Jibbs
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Sander Berge.
Too soon I think. He should go to some German team in the mould of Frankfurt, Gladbach... to help his development and take the next step. Players like Tielemans and De Bruyne dominated the Belgian league and even they struggled when they left the league.Sander Berge.
Pay them what they want and bring him in, would be a fantastic signing.Stop messing about and get Ndidi. Set him up as anchor and let the CM go to work. Leicester will force United to pay through their nose though.
De Bruyne didn't struggle reallyToo soon I think. He should go to some German team in the mould of Frankfurt, Gladbach... to help his development and take the next step. Players like Tielemans and De Bruyne dominated the Belgian league and even they struggled when they left the league.
He was twice the player Berge is at the moment too when he left Belgium.De Bruyne didn't struggle really
Would be the ideal candidate, but we can't keep giving Leicester truckloads for their players. Eventually they'll catch up to us monetarilyStop messing about and get Ndidi. Set him up as anchor and let the CM go to work. Leicester will force United to pay through their nose though.
Would be the ideal candidate, but we can't keep giving Leicester truckloads for their players. Eventually they'll catch up to us monetarily
But if you play 4-2-3-1 with an AM let's say Pogba instead of a 10, what will actually be the big difference from 4-3-3 ?I'm not sure he does prefer a 433. He played a 4231 af Molde and Cardiff.
We also had everyone fit at the start of the campaign and in pre season, and Ole opted for a 4231, so going forward I believe that's what he wants to play, which can be successful providing we have the right players.
Although i've heard rave reviews, Im not familiar with Tonali, but a deeplying playmaker is certainly what we need.
Ndidi made the step up from Genk and now is classed as the elite target for the role.Too soon I think. He should go to some German team in the mould of Frankfurt, Gladbach... to help his development and take the next step. Players like Tielemans and De Bruyne dominated the Belgian league and even they struggled when they left the league.
Well when we play a 433, we play with two number 8's with Pogba, more often that not, on the left side.But if you play 4-2-3-1 with an AM let's say Pogba instead of a 10, what will actually be the big difference from 4-3-3 ?
In the last two games I have seen Rashford dropping into midfield and plays long ball to fullbacks or James, so it will definitely not going to be 4-2-2-2Well when we play a 433, we play with two number 8's with Pogba, more often that not, on the left side.
In a 4231, Pogba would be situated right behind the forward, with Fred and McTominay directly behind him.
Pogba McTominay
Fred
Vs
Pogba
Fred McTominay
I would personally play a 4222 when Pogba gets back.
Rashford Martial
Pogba James
Fred McTominay
Shaw Maguire Lindelof Wan-Bissaka
De Gea
Thats not what I think we'll go with. I said its something I would do. That said, Rashford could still do drop in to midfield when playing as a striker.In the last two games I have seen Rashford dropping into midfield and plays long ball to fullbacks or James, so it will definitely not going to be 4-2-2-2
Not much at all. FM with all its different formations has fecked up these types of discussions. People weigh much more importance into it than they should not taking into account what those setups actually mean.But if you play 4-2-3-1 with an AM let's say Pogba instead of a 10, what will actually be the big difference from 4-3-3 ?
I really don't think things work that way. Besides, right now no player from there has a good reason to come here, apart from money.Pay them what they want and bring him in, would be a fantastic signing.
I was being flippant, obviously there's a lot more to signing a player than one club paying another club a fee.I really don't think things work that way. Besides, right now no player from there has a good reason to come here, apart from money.
He did go twice to Germany before he got the leading role in the PL..De Bruyne didn't struggle really
That is not struggling. He played well at Chelsea and had a falling out with Mourinho.He did go twice to Germany before he got the leading role in the PL..
McTominay is already the official Matic replacement.
However we don't have any depth in midfield so if he goes in January we have to bring in a no. 2 defensive midfielder.
I like the look of that.Teun Koopmeiners is a player we should look for. He isn't exactly a Matic replacement but he is a very good deep-lying playmaker, that is what we need. He is also a good penalty taker and free kicks taker.
A midfield like this:
Maddison
Koopmeiners - McTominay
would be very balanced as we would have a double pivot with a deep-lying playmaker and a box to box destroyer and then an advanced midfielder.
Nope - if we don't snap him up now, some other big club will and he will be gone.Too soon I think. He should go to some German team in the mould of Frankfurt, Gladbach... to help his development and take the next step. Players like Tielemans and De Bruyne dominated the Belgian league and even they struggled when they left the league.
I disagree with the idea of starting a kid who if anything has proved he isn't ready in the few bits of games he has had.Would be interested to see Garner on from the start, just too see how he performs during the game, not sure that Ole would give him a go, but a couple of injuries and he may have to, god forbid that Matic comes back in. Garner certainly looks the part, and he may blossom if given the chance, would need to rest him though after a few games, as he is still young, and do not want any injuries for him.
Does anyone know if Garner has suffered many injuries during his career?
He may not be, looking at the games he's played so far, but it is so different starting a game. The match v Astana away, or Alkmaar at home could be a chance to have a look at him, which may prove that you are right, or he surprises everyone.I disagree with the idea of starting a kid who if anything has proved he isn't ready in the few bits of games he has had.
This is exactly why we should be avoiding these 'late in their career' type of players like they had bubonic plague.Load of rumours of Rakitic again this morning....Not sure he would come here though as he'll want somewhere cosy for his last 3-4 years in the sport..
