[Sarni]

I was at the game and said it to the guy next to me there’s a winner in us. Just felt different I think , under Amorim I think there would have been a mass exodus

We would have just tried to play it out for a draw under Amorim.

 

[Sandikan]

Shirley you can't be serious?

Probably more serious than the poster thinking it a player who doesn't even play for Fulham.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Totally agree, once Casemiro was off we weren't able apply enough pressure in the areas between the halfway line and our box. I think Mainoo and Bruno just don't have the speed/stamina to get there later in the game and Ugarte runs about like a headless chicken and gets played around.

I don't really know what the solution is just now, as we just don't seem to have suitable midfielders to bring on (or arguably start for some games), and if we were to bring the defensive line up to condense the space, Maguire and Martinez would be exposed with anything over the top. They've been largely excellent sitting a bit deeper so I wouldn't want to be dropping them for the youngsters.

Fulham were pretty solid, so will be interesting to see how we approach the Tottenham and West Ham games, both have had some decent results in their recent games so I don't expect we'll find them easy either.

I think inverting a fullback into midfield might help. Meaning we utilse a 3-3-4 attacking shape rather than a 3-2-5

 

[RuudTom83]

I felt Dorgu was missed.

United's midfield issue is a hard one to fix when the pieces you have are Casemiro, Mainoo and Ugarte...Bruno being back in the attack simplifies things. But Dorgu does bring that physicality and energy, which really helps the CM pairing.

But it was a great way to win a match...bring on Spurs and West Ham which will be a quick turnaround Sat then Tue.

 

[Zed 101]

Clear penalty? The defender touched the ball..

Only after he had gone through the player

 

[Stig]

Win

We scraped over the line.

Carrick needs to learn that you can't have a one-size-fits-all approach.

What works against City/Arsenal, won't necessarily work against Fulham.

Sesko should have started upfront, as a few of us pointed out pre-match - Carrick had to make a decision on Amad/Mbeumo.

Three points and, hopefully, a lesson learned.

Win 3 in a row.
Criticise the manger.

 

[justsomebloke]

We scraped over the line.

Carrick needs to learn that you can't have a one-size-fits-all approach.

What works against City/Arsenal, won't necessarily work against Fulham.

Sesko should have started upfront, as a few of us pointed out pre-match - Carrick had to make a decision on Amad/Mbeumo.

Three points and, hopefully, a lesson learned.

Except we didn't play like we did against Arsenal and City, did we. Much more patient in the build-up, less willing to take quick breaks.

 

[El-Manos]

Delighted with the result but our evident flaws are still there . We definitely still lack control in midfield. Next week will be a tough game you would imagine

 

[UTD_Since_1978]

3 wins out of 3 for Carrick.

I noticed that no one predicted a 3-2 win in the score predictions thing on here.

 

[Isotope]

I felt Dorgu was missed.

United's midfield issue is a hard one to fix when the pieces you have are Casemiro, Mainoo and Ugarte...Bruno being back in the attack simplifies things. But Dorgu does bring that physicality and energy, which really helps the CM pairing.

But it was a great way to win a match...bring on Spurs and West Ham which will be a quick turnaround Sat then Tue.

On a few times, I noticed that when Bruno had the ball, he was instinctively looking to his left for Dorgu (to charge forward) and found none. Missing Dorgu is limiting the counter options.

 

[Lennon7]

Hoping Dorgu can make it back sooner. 10 weeks seems absurd for a hammy - perhaps early/mid March

 

[JediSith]

3 in a row. Fantastic win. Didn’t watch the match. But goals looked good, Lammens is fast becoming a top quality keeper.

 

[Bastian]

Saw that pen again. He stops twice in the run up. Incredible that that was allowed

 

[TheRedHearted]

Silva covering his mouth when he went to carrick. What do we think?
Did he call him lucky?

 

[DSG]

I felt Dorgu was missed.

United's midfield issue is a hard one to fix when the pieces you have are Casemiro, Mainoo and Ugarte...Bruno being back in the attack simplifies things. But Dorgu does bring that physicality and energy, which really helps the CM pairing.

But it was a great way to win a match...bring on Spurs and West Ham which will be a quick turnaround Sat then Tue.

Really? With Cunha scoring and playing a really good game? The attack is different, but you could argue Cunha is the right call against mid and lower table teams who are more likely to sit back. I know Dorgu is injured…

 

[Anustart89]

Totally agree, once Casemiro was off we weren't able apply enough pressure in the areas between the halfway line and our box. I think Mainoo and Bruno just don't have the speed/stamina to get there later in the game and Ugarte runs about like a headless chicken and gets played around.

