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Sat, 01 February 2020

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You need other people to tell you why Ole is shit? Isn't it obvious?

Let me keep it simple for you... He is not good at anything. Good enough reason for you?
Who could possibly argue with the depth and detail of this analysis. Thanks for summing everything up
 

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Stick Aguero in our team and we’d be doing a hell of a lot better in the league!
 

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Wow a whole thread of football geniuses saying Ole is shit without saying why. :lol:
Worst ever start in the PL. On course for worst ever points total. Won 9 games from 30. 13 points worse off than last season when we were apparently dreadful and the manager had to go.

"You can't tell me why he's bad".

:lol:
 

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Maguire is beginning to look good, AWB can defend, but not attack, going against the United mould of FB and James looks like he has been found out and should be an impact sub. So jury still out. They didn't want Fernandes and now decide to buy him.
More like as he good as he'll ever look. All too often slow and cumbersome he belongs in a team aspiring to reach fifth or fourth place in the league at best, which of course also highlights the sad irony, being that United is exactly the right place for him to be playing.
 

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Stick Aguero in our team and we’d be doing a hell of a lot better in the league!
Aguero is a poacher to me who will feed on scraps. Even if the goalie makes a save there is a chance he will still score. We have missed that type of player.
 

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I think this reflects where we are currently. All this Ole in and out shite is a bit too playground for my liking. As ever, it’s far more nuanced than a lot of the posts lately are making it out to be. I’d love it if people thought first before posting “we’re shite” or “worst club in the league “, “pub team”, “banter FC” etc. It’s all hyperbolic nonsense.

As you say above, we are currently down to the bare bones. There are all sorts of reasons/excuses for that which may or may not be Ole’s fault. It’s probably a combination of things. Who the feck knows? What I do know is that Poch, Ole, Klopp or whoever would struggle to change things up with the bench we’ve currently got. Greenwood was carrying a knock from the last game and nobody else is really good enough (or they’d probably have started). It just smacks of rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic at the moment.

I hope that Rashford, McT, Pogba....even Matic and Tuanzebe are back soon to bolster the ranks as we need that extra drive and quality in there. We miss them badly. I’m sure that’ll make a big difference. Until then we’ve got to ride this out.

One thing I would say is that the media (e.g. dicks like Redknapp and others) are desperate to regurgitate that message that we are shite, worst United team ever, awful, unable to break down a deep lying defensive team (despite the fact that most teams struggle with that...particularly when they don’t have an out and out striker on the pitch, just like we don’t at the moment.) Don’t buy into it. They want to kick us while we’re struggling to get any consistency and paint us as crap. We should close ranks to a large degree, this season at least.

Anyway, tldr aside, we need to see how “clueless” Ole is when everyone is back fit and firing. Until then, we are going to be treading water without proper reinforcements. We certainly aren’t shite though and that shouldn’t be coming from our own fans in my view.
Hear, hear.
 

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Training ground? We haven’t had a proper training session for months. My opinion he has done a top job motivating. Players have given their all. And I’m pretty sure after seeing how Ole reacted to Lingard they have intructions. The thing managers usually say, get it together or you won’t play. Can’t do that, can he? Ffs, we are so skin we are actually missing Matic.
I am interested in your first comment about not having a proper training session.

Is this a fact and if so why has there been no such training session
The reason I ask is that it does not look like we are a we coached and well drilled side.
Completely different to Wolverhampton who are the definition of a well drilled team.
 

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I am interested in your first comment about not having a proper training session.

Is this a fact and if so why has there been no such training session
The reason I ask is that it does not look like we are a we coached and well drilled side.
Completely different to Wolverhampton who are the definition of a well drilled team.
You say well drilled, which is true for me in the sense that they have a very good defensive shape which makes them hard to beat. They are very good on the break but take Jimenez and Traore out of that team and they ain’t all that......Jimenez would be brilliant at United in my view. We are crying out for a striker to occupy centre backs.
 
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You say well drilled, which is true for me in the sense that they have a very good defensive shape which makes them hard to beat. They are very good on the break but take Jimenez and Traore our of that team and they ain’t all that......Jimenez would be brilliant at United in my view. We are crying out for a striker to occupy centre backs.
This is a major major issue with Martial, to me he looks so easy to play against and contain. It's night and day comparing him and Jimenez in that regard.
 

