Love Lukaku.I don't know if this has been posted or not yet, but here's Lukaku's post match comments to BT Sport...
I have to say... I really like this guy.
Love Lukaku.I don't know if this has been posted or not yet, but here's Lukaku's post match comments to BT Sport...
I have to say... I really like this guy.
He's showing it on the pitch as well, not just words. A very good attitude, one we seem to sorely need.I don't know if this has been posted or not yet, but here's Lukaku's post match comments to BT Sport...
I have to say... I really like this guy.
You can tell he has the passion we need when he celebrates his teammates scoring goals. I wish that kinda passion was contagious.He's showing it on the pitch as well, not just words. A very good attitude, one we seem to sorely need.
Most important thing to learn for Mourinho. 170 minutes of football eventually they will find a way to score if you sit back and let them control the game in your half.Invite teams on to you and eventually you get found out. Absolutely embarrassing and Jose is a coward, all that attacking talent at the club and you force them to play like that. He should be ashamed
I work in an office full of women who don’t know the first thing about football, giving me stick over the result. Literally the first thing that happened when I walked in this morning was one of them said “time to change teams, I know what you Man Utd fans are like hur hur”. It’s crazy how people who don’t even follow football still hate us. I would have thought that being shite for four years would have mellowed some people out but apparently not!The day after United get knocked out of Europe should be a Holliday in England. More people celebrate it than Christmas.
There is definitely something up. Pogba's dip seems to have evolved with the arrival of Sanchez, who in fact started quite well but quickly faded. Very strange as both of them are extremely talented but are unable to transfer this onto the pitch when it matters. Up to Jose to sort it out though, they are our most talented players in my opinion and should be leading by example, especially in games like last night. We want domination from them not this 'I don't give a feck attitude'.Are those two in a sulk. If they are they need to be told to get over themselves. There are plenty of footballers who dislike each other, but they still go on the pitch and perform as a team.
Yeah, pretty much this. That was the worst I've felt since he took over. Deflating and depressing. He knows that was an abysmal performance considering the circumstances, no matter what he says, he's not stupid. I'm starting to wonder whether some of the players are beginning to lose faith in him, which would be rather serious. The thing is, the attack-minded element of the team is there...I really think it is, you could kind of see that after we went 2-0 down (and the first 5 or so minutes!), which obviously leads one to conclude that the shite show is all down to him.Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Was a watershed moment for me too. We've been a bit shit a few times on the road but generally been pretty good at home. The exception being playing the very best teams in the PL and I don't mind if we're still a level below those teams and need to be pragmatic against them until Mourinho has the last few pieces in his jigsaw puzzle. Whoever they may be.
Last night was a new low, though. Sevilla posed almost no threat, over both legs. For some weird reason their manager dropped their only player capable of being a goal threat and replaced him with some lad who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. They have a decent record at home so the first leg didn't bother me too much but they're fairly shit on the road and concede a tonne of goals. The fact we created so little against them over three hours of football is horrific and brings me right back to the one or two shots on goal per game that broke me under Van Gaal.
We can blame the players all we want (and most of them deserve all the stick they get) but ultimately, the team is the embodiment of the manager on the pitch and everything about last night, from the team selection, to the tactics, the sheer lack of desire to get forward and hurt the opposition crystallised all my worst fears about supporting a team manager by Mourinho. Honestly starting to wonder how much more of this I can put up with. I hate the managerial merry-go-round as much as the next man (and more than a lot of posters on redcafe) but wouldn't be all that upset if Mourinho got the hook tomorrow.
Would have to concur, even though i thought we would have it tough. Just the manner of the result, given that we were at home. I can understand the tactics away from home or at home against good teams.Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Was a watershed moment for me too. We've been a bit shit a few times on the road but generally been pretty good at home. The exception being playing the very best teams in the PL and I don't mind if we're still a level below those teams and need to be pragmatic against them until Mourinho has the last few pieces in his jigsaw puzzle. Whoever they may be.
Last night was a new low, though. Sevilla posed almost no threat, over both legs. For some weird reason their manager dropped their only player capable of being a goal threat and replaced him with some lad who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. They have a decent record at home so the first leg didn't bother me too much but they're fairly shit on the road and concede a tonne of goals. The fact we created so little against them over three hours of football is horrific and brings me right back to the one or two shots on goal per game that broke me under Van Gaal.