I don't really know what the solution is just now, as we just don't seem to have suitable midfielders to bring on (or arguably start for some games), and if we were to bring the defensive line up to condense the space, Maguire and Martinez would be exposed with anything over the top. They've been largely excellent sitting a bit deeper so I wouldn't want to be dropping them for the youngsters.

Fulham were pretty solid, so will be interesting to see how we approach the Tottenham and West Ham games, both have had some decent results in their recent games so I don't expect we'll find them easy either.

I’d rather try pushing Martinez into the central midfield position than keep trying with Ugarte.

He was great there during that second half cameo against whoever it was when he had just come back into the side and I think there’s a big enough body of evidence on the lack of control we have when Ugarte replaces Casemiro to try something else. He will add progressive passing, calmness and positioning to the central midfield position and we won’t lose as much by putting Heaven (or de Ligt) into defence if Martinez is successful there.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

Silva covering his mouth when he went to carrick. What do we think?
Did he call him lucky?

He said he had an interview with INEOS just now.

 

[poleglass red]

Silva covering his mouth when he went to carrick. What do we think?
Did he call him lucky?

he said don't mind me ,I had a kebab with extra garlic sauce pre match, my breath is rank. Good game by the way, all the best.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

He said he had an interview with INEOS just now.

Too early for interviews, he was probably just asking about the hiring manager.

 

[stepic]

Really? With Cunha scoring and playing a really good game? The attack is different, but you could argue Cunha is the right call against mid and lower table teams who are more likely to sit back. I know Dorgu is injured…

I’d be considering Dorgu as either LB or RB if you want to get both him and Cunha in the team against teams that will sit back.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Silva covering his mouth when he went to carrick. What do we think?
Did he call him lucky?

“Your place or mine?”

 

[TheRedHearted]

He said he had an interview with INEOS just now.

and then he said, Idk why they are wasting my time when they have you oh well

he said don't mind me ,I had a kebab with extra garlic sauce pre match, my breath is rank. Good game by the way, all the best.

Spot on

“Your place or mine?”

Oh i knew these wouldn’t disappoint

 

[HankHill]

Win

Win 3 in a row.
Criticise the manger.

He's doing an excellent job, that doesn't mean he is beyond criticism. This isn't a cult.

 

[NLunited]

You clearly dreamt that. I was blatant rather about the fact out best performances in 2 seasons running regardless of system have been vs the best teams, which is always about us being compact and hitting them in transition. Absolutely nothing to do with the formation.


They ARE pointless caveats. Because we were in particularly worse form than this Liverpool we beat this season, when we beat City away, knocked Arsenal out of the cup away, plus got draws against al 3 whilst struggling vs everyone else just LAST season.

Us playing well vs or beating a top side with this squad has been more regular than a long run of convincing wins vs small sides in over 2.5 seasons bar Pool hitting us for 7. It has nothing what so ever to do with formation.

Which is why trying to to co relate both the City & Arsenal wins to beating a side like Fulham is straight up folly. Neither of those sides remotely posed the problems Fulham gave us.

I‘m going to go with Sarni on this one. We played Cheaty off the park in Carrick‘s first game, we haven‘t done anything close to that under Amorim.

Although your general point about us often performing against big sides is valid.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Although your general point about us often performing against big sides is valid.

This is the ONLY part of your post that's valid. Beating big teams with good performances is not a novelty for this squad, over at least 3 managers. Which is why Carrick himself said Fulham was the true test. He was 100% right

 

[soralapio]

We scraped over the line.

Carrick needs to learn that you can't have a one-size-fits-all approach.

Did you even watch the game? We didn't play against Fulham at all like we played against Arsenal or City. And as far as scraping over the line goes, we had the game well in hand until they got a penalty and then scored a worldie. It happens, but importantly the team didn't give up or hang their heads, they pushed and got the win.

I don't see how this is a game or result for rending your garments. Good result against a good, very much in-form side.

 

[NLunited]

A goal can't be harshly disallowed if two players were offside in the process.

I had not seen the second player who was offside, you are correct. They only showed the first player in the broadcast.

 

[NLunited]

This is the ONLY part of your post that's valid. Beating big teams with good performances is not a novelty for this squad, over at least 3 managers. Which is why Carrick himself said Fulham was the true test. He was 100% right

Nope the performance against Cheaty was incredible. We haven‘t done anything like that under Amorim.

 

[Wolfbot]

Saw that pen again. He stops twice in the run up. Incredible that that was allowed

It's allowed as long as they don't stop right before the ball is kicked.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Show me a single post where I said Amorim was doing an amazing job and you might have a point.

Maybe just enjoy the results instead of getting worked up about some Internet history where I said I thought our squad wasn't top 6 standard. I'm really gutted I might be proved wrong.

