Ffs. I'm disappointed too but it's the Champions league, away from home on an artificial pitch. This crowd won the Swiss league by 31 points. And we had a man less for most of the match. How anyone who has watched us for the last 8 years can still come out with this shit baffles me.Ole is a coward! Tactics were dreadful. We should've destroyed this team without 1 player comfortly...
No more excuses for Ole and this team, and games like this are only for taking 3 points. What baffles me is his tactics vs feckin Young Boys, and 0 shots after that red.Ffs. I'm disappointed too but it's the Champions league, away from home on an artificial pitch. This crowd won the Swiss league by 31 points. And we had a man less for most of the match. How anyone who has watched us for the last 8 years can still come out with this shit baffles me.
It left Fred on his own , and it lead to unnecessary pressure .No it wasn't. It gave us firm control of our box, and cut off their ability to exploit the space between the full backs and the CBs. It only really slipped once, but that was enough. If we were going to play deep, it was the right thing to do, in my opinion.
But they are. In the champions league level they're at the bottom of the pit.Disappointing but YB are not cannon fodder. A draw with 10 men would have been decent and we lost to a disastrous piece of play. Not to say that it was not a shitty night - we were proper awful at times and some of the subs were way off but I also think we should still be positive. Long way to go in the group - I'm sure we'll recover and we're top of the league.
That happens when your coaching staff won't challenge the managerReally disappointing how easily and quickly we went into full panic mode after the sending off, the same fragile mentality that has dogged the clubs for years now.
With the players we have we should have coped better , but we could not string a pass together or hold on to the ball for any length of time and defended poorly , just kept inviting pressure onto us until eventually we cracked , they also missed a few good opportunities.
Puts us on the back foot already in this supposedly easy group.
Hopefully this is the kick in the ass they need to see that we need to actually control the midfield and not just stick 6 attackers together and hope they eventually run riot. We’ve been conceding chances to beat the band since the season started. Lucky to win against Wolves. We could have lost to Southampton on another day we could have won. The takeaway is we never had control of the games. They were always in danger of being snatched away from us. I can’t wait to go back to the boring McFred combo so we can set a secure platform for the rest of the players to have a go. Sick of watching teams waltz through usMeh down to 10 men, always going to be hard but it was just compounded by our inability to keep possesion of the ball and that we only seem to have one way of playing which is direct.
If we were a properly good team, we would have just maintained possesion and not let them anywhere near the ball. We just don’t have the ability to do that with 11 men never mind 10 so it is what it is. Poor errors, poor red card and questionable substitutions made.
Good post. Even if United had hung on for the draw, it was still a tactical shit show.Not sure if you watched the second half but what actually happened is we went to a back 3, and then got our arses completely handed to us with crosses coming freely into the box whenever Young Boys felt like it.
I don't understand how there is any logic in this iin the scenario of being a man down,, since teams who play 3 centrebacks aren't particularly better at not conceding goals when put under pressure as opposed to teams who don't, but that's kind of besides the point, as the point is that it would, very obviously, put us under more pressure.
When you are a man down, and set up with a back four, changing it to a back 5 means you are then two men down, outside of your defence, which means your defence is under much more pressure unless you change the entire system and tactics, at which point whether there are two or three centrebacks is probably not going to matter much since the whole team will be back anyway, desperately clearing the balll over and over.
There's no point trying to deploy some kind of clever tactic (that ignores the fact players aren't actually pieces on a chess board) if it means you can't even do the simple things like keep the ball away from your own penalty area.
If he did want to bring on an extra defender, then subbing off VDB or Fred was a definite "don't do this" move, as Pogba and Fernandes are not midfielders or possession players, they are attacking players who disappear into a void if you aren't set up to attack, and you can't play with 10 men and with one fecking midfielder and one forward, and expect to do anything other than hopelessly cling on. Maybe you do it for 5 minutes at the end when the players are knackered. Not for an entire bloody half.
If he had to do it he could have taken off Pogba or Fernandes at that point rather than have two players effectively doing nothing, and if he didn't want to take either off he shouldn't have brought the extra defender on and rendered them both pointless.
