FA Premier League

Man Utd 2:1 West Ham Post-match discussion

Sat, 13 April 2019

Paul Pogba image Man of the Match Paul Pogba
5.1 Total Average Rating
Paul Pogba image 6.6 Highest Rated Player Paul Pogba
Jesse Lingard image 3.3 Lowest Rated Player Jesse Lingard
  1. Apr 13, 2019

    Andersons Dietician Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2016
    Messages:
    8,928
    Supports:
    Supports good football
    Bilic absolutely killing it on PL Tonight. Been great and agree with most of what he has said.
  2. Apr 13, 2019

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,554
    The difference is that under Mourinho, Pogba wouldn’t be here, Fellaini, Matic would have been in midfield, Lukaku up front and we would have been beaten just as we did at their place
  3. Apr 13, 2019

    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    21,631
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Agreed.
  4. Apr 13, 2019

    Morpheus 7 Full Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2014
    Messages:
    2,666
    Location:
    Ireland
    He's put in good crosses in other games but I can't think of one great delivery today. Rom was awful today and rightly subbed.
  5. Apr 13, 2019

    Camy89 Love Island obsessive

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2016
    Messages:
    4,516
    Location:
    Glasgow
    We should have been beaten tonight. You think we would have played better?
  6. Apr 13, 2019

    AndyJ1985 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2016
    Messages:
    8,954
    Mourinho and Ole may not be the same type of managers, but we also can't say Ole is a better manager than Mourinho can we? I'm totally with you on the players being at fault, I personally think the majority of our players are utter dog shit and not fit for purpose. But I can't reasonably say that Ole is blameless either.
  7. Apr 13, 2019

    Djemba-Djemba Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2007
    Messages:
    12,294
    Location:
    Manchester
    As awful as we were.

    That really could be a huge 3 points.

    Must be demoralising for the top 4 rivals to see us play that shit and still somehow win.
  8. Apr 13, 2019

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,554
    Under Mou we wouldn’t have won! I’m convinced.

    You can improve from winning games when you know you might have got away with it. You can’t when you’re already beaten before you step on the pitch! Under Mou it was the latter
  9. Apr 13, 2019

    Mr PG New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2014
    Messages:
    691
    Fatigue from the Barca game 2 days ago is why.
  10. Apr 13, 2019

    wub1234 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2018
    Messages:
    485
    Supports:
    Don't support a team
    Look on the bright side...if you don't want Liverpool to win the league then there is no hope of United stopping City!
  11. Apr 13, 2019

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,554
    Check Liverpool in their last few games! All of a sudden that’s character,desire and passion. Ignoring the good fortune
  12. Apr 13, 2019

    Mr PG New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2014
    Messages:
    691
    We need to rest players against Barcelona to have any chance of overturning Everton
  13. Apr 13, 2019

    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    21,554
    That’s what Utd is about though. UCL, PL etc.

    The squad isn’t deep enough
  14. Apr 13, 2019

    mattunited1978 Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2017
    Messages:
    304
    When Martials bad, he's absolutely atrocious. Today and watford he's looked like a sunday league player. Lingard and Mata nearly as bad.
  15. Apr 13, 2019

    dwd Saturday Night Spies

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    9,829
    Location:
    Under soil heating.
    We’ve been an absolute disgrace at home this season.
  16. Apr 13, 2019

    United Hobbit Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2019
    Messages:
    530
    I'd be very interested to know what the players were saying to each other when they were gathered in that huddle after Pogba's 2nd penalty
  17. Apr 13, 2019

    Reddy Rederson New Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2018
    Messages:
    3,809
    Location:
    Unicorn Country.
    You’re argument is that it would have been a different set of shit players so we should be thankful?
  18. Apr 13, 2019

    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    21,631
    Location:
    South Carolina
    He put good balls in. There was just nobody in the box hunting them.
  19. Apr 13, 2019

    purgethefallen New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2019
    Messages:
    506
    Location:
    Basingstoke
    Supports:
    Basingstoke Bison Ice Hockey
    Well, what can you say?

    Ole obviously needed to rotate some of the players after Barca, but with the squad we have it's resulted in this. Too many players just strolling around (that's you Martial and Pogba), Dalot showing why Young, of all people, is still first choice right back, Mata and especially Lingard invisible, Rojo just not good enough, strikers just standing still waiting for the ball instead of going to it. No wonder Ole looked pi55ed at the end. This squad needs major surgery.