Do you now admit he’s one of the worst PL mangers ever?

 

[tjb]

Some obvious gaps in this game, but there continued to be positives and clear patterns.

We obviously had a pressing issue (+ Fulham were quite good at getting through). A combination of Casemiro's lack of pace mixed with Mainoo not being able to cover that gap meant that once the intial press was beaten, we were easy to transition against, especially as our full backs stayed wide. That's a gap that will continue to be exploited for the rest of the season. I'm ok with it. Why? Because its better to go into games taking that risk, where most teams aren't as good as this Fulham team passing through this. In the big games, we can do what we did against City and Arsenal. We don't really have a choice until we replace Casemiro and get a competition for Mainoo.

Outside of this, I though we were very good in the low block, Lammens was really good and our attackers continued to show how good they are. We have clear build up and attacking patterns which work. Despite struggling with midfield duels, on the ball , we still looked good. In a weird way, we also don't need a striker anymore. Sesko rotating with one of Cunha/Mbuemo can really work, as they also can play in other positions. In the summer, I might still look for a left winger, who can compete with Cunha, focusing all our money on midfield outside of that.

Obviously, this period, we are assessing Carrick, as well as looking at other managers. He has to prove that he can minimize these gaps until the end of the season and adapt to our realities in midfield. Outside of him, Marco Silva gave a good account of himself on Sunday and showed how well his team can play. Iraola also did the same against Villa. So we just have to wait and see, but that's what this is, an assessment period for everyone (plus CL qualification)

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Nope the performance against Cheaty was incredible. We haven‘t done anything like that under Amorim.

Not the point. I swear this isn't rocket science.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

He doesn't pinch the ball enough with his foot and the ground. Usually that's the best way to cushion a pass. Instead, I think he tries to cushion the ball completely with his foot and not use the ground at all. This, IMO, is causing the heavy touches. I hope our coaches can address this.

Are you genuinely saying that a Brazilian international footballer doesn't understand how to control a football?!

Agree that he had some heavy touches, but I very much doubt that it's a technique issue.

 

[gerdm07]

Are you genuinely saying that a Brazilian international footballer doesn't understand how to control a football?!

Agree that he had some heavy touches, but I very much doubt that it's a technique issue.

That's what I've noticed. Watch closely the next match.

 

[lex talionis]

Did you even watch the game? We didn't play against Fulham at all like we played against Arsenal or City. And as far as scraping over the line goes, we had the game well in hand until they got a penalty and then scored a worldie. It happens, but importantly the team didn't give up or hang their heads, they pushed and got the win.

I don't see how this is a game or result for rending your garments. Good result against a good, very much in-form side.

Everything in bold is a true statement.

For a bit more context, we did in fact have the game in hand until we subbed off Casemiro. We were defending deep, which is what most clubs do when they have a 2-0 in the 80th minute but a rash challenge by Maguire gave Fulham new belief. And we sat back even deeper, which resulted in the space for the wordlie. But despite the score being 2-2 we kept pushing and got the match winner we worked hard, and intelligently, for.

A good result against a good, in-form side. No astrophysics degree required to work that one out.

 

[UTD_Since_1978]

Saw that pen again. He stops twice in the run up. Incredible that that was allowed

Once upon a time that wouldn't have been allowed unless someone can correct me on that.

 

[NLunited]

Once upon a time that wouldn't have been allowed unless someone can correct me on that.

I thought any complete stop in the run up was not allowed.

 

[Anustart89]

I thought any complete stop in the run up was not allowed.

I’ve educated myself on the subject since the Jimenez pen and there’s no mention of stopping during the run-up (or even moving backwards).

Illegal feinting seems to be limited to feinting a shot/stopping once you’ve arrived to the ball and anything up until that point seems like it’s allowed. I’m pretty sure that it used to be that you have to be moving forward at all times but I can’t find any reference to it in the laws of the game.

 

[Isotope]

I’ve educated myself on the subject since the Jimenez pen and there’s no mention of stopping during the run-up (or even moving backwards).

Illegal feinting seems to be limited to feinting a shot/stopping once you’ve arrived to the ball and anything up until that point seems like it’s allowed. I’m pretty sure that it used to be that you have to be moving forward at all times but I can’t find any reference to it in the laws of the game.

So the player can do a monkey dance during the run up also? It doesn't say on the rule that they can't.

 

[Anustart89]

So the player can do a monkey dance during the run up also? It doesn't say on the rule that they can't.

I’m guessing the ref can book a player for taking the piss like that under the unsportsmanlike conduct rule but it probably wouldn’t be classed as ’illegal feinting’ that means yellow card and indirect free kick to the defending team.