We can blame the players all we want (and most of them deserve all the stick they get) but ultimately, the team is the embodiment of the manager on the pitch and everything about last night, from the team selection, to the tactics, the sheer lack of desire to get forward and hurt the opposition crystallised all my worst fears about supporting a team manager by Mourinho. Honestly starting to wonder how much more of this I can put up with. I hate the managerial merry-go-round as much as the next man (and more than a lot of posters on redcafe) but wouldn't be all that upset if Mourinho got the hook tomorrow.
He said in his press conference before the game that this team is not ready, but said if you get to the last eight something might go in your favour. Your theory is not stupid, but I hope that is not what he did.I just posted this elsewhere but it would be better suited for here:
I have a conspiracy theory about last night. Bear with me.
I reckon that Jose didn't actually care if we progressed last night as he knew we aren't good enough to beat a City, Real etc over two legs.
He had done his job by getting us through the group stage. He also wanted one game a week from now on to guarantee top 4 finish.
He has been told countless times by Ed and the suits that CL qualification is everything. I don't like this theory but it's obvious to me. He simply didn't look arsed about being knocked out.
Oh, he looked arsed. I've never seen a United manager make for the exit so fast at the final whistle.I just posted this elsewhere but it would be better suited for here:
I have a conspiracy theory about last night. Bear with me.
I reckon that Jose didn't actually care if we progressed last night as he knew we aren't good enough to beat a City, Real etc over two legs.
He had done his job by getting us through the group stage. He also wanted one game a week from now on to guarantee top 4 finish.
He has been told countless times by Ed and the suits that CL qualification is everything. I don't like this theory but it's obvious to me. He simply didn't look arsed about being knocked out.
Haven't felt so angry since LVG. It's okay losing, it's part of football but the approach to both games was shocking, we had absolutely no intention of scoring a goal in 170 minutes of football against fecking Sevilla.A day past and anyone still feeling hurt and disappointed by the exit? I know i still am now, and it may take a while till we beat Brighton out of the FA Cup
I don't buy that, but the reasoning about not having the quality to beat the really top teams is very true, and probably why i'm not as angry as some of the people on here.I just posted this elsewhere but it would be better suited for here:
I have a conspiracy theory about last night. Bear with me.
I reckon that Jose didn't actually care if we progressed last night as he knew we aren't good enough to beat a City, Real etc over two legs.
He had done his job by getting us through the group stage. He also wanted one game a week from now on to guarantee top 4 finish.
He has been told countless times by Ed and the suits that CL qualification is everything. I don't like this theory but it's obvious to me. He simply didn't look arsed about being knocked out.
The only reason I can deal with it fairly comfortably, is that we'd had some ugly ties against the real elite later on.A day past and anyone still feeling hurt and disappointed by the exit? I know i still am now, and it may take a while till we beat Brighton out of the FA Cup
I am still angry thinking about it. It will hurt even more when we have to watch the draw on Friday and see what could've been. What's the point of qualifying for the CL if that's how we're going to play in a knockout match? I'd rather not qualify at all if this is the approach we're going to take. Very difficult result to accept when you've spent as much as we have to go out to the 5th best team in Spain. I'm super deflated right now. The season is ruined and to be honest I just want the season to end now and see what happens in the summer. With transfers and all that. Only then will I regain my optimism for the future.A day past and anyone still feeling hurt and disappointed by the exit? I know i still am now, and it may take a while till we beat Brighton out of the FA Cup
If that is true he should be sacked immediatley.I just posted this elsewhere but it would be better suited for here:
I have a conspiracy theory about last night. Bear with me.
I reckon that Jose didn't actually care if we progressed last night as he knew we aren't good enough to beat a City, Real etc over two legs.
He had done his job by getting us through the group stage. He also wanted one game a week from now on to guarantee top 4 finish.
He has been told countless times by Ed and the suits that CL qualification is everything. I don't like this theory but it's obvious to me. He simply didn't look arsed about being knocked out.
Seen this sort of thing quite a bit and while you could be right, I don't see the point in hiding from a thrashing.I don't buy that, but the reasoning about not having the quality to beat the really top teams is very true, and probably why i'm not as angry as some of the people on here.
Don't get me wrong, I would have loved a huge tie in the next round, but in reality, it wouldn't have been pretty. Not quite that horrific display Moyes put in at home v Bayern, reminiscent of a non league cup v a Premier club, but not great.
