Sorry. Should have explained that better. I meant the modern Roy Keane - rather than that interviews, when it was more accepted - who goes around talking about how he’d punch people for letting in a goal and scream at them etc. when the dog in the street knows those days are gone. Mourinho is another who can’t figure this out.
Premier League: Cristiano Ronaldo interview (Warning! It's another Messi V Ronaldo thread)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
It all smacks of a bunch of players who have been coddled and enabled to do whatever the feck they want.
Even if Ronaldo isn't at his best, he knows best what it takes to improve and be the best player you can be.
Even if Ronaldo isn't at his best, he knows best what it takes to improve and be the best player you can be.
It's Greenwood, I bet he can't stand him.
The point I meant was, they were young and have become far worse now than they were before and have failed to mentally adapt or change.
The most alarming thing about this interview is most of what he talks about is clearly the fruits or spoils of Ole's tenure. Its obvious Ole cultivated a weak mindset and lowered standards and expectations well below the level of the club.
We have many threads about certain players not being up for it but reading between the lines from Ronaldo its a pervasive issue and is spread across the club for the most part.
We have many threads about certain players not being up for it but reading between the lines from Ronaldo its a pervasive issue and is spread across the club for the most part.
"we changed from Ole, to Carrick, to.. this... this new coach"
Ouch
Ouch
Seeing as theres a new Rashford leak about how Ole failed him as a coach it will be him aswell
When did the mentality change then?
Maybe when Moyes came in, alienated players like Rio and co. Who then kicked up a fuss (justifiably), with this rubbing off on the younger squad players at the time?
Maybe when Moyes came in, alienated players like Rio and co. Who then kicked up a fuss (justifiably), with this rubbing off on the younger squad players at the time?
He is now, but he's grown up to become mentally worse which is apparently clear over the last 3 to 4 years.
On one side, I bet Fergie would have dealt with these guys better, on the other, changing managers so much, probably does not help these kids, as each new manager will have a different mindset and vision, which for those needing that "Sir Alex magic" simply don't get,
About the time Martial launched his own label and had his number taken away from him. Around the time Pogba came back also.
Funny, that Lingard also launched his own label about a year later, same time his "media GF" dumped him.
Ah, you think it'll go down like a cup of cold sick with the modern player?
On that you probably have a point. Personally, I think that's a bad thing. However, I agree that its (sadly) unlikely to motivate the pampered princes we have in our dressing room.
Ronaldo, unlike Mourinho, probably does understand that. He refers to his own experience with his kids. I just think the frustration has got to him.
Interestingly Ronaldo voted for Mason to win the 2021 Trophee Kopa award. He clearly rates his ability. His attitude? As the man himself was once known for saying: Only God knows!
You could tell this was the case from how we kept bottling semi finals, finals and went to pieces as soon as we got to top spot in the league last season. There are serious questions over whether this team can do it when the pressure's on. They started the season under the expectation that they should compete for the title this year and a bunch of them got stage fright.
People blame Ronaldo for our bad performances but we were rubbish before he arrived, apart from the Leeds game. Southampton (A), Wolves (A) these were poor showings and not ones we can blame Ronaldo for. The team, collectively, wet the bed and wilted under the pressure of winning being a must have not a nice to have.
Mourinho has said it years ago and was crucified for it.
This time of the year, yes. Temperatures between 15 during the nights and mid 20s and sunny during the day.
Mourinho's own mentality was a big problem. Seeing your manager capitulate and melt down publically every time he gets outcoached couldn't have possibly been helpful.
Can't disagree with a word he's said. If you don't want to learn from the top goalscorer in football history, thats your responsibility.
No sit down interview with the club captain talking about standards then
What does player labels have to do with mentality?
Mourinho has called his last Chelsea, United, Spurs and now Roma teams weak. He just says that to make up for his inability to coach a modern team, it doesn't hold up at all.
"Harry, how would you compare United's title ambitions this year with Hull City's playoff campaign?"
He doesn't mention his performances at all.
Actions speak louder than words. Given how deplorable his all around play has generally been, I'm not sure what anyone is supposed to follow.
Is he going to teach them how to press?
This is an "attack the post not the poster" type of situation. He is past his prime but that does not mean everything he says is wrong.
Because he brought them in!
Ronaldo could be speaking truth or he could just be the old guy shouting at the sky. Each generation of footballer thinks the next generation are soft.
Mentality is one of those bullshitty enough - United had a good enough mentality to beat PSG and Man City twice in standalone games and to come from behind on several occasions while under Ole. In fact, up until this season, I'd say United players showed as much resilience as any other team.
