to get them to 2nd place
2, Jose's squad was actually "okay", not great, but "okay" and Jose did an "okay" job to get us 2nd. But Ole, has taken Jose's "okay" squad and gone backwards, taking us to 7th place in the league, which is where we currently are.
Which is it?
Regarding Woodward - I do agree, he is underperforming big time and should be thankful to have a job.
As a DoF, he is terrible. Nobody would argue otherwise.
On the commercial side - he is no genius (which is what some people on here suggest).
He is actually pretty bad at all his jobs. It doesn't take a genius to sell sponsorship for one of the biggest brand names in World football. This is quite easy to do. The big brand name sells itself. Now, if Woodward were to sell sponsorship deals for say Rotherham Utd - that will be one heck of a job to achieve sponsorship sales.
[An analogy would be for a phone salesman who sells the Apple Iphone. It won't require "selling". People will queue up to buy this item. On the other hand, to sell a phone brand which nobody has ever heard of - this will require a lot of sales work to persuade the customer to buy the phone].
And yet we will most likely have the last laugh when we go through. Who cares?Sad day when flemish media was making fun of our club.
General feeling was that Club Brugge was the better team and they should have won 2-0.
3 more months
Did you feel the same about the 1st leg v Anderlecht that ended 1-1 in 2017?
Struggles happen and even under Ferguson United had to take European exits on the chin to the mighty Galatasaray,Rotor Volgograd, Athletic Bilbao, Basel to name but a few.
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