We can go on about hindsight but there's a common theme with Ole of watching the game and being able to see the mistakes he's making before or as they end up costing us. It is, for example, why this thread exists.
It's not. We lost Istanbul because we left players unmarked and Ole/Maguire didn't correct it in an empty stadium. Players werent where they should be, like Shaw in the oppo box for set pieces, VDB always running forward when he shouldn't, etc.Ronaldo should slap Ole, AWB and Lingard. What the feck was that?
Its like Istanbul Basaksehir all over again. FFS
Glad we lost!? Give your head a wobble.Glad we lost. Should be a reality check to all concerned. Gutless tactic and subs. One good game 2 bad is our current rhythm.
We certainly didn’t deserve to win. We didn’t even deserve the draw by the end. It was a skin of the teeth robbery style draw against a team we were 1/5 to beat. A reality check. I’d rather we learned something than snaked a draw. They deserved the win. They were far braver than us.It's not. We lost Istanbul because we left players unmarked and Ole/Maguire didn't correct it in an empty stadium. Players werent where they should be, like Shaw in the oppo box for set pieces, VDB always running forward when he shouldn't, etc.
Today we lost because of two brain farts.
Glad we lost!? Give your head a wobble.
Wanting the deserving team to win is what a neutral wants.We certainly didn’t deserve to win. We didn’t even deserve the draw by the end. It was a skin of the teeth robbery style draw against a team we were 1/5 to beat. A reality check. I’d rather we learned something than snaked a draw. They deserved the win. They were far braver than us.
Of all the examples. He literally had half this team. On the pitch tonight: DDG, Dalot, Lindelof, Shaw, Matic, Fred, Pogba.Conte, Ancelotti, Mourinho and Rafa would absolutely destroy teams with this squad.
Actually, going to a back 3 was smart. Young Boys generated most of their chances from the wings in the early going. After AWB went off, we played a 4-4-1 and They were deployed in a 4-3-3, with a natural advantage in midfield of 3v2. Going to a back 3 allows that third CB to step between the lines to defend that 3rd midfielder. Pressing further up the pitch in a 4-4-1 is madness because at that point the midfield advantage in space is very dangerous with 4 defenders.
The 5-3-1 actually worked pretty well. Shaw was in position to block the cross on the first goal but couldn’t close fast enough. He got a foot on it, but the bounce didn’t go our way. Before that, it was a lot of shots from distance… And by the way, VDB has terrible instincts in defending, you can see this around the 15min or so when he doesn’t step to take ball and forces Maguire to come out, which allowed a nice run into the box for YB.
I made this point in another post — sometimes we make the right decisions but a poor outcome. Criticize Ole for team preparedness, for footballing philosophy, fine. But to criticize him for his decisions in a very difficult situation where there may not be an easy answer is myopic.
I want us to tighten up and play with more aggression and control. We’ve been playing like cowboys for the last few games, it’s not sustainable. If we get pressed at all we crumble and get cut straight though. It’s all mouth and no trousers. It’s good to finally recognise and get punished for having a soft core. It’s good to know that forcing names into a lineup might work against a parked bus but it won’t win out against a decent aggressive confident and organised side. It’s better to figure this out early in the season and in a competition we can still easily qualify in than trying the exact same approach against West Ham and barely fluking a draw or taking a bad beating in the league. I’m a true fan I can assure you. For a long time too.Wanting the deserving team to win is what a neutral wants.
As a United fan I take robberies.
I disagree with us being undeserving. If you get a result playing with 10 for 60 mins, it's always deserved.
There's not much to learn from losing. We lost because of two brain farts, it's that simple. Now those brain farts aren't excuses as to why we didn't create more, but they are undeniably why we lost.
If we'd robbed the game, it's still gets analyzed and the same things will or won't be learned from it much the same if the result is a loss.
Anyway, if you want us to lose, you're not a real fan. Sounds childish but there's no two ways about it.
The formation was a disaster because you had one actual midfielder. Calling it a 5-3-1 is generous even; it'd be better described as 5-1-2-1.The 5-3-1 actually worked pretty well. Shaw was in position to block the cross on the first goal but couldn’t close fast enough.