    DDG - 5
    Dalot (RB) - 3, LB - 5
    Smalling - 6
    Jones - 5.5
    Rojo - 3
    Fred - 7
    Pogba - 5 (just for the two pens)
    Mata - 3
    Lingard - 2
    Lukaku - 5
    Martial - 4

    Rashford - 6.5
  20. Apr 13, 2019

    Murder on Zidane's Floor You'd better not kill Giroud

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    4,353
    I've been hammered before and told I have a vendetta against him because I believe he's so average.
  21. Apr 13, 2019

    Andersons Dietician Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2016
    Messages:
    8,928
    Supports:
    Supports good football
    Must see things very differently then as I thought he was pretty decent. Easily 1 of our best players today but again not really saying much.
  22. Apr 13, 2019

    Morpheus 7 Full Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2014
    Messages:
    2,666
    Location:
    Ireland
    Really interesting how we all see the game differently. We'll agree to disagree on this one man.
  23. Apr 13, 2019

    Andersons Dietician Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2016
    Messages:
    8,928
    Supports:
    Supports good football
    The thing that bugged me today the most and in most games because it seems to be a recurring issue and that’s the desiscions and the speed we make them at. Space will open and a player is moving and for some reason it seems to take an age for the player with the ball to play the pass and by the time they do the opportunity is gone. Or just choosing the wrong option like Mata today. I just don’t see how we can have such talented players and they keep making poor desicion after poor decision.

    Some of this has to come down to what is happening in training surely. I just think a lot of work needs to be done on what our players need to be doing when they don’t have the ball. You watch any top team and the movement is deliberate and planned. We just don’t seem to know where or what we should be doing a long with players taking liberties with the ball.
  24. Apr 13, 2019

    Andersons Dietician Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2016
    Messages:
    8,928
    Supports:
    Supports good football
    Maybe because I was a striker so he gets in the strikers Union of protection :lol:
  25. Apr 13, 2019

    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2011
    Messages:
    67,313
    Location:
    Barrow In Furness
    The worry is that yes he might get them fitter, be able to run faster and for longer, but you cannot always make a players brain work quicker.
  26. Apr 13, 2019

    JonDahl Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2009
    Messages:
    6,231
    ...What?

    That's the first time I've said that.
  27. Apr 13, 2019

    Ban Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2015
    Messages:
    23,823
    Location:
    Zagreb, HR
    I didn't mean you, it's been said every week.
  28. Apr 13, 2019

    Eddy_JukeZ Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2012
    Messages:
    9,814
    We'll start dropping points if our performances don't pick up.

    That was awful.

    Might be one of the worst seasons of performances at Old Trafford I've seen.
  29. Apr 13, 2019

    Andersons Dietician Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2016
    Messages:
    8,928
    Supports:
    Supports good football
    True but a lot of what these top teams do is just pattern recognition. Maybe we train this sort of thing a lot and players just don’t take it on but there are scenarios where we have a 3rd runner going and pass doesn’t go to them or other times people just standing still not offering or creating space. Fred today was great at offering himself up or creating passing lanes or offering himself but again players not giving him the ball or not recognising he was in a great position to keep play moving or do damage.

    Just think this aspect really needs to improve drastically.
  30. Apr 13, 2019

    Rob67 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    894
    Haha. No problem. Just absolutely pissed off with this.
  31. Apr 13, 2019

    Devil may care Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    31,438
    If you can't be good be lucky as the saying goes, but the way we are playing I cannot see us getting enough points from the 5 remaining games to finish above Spurs or Chelsea, we look so lost in attack and were generally sloppy all over the pitch today.
  32. Apr 13, 2019

    bucky Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2011
    Messages:
    8,040
  33. Apr 13, 2019

    OldSchoolManc Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,217
    Well, I have a positive? The players will be completely fresh for the next game...
  34. Apr 13, 2019

    Cpt Negative Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,051
    They’re not good balls if there’s no one in the box. Should be waiting for them to get in or laying it off
  35. Apr 13, 2019

    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2005
    Messages:
    20,368
    Couldn't care less about the performance tbh, I've seen Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea fluke wins all season and yet all I read on here is how crap we are, it was only a couple of weeks ago Chelsea were needed an offside goal to completely change a game that were massively second best in against sure to be relegated Cardiff

    Only thing that matters is the 3 points
  36. Apr 13, 2019

    abdo99 Full Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2016
    Messages:
    11,545
    Let's just get to the end of the season with top 4. We're just sleepwalking to the end and at this point I'm only excited to see the rebuilding job that will take place for the summer.
  37. Apr 13, 2019

    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    21,631
    Location:
    South Carolina
    That’s not what I said though. There were people in the box. They just weren’t doing anything.
  38. Apr 13, 2019

    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    32,599
    It was a shockingly shit game from us.
  39. Apr 13, 2019

    MrBest Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,096
    Agreed. We wont win the champions league, we are no where near good enough. All efforts need to go towards getting 4th, mass buying and shifting the the dross players we have. That will not happen if we do not get 4th.
  40. Apr 13, 2019

    SadlerMUFC Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2017
    Messages:
    1,934
    Location:
    Niagara Falls, Canada
    We didn't play great but I don't think West Ham were any better. We created more chances but couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I'm also trying to figure out how we can blame Young for their goal because he has to be at fault some how. Or I suppose we could just blame Jones as he seems to be a scapegoat whenever he plays too. But whatever you do, don't blame De Gea as he gets a free pass every game. So I suppose we should just blame Rojo as he had his back turned to Anderson the entire time. In the end, I will take the 3 points. Next...