Oh apologies, for some reason I was thinking of the Sheffield game this weekend. Those dead-rubber Europa away games are probably what's best for Garner and even Tchong to prove their worth, so glad ole went full steam at home in our previous Europa game, giving us this opportunity to rest key players and assess where we are with some of the young crop.He may not be, looking at the games he's played so far, but it is so different starting a game. The match v Astana away, or Alkmaar at home could be a chance to have a look at him, which may prove that you are right, or he surprises everyone.
True but if he was happy coming, and we dont know what he wants to do at the moment granted we should be all over it. He's still a top player! Plus I think some added experience around our younger players would be good.This is exactly why we should be avoiding these 'late in their career' type of players like they had bubonic plague.
We already had this and we let it go on a free transfer.It's probably too early to call after a lot of 20 minutes cameos but it seems like we should have bought Praet for 18M instead of letting Leicester do it. He seems to be 2-footed, decent vision for a creative pass, is aggressive and we'd be able to rotate him, Fred and McTominay behind Pogba this year. 25 year old, in the Belgian team and has good experience in a big league. Very low floor for 18M.
He has made good progress this year. He is all over the place because he has the license and it's need of our midfield too.Someone like Ndidi would deliver but.....and yeah this is unintentionally baiting in the fan-club......we would still need to upgrade on McTominay. Scott currently plays a weird hybrid role of a CDM and a number 8, without committing fully to either. His efforts are admirable and he's doing a solid, professional job but a midfield with a CDM like Ndidi and a creative, flair #10 would need a more well-rounded number 8 in my opinion. We'd need someone with box to box qualities who is also technically very good and quite attack minded and Scott isn't that type of player.
In my eyes, Scott would be the ideal substitute midfielder.
Interesting. Haven't seen most of them play so now you gave me a side project.According to my calculations shown here in the 'Value?' and 'Out of 10' columns, the best 2 DMCs to buy now are Teun Koopmeiners and Krystian Bielik (from a value perspective). The best 2, from an absolute perpective, are Teun Koopmeiners and Thiago. Koopmeiners does so well because he scored a large number of goals from midfield. Anyhow Thiago, Arthur and Ndiddi aren't going to be available. So looking at the 'Out of 10' column I see Matheus Henrique scores 8. I'd buy Teun Koopmeiners and Matheus Henrique. This is confirmed by watching them play. Koopmeiners scores goals (no point arguing against that). Henrique is just a very good footballer. We lost 2 midfielders last season. Matic is almost gone. If McTominay replaced Matic we still need 2 more.
PS:
Players in light green background are those I think we can sign now. Players in white background are for comparison purposes.
'Out of 10' : is a measure of marks out of 10 based on the performance of the top DMC I can find, who is Teun Koopmeiners.
'Value?' : measures 'value in the market' based on the TransferMarkt price (column: '£ m (T-Mrkt)') and absolute quality 'Out of 10'.
There's no way that these values are even slightly correct. Ndidi would be minimum 80m as soon as we approached Leicester. Camavinga, as one of the hottest properties in France would be probably 3 times as much as he's listed. You can guarantee that Derby aren't going to let Bielek go for 5 million, or Leeds let Philips go for 10 million, both of whom have 5 years on their contracts. It's utter crap, good players though they might be.According to my calculations shown here in the 'Value?' and 'Out of 10' columns, the best 2 DMCs to buy now are Teun Koopmeiners and Krystian Bielik (from a value perspective). The best 2, from an absolute perpective, are Teun Koopmeiners and Thiago. Koopmeiners does so well because he scored a large number of goals from midfield. Anyhow Thiago, Arthur and Ndiddi aren't going to be available. So looking at the 'Out of 10' column I see Matheus Henrique scores 8. I'd buy Teun Koopmeiners and Matheus Henrique. This is confirmed by watching them play. Koopmeiners scores goals (no point arguing against that). Henrique is just a very good footballer. We lost 2 midfielders last season. Matic is almost gone. If McTominay replaced Matic we still need 2 more.
PS:
Players in light green background are those I think we can sign now. Players in white background are for comparison purposes.
'Out of 10' : is a measure of marks out of 10 based on the performance of the top DMC I can find, who is Teun Koopmeiners.
'Value?' : measures 'value in the market' based on the TransferMarkt price (column: '£ m (T-Mrkt)') and absolute quality 'Out of 10'.
Darker green background = very good stat.
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He has made good progress this year. He is all over the place because he has the license and it's need of our midfield too.
Him, Pogba or whoever as #10, and a destroyer/Battering Ram as the CDM - seems sorted.
I don't care. I can either use the TransferMarkt values or I can make my own up. TransferMarkt values are not 'utter crap'. In many cases, they're close to the price last paid for the player.There's no way that these values are even slightly correct. Ndidi would be minimum 80m as soon as we approached Leicester. Camavinga, as one of the hottest properties in France would be probably 3 times as much as he's listed. You can guarantee that Derby aren't going to let Bielek go for 5 million, or Leeds let Philips go for 10 million, both of whom have 5 years on their contracts. It's utter crap, good players though they might be.
I don't care. I can either use the TransferMarkt values or I can make my own up. TransferMarkt values are not 'utter crap'. In many cases, they're close to the price last paid for the player.
Anyhow, I aleady said Ndiddi, Arthur and Thiago are not going to be available. So the price for them is mute. That I included them only to compare with the other 6.
The question is what will the other 6, who are available, cost? 2 of them play in top leagues. The other 4 play at tier 2. The most ever paid for a player from Brazil is the €40m paid for Neymar. Henrique will go for between £20m and £30m. Probably to Barca. Koopmeiners, Bielik, Phillips, Camavinga will probably go for between £15m and £35m (tops). Roca for about £35m. Koopmeiners, Bielik, Phillips, Henrique, and Camavinga will be good value (if bought now) compared to the 3 established players in the list.