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You say well drilled, which is true for me in the sense that they have a very good defensive shape which makes them hard to beat. They are very good on the break but take Jimenez and Traore our of that team and they ain’t all that......Jimenez would be brilliant at United in my view. We are crying out for a striker to occupy centre backs.
Yes. Totally agree. Jimenez is exactly the type of forward you need to make a defensive counter attacking tactic work.
He holds the ball so well and brings in other players running at speed.

Completely the oposite of Martial.
 

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I think this reflects where we are currently. All this Ole in and out shite is a bit too playground for my liking. As ever, it’s far more nuanced than a lot of the posts lately are making it out to be. I’d love it if people thought first before posting “we’re shite” or “worst club in the league “, “pub team”, “banter FC” etc. It’s all hyperbolic nonsense.

As you say above, we are currently down to the bare bones. There are all sorts of reasons/excuses for that which may or may not be Ole’s fault. It’s probably a combination of things. Who the feck knows? What I do know is that Poch, Ole, Klopp or whoever would struggle to change things up with the bench we’ve currently got. Greenwood was carrying a knock from the last game and nobody else is really good enough (or they’d probably have started). It just smacks of rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic at the moment.

I hope that Rashford, McT, Pogba....even Matic and Tuanzebe are back soon to bolster the ranks as we need that extra drive and quality in there. We miss them badly. I’m sure that’ll make a big difference. Until then we’ve got to ride this out.

One thing I would say is that the media (e.g. dicks like Redknapp and others) are desperate to regurgitate that message that we are shite, worst United team ever, awful, unable to break down a deep lying defensive team (despite the fact that most teams struggle with that...particularly when they don’t have an out and out striker on the pitch, just like we don’t at the moment.) Don’t buy into it. They want to kick us while we’re struggling to get any consistency and paint us as crap. We should close ranks to a large degree, this season at least.

Anyway, tldr aside, we need to see how “clueless” Ole is when everyone is back fit and firing. Until then, we are going to be treading water without proper reinforcements. We certainly aren’t shite though and that shouldn’t be coming from our own fans in my view.
Well said mate, great post.
 

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More like as he good as he'll ever look. All too often slow and cumbersome he belongs in a team aspiring to reach fifth or fourth place in the league at best, which of course also highlights the sad irony, being that United is exactly the right place for him to be playing.
I’m staggered by your negativity Maguire is beginning to look like a real leader on the pitch he may not be a Rio or a Vidic but he is a vast improvement on who we have had since then .
AWB is still learning his trade but is already looking like our best right back since Gary Neville .Dan James just looks exhausted he has had to play far too many games because of the horrendous run of injuries we have had

Pogba our “world class” player has missed virtually all season so far

mctominay our best midfielder up to his injury been injured for weeks

martial one of our only 2 regular attackers missing for weeks with injury

Rashford our only consistent goal threat out injured for months
With such a thin squad it is a minor miracle we are 6th!!

After the break with Pogba and mctominay back and Bruno settled in we will be far stronger
 

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Who could possibly argue with the depth and detail of this analysis. Thanks for summing everything up
It's really getting a bit Brexit in here. Some people have cast their vote as Ole out, and now seem desperate to prove they were right by ignoring anything that goes against their stance.

It's really sad to see a club legend treated like this. No room at all for nuance, patience or balance.
 

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I’m staggered by your negativity Maguire is beginning to look like a real leader on the pitch he may not be a Rio or a Vidic but he is a vast improvement on who we have had since then .
AWB is still learning his trade but is already looking like our best right back since Gary Neville .Dan James just looks exhausted he has had to play far too many games because of the horrendous run of injuries we have had

Pogba our “world class” player has missed virtually all season so far

mctominay our best midfielder up to his injury been injured for weeks

martial one of our only 2 regular attackers missing for weeks with injury

Rashford our only consistent goal threat out injured for months
With such a thin squad it is a minor miracle we are 6th!!