He has some big work to do in the summer. Namely, and not limited to
- Getting Pogba and Sanchez performing at their proper level
- Working out who out of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez plays where
- Upgrading the full backs
- Giving Matic and Pogba the right support in the centre
Probably a couple of signings, and shipping out Shaw, Fellaini, Carrick, and maybe Herrera too.
We've played some very good football under Mourinho too, and some of his teams in the past have been exquisite in their attacking prowess. Nobody can say that Deco, Robben, Duff, Drogba, Ozil, Di Maria, Ronaldo, Benzema, Willian, Oscar, Hazard, Costa were dull to watch. Saying Mourinho always plays "this way" (dull football) is a long misproven fallacy. He plays more solid when he needs to, like you say we won the Europa League last season.Mourinho has been playing this way for far too long to claim it wasn't his his intention. He started with Fellaini and was more than happy to let Sevilla have the ball, just as he is against any half-decent opposition. Likewise, it wasn't until we went behind that he felt the need to make the double change. If he genuinely wanted to play on the front foot he would've made those changes much earlier.
I thought that game was very reminiscent of some of the dour Europa League grinds last season (minus the good fortune) which were wilfully ignored at the time. I don't know if he thinks winning that competition vindicates his conservative style of play, but we won't get very far playing that way in the Champions League, as evidenced tonight.
Well we ticked that box last night. Job done.Seen this sort of thing quite a bit and while you could be right, I don't see the point in hiding from a thrashing.
Its better to get it out of the way and let it highlight where the improvments need to be made, make the adjustments over the summer and see where it takes us next season.
There is every chance we'd have made a game of it, like that time everyone was convinced Real would smash us under Fergie, and we were actually winning until that ref got involved v Nani.Seen this sort of thing quite a bit and while you could be right, I don't see the point in hiding from a thrashing.
Its better to get it out of the way and let it highlight where the improvments need to be made, make the adjustments over the summer and see where it takes us next season.
Not a chance. For all the things you could criticise Jose for, he’s not one to shirk a challenge.I just posted this elsewhere but it would be better suited for here:
I have a conspiracy theory about last night. Bear with me.
I reckon that Jose didn't actually care if we progressed last night as he knew we aren't good enough to beat a City, Real etc over two legs.
He had done his job by getting us through the group stage. He also wanted one game a week from now on to guarantee top 4 finish.
He has been told countless times by Ed and the suits that CL qualification is everything. I don't like this theory but it's obvious to me. He simply didn't look arsed about being knocked out.
Exactly. Sevilla had 3 men in the big and I think United had 5/6. They majorly fecked up.That second goal conceded by United was just like Spurs last week in regards to the shite reaction in the Champions League. United lost their concentration and were shocked, couldn't refocus in time and got punched in the mouth after getting punched in the gut. Looking back again, the first Sevilla goal I don't mind because it was good play by Sevilla after United lost possession. But the defending for the corner was horseshit. Three guys didn't bother to defend/attack/pressure the near post ball. Completely switched off.
The Huddersfield game has damaged us, but there were other games to rectify it. Last night was the end of the road for us in the CL. Serves us right for sniggering at Spurs.People who are calling this a new low under Mou: what about that Huddersfield match? Worse opposition and worse performance. That for me sits alongside the Van Gaal Bournemouth away match as the two most deflating post-Ferguson.
I don't think that was worse. Even at our very best under Fergie we were quite capable of being beaten by a relegation contender if we had an off day and they played out of their skin. Especially away from home. Which is what happened against Huddersfield. In isolation, there wasn't anything worrying about that game.People who are calling this a new low under Mou: what about that Huddersfield match? Worse opposition and worse performance. That for me sits alongside the Van Gaal Bournemouth away match as the two most deflating post-Ferguson.
I've no problem with sniggering at Spurs. I can think of at least one Spurs fan on here who badly needed taking down a peg or two. The sniggering was great fun for this reason alone and our result last night has no bearing on that, one way or another.The Huddersfield game has damaged us, but there were other games to rectify it. Last night was the end of the road for us in the CL. Serves us right for sniggering at Spurs.
They should do now, there's no reason not too, but when the ruling was first brought in they didn't go to extra time, and it was still another 20 odds years before penalty shoot-outs were introduced, so it was fairer than the alternative of going out of the competition on the toss of a coin, or drawing of lots.I agree. I’ve said for some number of years now that they should scrap it. I don’t believe in the “my draw/loss is better than your draw/loss” thinking in the away goals rule. The result, not score, is all that should matter. If the aggregate score is tied you should play extra time and penalties.
Danny Makkelie