Man City, by comparison under Guardiola, are actually poor when coming from behind. But the point is they rarely actually go behind, whereas United do. Because they have a world-class manager and recruitment that is built to have a settled team.
United will be set up with square pegs and round holes and the players will be trying their best and everyone will be shouting mentality is the reason they lost the game. And the players are completely confused. The reason United lost 5-0 to Liverpool was actually that they were too pumped up for the game and left gap after gap that Liverpool clinically exposed.
Man City, by comparison under Guardiola, are actually poor when coming from behind. But the point is they rarely actually go behind, whereas United do. Because they have a world-class manager and recruitment that is built to have a settled team.
United will be set up with square pegs and round holes and the players will be trying their best and everyone will be shouting mentality is the reason they lost the game. And the players are completely confused. The reason United lost 5-0 to Liverpool was actually that they were too pumped up for the game and left gap after gap that Liverpool clinically exposed.
Things Ronaldo is not:
1) Wrong.
2) Playing well enough for this rhetoric.
1) Wrong.
2) Playing well enough for this rhetoric.
He's an elite footballer with an elite mentality and work ethic.
But he's definitely not a leader and his selfishness is innate. He's not someone that can be a mentor
But he's definitely not a leader and his selfishness is innate. He's not someone that can be a mentor
I like Ronaldo but I don’t really give a feck about the interview to be honest, until things start improving on the pitch it doesn’t mean anything and anybody could come out with it..
City are a conundrum. Their 2018 team which broke every conceivable English top flight record seemed to freeze whenever they faced adversity. Anfield twice. Against United when United came back from 2 down. You can have great teams that aren't necessarily mentally strong and they'll win as long as that mentality isn't tested.
I think there's a difference between dominant teams like that and others that can excel in the big moments.
He should retire and go into management to show his players the way.
I knew this was coming, the real captain has spoken. Not absolute bluffers like Maguire. If you don't follow instructions of the manager or try to learn from CR7, leave. That simple. Ronaldo will be talked about in our history for all time. Some of the these fools will be forgot about in a year, they have achieved nothing and think they are better than they actually are.
A lot, when it causes them to lose focus on the job they are paid millions to do.
Martial launching a label based on his number only to have that number taken off him at the same time, was pretty much the end of him as a potential great footballer at United.
Never been the same since, aside from his brief flurry of goals after the lockdown restart.
Yeah I agree, and it's showed in the Champions League whenever a team has gone toe to toe with them. Basically I think it's easier to look like you've a "strong mentality" when you're just better at football and better coached. Stuart Pearce might have had a better "mentality" in adversity than Marcelo, but Marcelo was still much better at football. It doesn't matter if McTominay is one of Klopp's "mentality monsters" if Bernardo Silva and De Bruyne are running rings around him.
Ronaldo is playing well.
You can only do so much on your own.
Even Bruno, a great passer and creative player has been awful.
Ronaldo 8/10 given the ball is a huge threat and he is like 37.
Cavani aside (34/35) no one else looks as dangerous
If no one provides decent supply and crosses then Ronaldo isn't going to do much to score goals
There are always lessons to be learned from anybody if one is willing to be humble. Ronaldo hasn't been great for sure but that doesn't mean his advices mean feck all.
While that's not wrong, there's still different levels of mentality at play, and there's no doubt that City have the mentality to run a lot, sprint a lot, and work hard against the ball, in basically every game. Work ethic is part of mentality too, and the fact Pep's teams are "better at football" cannot be separated from a strong work ethic.
He is just saying the same thing that other players have come out and also said except because of nostalgia (this club clingsto the past) fans buy into when Ronaldo says it but not others...
Sounds to me like Ronaldo is just trying to throw others under the bus to protect his own reputation.
Sounds to me like Ronaldo is just trying to throw others under the bus to protect his own reputation.
As if his merchandise deals is his major problem. He was sublime for us for the first half of Mourinho's last full season, both him and Rashford when they were competing against each other, until we signed Sanchez and he became untouchable. He was also one of our best players in the following season, and the season after that, before it all went to complete shits in the 20/21 season.
How you've managed to conclude it's his label that's caused this is beyond me
That's true but it also means that the advice might not be as palatable as it would if it comes from some exemplifying what he's saying.
You're rewriting history because Martial played much better after that whole number fiasco (granted after he got it back) so there are other reasons as to why he hasn't worked for us as well we'd hope.
He's playing like shite. Airshots, missed chances. Bad touches that turn into "assists". And don't blame others for his shitty play, half your best signings under Fergie stood out in bad teams, which is why they ended up at Old Trafford. Including Keane, who stood out in a relegated Nottingham Forest team.