After the break with Pogba and mctominay back and Bruno settled in we will be far stronger
I agree.

If we can get our full squad available for a couple of months then I'm quite sure the results will improve. If they don't, then it would be much more fair to judge that Ole isn't up to the job. Until then, just support him ffs. Give him a fair crack at the job. No one has really had that since SAF left and we would never have experienced the fruits of his genius if the impatient crowd had got rid of him after a year or two.
 

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I think if Sancho wants to return to Manchester and play for the biggest club in the world, then we stand a good shot.
That's the only thing we have going for us. Do you even realise how much you sound like a Liverpool fan from the 30 years?
 

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Completely different to Wolverhampton who are the definition of a well drilled team.
The few teams who look well drilled and defensively solid have had the same coach for a few years. They've had the same bones of a team for years. We dont particularly have either. Matic and Lindelof are probably two of the more senior players by being here 3 years.
I dont really get the credit Wolves have been given for this match. Or Traore for that matter
 

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You need other people to tell you why Ole is shit? Isn't it obvious?

Let me keep it simple for you... He is not good at anything. Good enough reason for you?
  • No it isn’t obvious to anybody but agitated Ole haters
  • “He isn’t good at anything” is a stupid statement. He’s pretty good at a whole bunch of things and he’s certainly better than you and most posters here at everything that is related to managing a club
  • Try less cursing and more logic next time
 

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Man alive, that’s not a bad starting point is it?
Add Kompany in as well.

And then realise they still outspent us even when we had to bring Pogba and Lukaku in whereas Pep inherited 4 players who are still their best a few years on.
 

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Or, stick Pogba, Rashford and McT in our team and we’d be doing a hell of a lot better in the league.
Yep, exactly!

What the last few months have done however, in my opinion, is tell Ole who has the mentality and the stamina to be relied upon going forward when the going gets tough (which it has done with several big players out).
 

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You say well drilled, which is true for me in the sense that they have a very good defensive shape which makes them hard to beat. They are very good on the break but take Jimenez and Traore our of that team and they ain’t all that......Jimenez would be brilliant at United in my view. We are crying out for a striker to occupy centre backs.

We could never have beaten Citeh the way we did with Lukaku as CF but, Jeez, we could use him on days like yesterday.
 

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Add Kompany in as well.

And then realise they still outspent us even when we had to bring Pogba and Lukaku in whereas Pep inherited 4 players who are still their best a few years on.
Yeah, all true. Now look at the disjointed, aging, probably not good enough squad that Ole inherited. Is it any wonder he’s struggled to get a tune out of it and that we are (currently) so far off Shitteh and the dippers...!?
 

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I agree.

If we can get our full squad available for a couple of months then I'm quite sure the results will improve. If they don't, then it would be much more fair to judge that Ole isn't up to the job. Until then, just support him ffs. Give him a fair crack at the job. No one has really had that since SAF left and we would never have experienced the fruits of his genius if the impatient crowd had got rid of him after a year or two.
Saf would never have had a crack at the job if we didn't fire Ron Atkinson.
 

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Big Ron had run out of ideas. He had a lot of good players but many had become regulars without much competition for places. We had seen some great performances. SAF arrived as Ron’s squad began to fail and age. Old favourites were in decline and others were in the serious drinking club. The club was a mess in so many other ways too. All combined it was a torrid five years before that night in Rotterdam when we actually looked a serious football team. Then Eric arrived and the rest is history.

Ole is not bereft of ideas but he’s trying SAF type policies which suit a well run outfit - presently we are a disjointed club. Almost every aspect of the club is a loose thread: transfer policy doesn’t meet needs, players don’t fit tactics, pressers don’’t reflect games, expectations do not match capability. The outcome is chaos, whether from a draw against Wolves or victory over the Bitters or defeat to Burnley. Statistically this is represented by average level points through the season but actual performances are skewed towards the poor end of the scale and literally no one knows what team will turn up on match day - good, bad or different.

