Premier League table since Ole took over

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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Liverpool
    P17 W12 D4 L1 F40 A13 GD +27 = 40 points
    Manchester City
    P16 W13 D0 L3 F38 A12 GD +26 = 39 points
    Manchester United
    P16 W12 D2 L2 F34 A15 GD +19 = 38 points
    Arsenal
    P16 W10 D2 L4 F28 A17 GD +11 = 32 points
    Chelsea
    P17 W9 D2 L6 F21 A22 GD -1 = 29 points
    Spurs
    P16 W9 D1 L6 F31 A18 GD +13 = 28 points

    16 games is a decent chunk of the season, so I think this mini league table deserves its own thread. Apart from the obvious (only team keeping pace with Liverpool/City in terms of points) our goals scored and goal difference also make pleasant reading. Which is even more impressive when you consider how atrocious these columns looked before December 21st.

    So yeah, early days but - even if we ignore CL results - here's some solid evidence that Solskjaer is doing a flipping excellent job, despite not signing a single player. Which is not an impression you'd get from reading any of the threads which are supposed to be discussing how good a job he is doing.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    No one's forgotten the job he did up until the PSG game and up till that game we were top of this mini league table. Quite rightly though 2 wins in our last 6 games is all anyone should really be looking at now
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    That's a odd way of looking at a "league campaign"?

    Of course, performance levels having dropped is something to be discussing, but there are also a lot of mitigating factors: he's not signed any one player yet and the squad has also been decimated by injury.
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    TRUERED89 New Member

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    Those 2 losses we deserved at least a point, so looking at the numbers, its been rather good!
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Sure they haven't...
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    To trot out a cliche you're only as good as your last game...
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Nice one!

    Feck me, the way I did it was so labour intensive. Next time I'll cut to the chase and PM you before I get started...
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    Josh 76 Full Member

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    And the two wins against Watford and Westham we deserved feck all.
    Swings and roundabouts I guess.
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    TRUERED89 New Member

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    True!
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    Not really, but ok. Performances have been worrying though.
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    esmufc07 Won the Grand National Sweepstake once Scout

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    For contrast, Mourinho's 17 games before he was sacked.

    P17
    W7
    D5
    L5
    F29
    A29
    Pts 26
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    Robbo's Shoulder Full Member

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    Burnley haven't half turned it round looking at that
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    Mcking Full Member

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    That table shows what the players are able to do. They would do much more with much better coaching.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Waiting for Jose fans' sarcastic post "but it's the manager" or how "Jose was always correct".
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    Nah, over a league season you'll always have good runs of form and bad runs. 2 wins in our last 6, with the 4 losses being away to Arsenal, away to wolves in the cup, away to Wolves in the league, home to Barcelona. Basically theres worse fixtures to lose and none of them were a huge shock tbf, the only one of those I would've expected to win was one of the Wolves games (which we shouldve based on the performance).
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    The slump from the past few weeks is a positive in a sense that we get to see how Ole handles things in this situation. How will he get the team back into form again.
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    We had some very good results no doubts about that. My biggest worry is that bar the first few games when Ole took over, we are basically identical to Jose's 2nd season. Disjointed, relying on pure luck or opponents inability to convert chances, can't control games and have prolonged periods of time where we can't even string 2 passes together and no matter who we play, we struggle a lot, usually winning 2-1. We all know what happens when suddenly things are not going your way. I think this table doesn't reflect how far behind City and Liverpool we are.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    Averaging 2.375 ppg is a too job considering how poor some of what we carry are and an injury crisis in between. That's 90 points over a season. A similar record next season would be fantastic.
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    Wumminator The Special One!

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    That is one of the most mental things I’ve ever read.