This situation is not new, but I fear Ole is trying to turn back the clock to a place that no longer exists. We don’t have the players and the board no longer has the confidence or the will of the past. Yesterday reflected all of these problems - especially the players who often performed pretty poorly through the game. If this was another club a draw would have been treated as a decent result but MUFC is not any old club. A managerial change will only add to the problems as will panic last minute loans. The club badly needs some oversight management to start pulling the threads back together. In my opinion, yesterday shouted out our need for a director of football and a comprehensive overhaul of our football strategy.
 

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Big Ron got like 4 season though. That I'd call a fair chance.
I think it's only at United that a fair chance is 4 or 6 years. It's not like that any other top club in the world. We had Saf for 26 years and in 20 of them we were incredibly succesfull. It's never going to happen again.

We are going to continue in being left behind if we stick with bang average managers. Moyes got a 6 year contract. I'm sure he had a vision, but he wasnt allowed more time because our results were terrible. Ole's results are even more terrible. You have earn time by visible improvement and merit by past achievements.

Klopp was excatly ideal for Liverpool because he proved that he could turn a midtable Dortmund into one the best in the world without spending loads of money. SAF work with Aberdeen was world class.

We have nothing to go by with Ole. Our results this season are dreadfull and I don't think being a winner of the norwegian league is much of a qualification to manage Man UTd.
 

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I think it's only at United that a fair chance is 4 or 6 years. It's not like that any other top club in the world. We had Saf for 26 years and in 20 of them we were incredibly succesfull. It's never going to happen again.

We are going to continue in being left behind if we stick with bang average managers. Moyes got a 6 year contract. I'm sure he had a vision, but he wasnt allowed more time because our results were terrible. Ole's results are even more terrible. You have earn time by visible improvement and merit by past achievements.

Klopp was excatly ideal for Liverpool because he proved that he could turn a midtable Dortmund into one the best in the world without spending loads of money. SAF work with Aberdeen was world class.

We have nothing to go by with Ole. Our results this season are dreadfull and I don't think being a winner of the norwegian league is much of a qualification to manage Man UTd.
Do you not see how bad our squad was when Ole took over? How many do you miss from Fellaini, Herrera, Sanchez, Darmian, Lukaku, Smalling, Valencia, Young and Rojo? We'd only brought in 2 players plus a cheap kid from the championship until last week, how the hell is Ole supposed to get a tune out of the youngest playing squad in the league, with an obvious lack of talent and a string of key injuries? Comparing the situation he inherited, with that of Moyes is a joke.

The squad needed a major rebuild and to do that, on the limited budget the Glazers were prepared to let go of, required sales before purchases. To lower the wage bill and shift the players who have clearly proven not good enough under successive 'successful' managers.

Under our board, Klopp would have been labelled a failure after his first season and he would not have been allowed the expensive purchases he required to get to the next level.

For me and many others here, it's not set that we want Ole for 4 or 6 years at all. I think you're making that bit up. What we do want, now that he has the job, is to see what he can achieve with a properly balanced and talented squad. We are probably now only 3/4 good signings away from achieving that so hopefully we can get those in the summer and then he gets until christmas time next year to prove if he is good enough to stay.

Having said all that, if Pochettino had won a few trophies before, or there was another obviously outstanding candidate willing to come here, then I'd be quite happy with that too. I'm not taking a dogmatic support Ole at all costs approach. But having watched the obvious mistakes of each of our last 4 managers when they've come in(yes, Ole included) I feel that as much as possible, we need some managerial stability while the squad is rebuilt.
 

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I think this reflects where we are currently. All this Ole in and out shite is a bit too playground for my liking. As ever, it’s far more nuanced than a lot of the posts lately are making it out to be. I’d love it if people thought first before posting “we’re shite” or “worst club in the league “, “pub team”, “banter FC” etc. It’s all hyperbolic nonsense.

As you say above, we are currently down to the bare bones. There are all sorts of reasons/excuses for that which may or may not be Ole’s fault. It’s probably a combination of things. Who the feck knows? What I do know is that Poch, Ole, Klopp or whoever would struggle to change things up with the bench we’ve currently got. Greenwood was carrying a knock from the last game and nobody else is really good enough (or they’d probably have started). It just smacks of rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic at the moment.