    Those six games have seen us play four top sides. Overall we are doing fecking amazingly while Ole deals with the worst squad we’ve ever had and has had horrendous luck with injuries as well.
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    To add on to that @Pogue Mahone , for all those into xG tables as that is supposed to be a somewhat decent long term indicator of accurate league standings, here is the xG table since Ole took over:

    Team - matches played - xG for - xG against - expected points

    Man City - 16 - 40.49 - 9.80 - 39.00
    Liverpool - 17 - 35.03 - 12.07 - 37.26
    Man Utd - 16 - 34.68 - 19.65 - 31.71
    Chelsea - 17 - 25.60 - 18.14 - 28.95
    Burnley - 17 - 27.21 - 22.41 - 28.21
    Leicester - 17 - 25.62 - 20.86 - 26.41
    Tottenham - 16 - 26.88 - 20.19 - 26.40
    Palace - 17 - 24.05 - 23.59 - 24.99
    Arsenal - 15 - 27.18 - 23.23 - 23.67

    On my phone so this is the best format I can do... filter after December 17th for the Ole table on this site:
    www.understat.com/league/epl

    Basically though, shows we've been the 3rd best in the league with a gap between those below and those above.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Another interesting quirk of the data is that - even if you only consider our last six league games - our win % is higher than any other team in the table in the OP, bar City and Liverpool.
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    Thanks for posting this, OP.

    Helps boost the mood after a rather morose month
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    All anyone should be looking at, like ALL?

    This is mad.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    :lol:

    Much better like win every single game? What is really much better than this? 115 points a season?
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    Then to judge Ole you need to exclude all our wins.
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    Decomposing In Paris Full Member

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    In that case, I'm going to judge your entire contribution to this forum on this post... Here's a question, do you think we have been in a better position in the league or Champions League if Klopp, Pep, or Poch had taken over in December?... working with the same injuries, and without signing anyone in January.
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    Red00012 Full Member

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    Those For and Against Stats :lol::lol:
    Feck me Bottom Half numbers
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    Four top sides? The touchiness is a bit wierd I'm all for a bit of positivity but we've been shit recently it's hard to deny. It's not Ole's fault but it is concerning.

    We're back to the position of not being confident before every match no matter the opposition
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    A cliche that is and has always been hysterically wrong and absurd. Only true for goldfish, which most of us are not.
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    KennyBurner New Member

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    Spot on but to me the most impressing thing about him is the change in style. We got played by westham but we’re still confident as a team to try and play the ball. Even if we were second best at some points in the match I’m glad the team never went back in it’s shell like they would under mourinho. I don’t want this to turn into a mourinho vs ole thread but it has to be said. Imagine if mourinho wasn’t such a negative shite we could have been up there.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    We aint fecking Burnley, we should be able to beat Arsenal and Wolves without saying ah yeah but they were tough games.
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    This is absolutely ludicrous, can't get my head around this at all :houllier:
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    Decomposing In Paris Full Member

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    Clearly Ole has done a great job, but people are moving the goalposts now. In December we were out of the Top 4 race, we'd just drawn PSG who we were never going to beat, and we had conceded as many goals as we'd scored. That's why Mourinho was sacked, but even then most of us knew he wasn't the only problem. Thank you @Pogue Mahone @Samid & @roonster09 for laying it out so well. We've been the 3rd best team in the league since Ole took over, and I didn't think that was possible in December. Now we need to fully back him and bring in some top talent in badly needed areas.
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    Offside Euro 2016 sweepstake winner

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    A lot of our performances have been very similar to the final few years under Sir Alex. Finding a way to win despite not playing too well. Especially on Saturday. Still, quite promising.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    That seems to suggest you're saying Ole > all of those other managers?

    I've obviously got no idea how we'd of done under those managers, no one does. Not sure what drove you to even ask the question as I certainly made no suggestion to the fact that we shouldn't have hired Ole when we did
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    Skills Snitch

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    Mourinho really fecked us up. If we don't finish in the top 4 it's not because of our losses to wolves or Arsenal, it's because we gave Mourinho about 10 games more than we should have.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    Yes and we should be winning 38 games every season or else Ole should be fired.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    Well we have people on here who actually think that Mourinho will play no part in us not getting top 4 and it will 100% be Ole's fault because at one point we were ahead of Arsenal and Chelsea (after he caught up the 10+ point gap through our great run).