I hope that Rashford, McT, Pogba....even Matic and Tuanzebe are back soon to bolster the ranks as we need that extra drive and quality in there. We miss them badly. I’m sure that’ll make a big difference. Until then we’ve got to ride this out.

One thing I would say is that the media (e.g. dicks like Redknapp and others) are desperate to regurgitate that message that we are shite, worst United team ever, awful, unable to break down a deep lying defensive team (despite the fact that most teams struggle with that...particularly when they don’t have an out and out striker on the pitch, just like we don’t at the moment.) Don’t buy into it. They want to kick us while we’re struggling to get any consistency and paint us as crap. We should close ranks to a large degree, this season at least.

Anyway, tldr aside, we need to see how “clueless” Ole is when everyone is back fit and firing. Until then, we are going to be treading water without proper reinforcements. We certainly aren’t shite though and that shouldn’t be coming from our own fans in my view.
Well said.
I don't know what some people expect.
The media are doing what they always do. Ratchet up the negativity, then when the manager is sacked, bleat about how they weren't given time, or were treated badly by 'big bad United.' Rinse and repeat.
Let Ole play a 1st eleven and add some quality in the summer, before writing him off.

I would like to see some evidence of better coaching though.
I think his staff was an emergency assembly, that needs improving now.
 

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Keep seeing this - we got 5 points from our first 4 games with everyone fit at the start of the season and you could argue a lot of these injuries are players being played when injured or being run into the ground. That's not luck, it's bad judgement.
Yeah I hate to say it but Ole should have rested Pogba & Rashford when these injuries occured,maybe then we would have both of them available right now
 

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I agree.

If we can get our full squad available for a couple of months then I'm quite sure the results will improve. If they don't, then it would be much more fair to judge that Ole isn't up to the job. Until then, just support him ffs. Give him a fair crack at the job. No one has really had that since SAF left and we would never have experienced the fruits of his genius if the impatient crowd had got rid of him after a year or two.
Solskjaer will never be as good as Fergie. Let's take this notion off the table right now. Compare their career pre Manchester United and its night and day. Compare their character and its night and day.

Ole had a lot of players at his disposal last season and look at the results and performances after that initial bounce. I'm fact I'd say only about 3 or 4 pf the games in the winning run were actually good performances. I agree with Ole when he said that we rode our luck a lot.

In my opinion, we have all the proof we need now about how good Ole the manager is. And let's just say he wasn't some hidden gem that had been overlooked all these years. He was a guy that found his level in Norway then got handed a managerial winning lottery ticket by us.
 

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Do you not see how bad our squad was when Ole took over? How many do you miss from Fellaini, Herrera, Sanchez, Darmian, Lukaku, Smalling, Valencia, Young and Rojo? We'd only brought in 2 players plus a cheap kid from the championship until last week, how the hell is Ole supposed to get a tune out of the youngest playing squad in the league, with an obvious lack of talent and a string of key injuries? Comparing the situation he inherited, with that of Moyes is a joke.
If I was the manager, not a supporter, then Fellaini, Herrera, Lukaku and Smalling would still be here, simply because we haven't yet signed replacements and I rated Smalling better than Jones, Bailly etc.
 

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Martial is hopeless without Rashford. His occasional flash of brilliance trapping the ball at the front means nothing to the team. I would rather start MvG upfront than him any given matchday.
 

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Ole can blamed for stuff like making 2 subs at the 87th min in a must win game. He cannot be blamed for certain things but there are more enough things that he's responsible for
Who did he have to bring on? Messi and Ronaldo werent sitting on the bench.
 

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It seemed to me, Bruno started off trying to get things going right off the bat and no one was getting into good positions, but he kept after it. After about 20 minutes, we started freeing things up. I saw a lot more almost happening than some more negative posts here. The second half, it kind of went away. However, I give a lot more credit to Wolves for having watched them play the last couple of years than a lot of others seem to give them just because "they're Wolves." Nuno has built an outstanding defense and they have second most draws in the league right now.

Keep in mind Bruno had one single day to train with the squad before the game. They don't have a feel for him, he doesn't have a feel for them. Let's see what they can do with two weeks and no games. We'll be much healthier if nothing else. Ighalo joins, Matic is back.
 

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