Premier League wants Brexit exemption amid fears next N'Golo Kante would be denied work permit

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    Pierluigi Casiraghi New Member

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    Football will continue to be just as culturally important whether or not EPL teams are still able to hoover up the best young talent from French academies. If you'd let the way you vote in an election/referendum be seriously swayed by how it will affect your club's likelihood of signing Rayan Cherki, sorry but yeah I think that's childish.

    And I say this as someone who (childishly) voted Lib Dem in 2010 because they wanted to legalise weed.
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    ThierryHenry wishes he could watch Arsenal games with KM

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    Can @Damien change this guy’s name? I don’t want to be confused with this eejit.
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    redcafe_reader New Member

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    Yeah, I would like to see that as well. I used to be my teacher's favorite too :)
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    You misunderstand my point about culture. Obviously culture is the shared value system of a country, football being a centrepiece of that in this country. The English take great pride in the strength of their football, indeed you can link it directly to insecurity about the fallen empire, so the point is that if you weaken this you are not just lowering the quality of a bunch of people kicking a ball around, but you are actually lowering this country’s feeling of self-worth. Therefore football justifiably holds far greater importance to people here than you would seem to allow. Do I give consideration as part of the overall Brexit debate to the fact that another Leicester City story would be far less likely if hard permit regulations were introduced post-Brexit? Yes, that moment was an important part of my life, alongside my future career prospects, family life etc. I don't feel childish, and your mention of Rayan Cherki itself seems a little childish given the thread title.

    I think you may have undergone self-reflection following your 2010 election vote and done what usually happens after such reactive reflection by people whereby you have then overshot your revised judgement too far the other way.
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    ThierryHenry14 New Member

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    Just to clarify I am an Arsenal supporter in Canada and IMO Brexit is really bad for your country, but British already made the LEAVE decision so I wish you luck. EU has many issues but leave it will make you weak and irrelevant in the world. You will have zero bargaining power facing country like China. You will never get better trade deal with USA, China or any other country than EU. Good luck.
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    The United Irishman "Martial is championship material at best"

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    Well I'm not British, and that's just weird given your strong unsympathetic stance on it.
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    Welby5 New Member

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    Both are very un PC that's for sure! But both of them are a miillion miles from what i consider a racist! Boris is well known to be a socially liberal Tory who even wanted an amnesty for illegal immigrants.


    I wasn't old enough to vote back then. I was just giving an instance of previous failure by Labour governments.
    Healey and co were incompetent but not off putting the way Corbyn and commie McDonnel are.
    Even Labour MP John Mann has said they've ripped the heart and soul out of the Labour party and they've now even turned on the wonderful Diane Johnson.

    Labour should be miles ahead in the polls, but even after another disastrous week for the Tory party, Labour fallen even further behind them in the latest polls.
    I'll predict it here right now! Labour will get their worst ever results in a general election and they only have themselves to blame!
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    Welby5 New Member

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    Heard it only today on Parliament tv - Unemployment at it's lowest level for nearly 100 years. More blacks and hispanics in jobs than ever before, which is something he said he would do. Economy growing at 4 and now 3% which is way better than under Obama. Of course, he's another who's far too un-pc for the hard left and pc rent-a-mob, so screw what his actual record in office has been.
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    The Last Jedaiiii New Member

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    If those people would be literally crucified, the world would be a much better place
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    Charles Miller Full Member

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    I think the high level of a league is much more relevant than having a strong nt.
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    Ecstatic Full Member

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    Nothing shocking.

    If you look at the Australian case, Australian working visas seem to be mainly granted to highly-skilled workers.

    Candidates are assessed against a points-based system, with points allocated for certain standards of education or national necessity (say specialists in the wood industry for instance).

    These visas are often sponsored by individual States or Australian business, which recruit workers according to specific needs. The most popular form of sponsored working visa was the 457 visa.

    No debate at all: a government is free to consider the football industry as a key strategic industry that deserve specific benefits.
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    The Last Jedaiiii New Member

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    A government is also legally obliged to act in the National Interest- brexit is the antithesis of the National Interest. Unfortunately, white remainers are so narcissistic, racist and cowardly that they will never demand Article 50 be revoked through legal action because they at heart, are a bunch of Neville Chamberlain wannabes
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    Le Red Full Member

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    The irony of calling people racist while being explicitly racist yourself.
    PS. Spare me from the "reverse racism doesn't exist" bullshit.
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    Le Red Full Member

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    I don't know if anyone told you the news but the UK remains a part of Europe.
    The globalist agenda has been pushed so far inside people's minds that they can't even tell the difference between a continent and a country block anymore.
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    Welby5 New Member

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    What i've noticed is the real intolerance, bigotry and extremism is now actaully coming from the remainers, branding leave voters as everything from racists to out and out Nazis and all kinds of other scum. All that hatred for fellow Brits who want nothing more than to see our own country making our own laws, spending our own money on how we want to spend it and having control of immigratiion. Quite bizarre really!
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    Tostao_80 New Member

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    You probably dont realise the irony in your post. Honest question here. Who do you think the majority of racists abd xenophobes voted for? The fear of foreigners and brown people was played on by the leave campaign and that disgusting breaking point poster. Why do you think Farage and co used a picture full of brown people. It was to scaremonger and appeal to many peoples basest instincts. Hate crimes have gone up since Brexit. I wonder why.
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    redcafe_reader New Member

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    As someone from a communism country I think this thread is quite fun. Apparently to some people, it's okay to disregard democracy if it didn't fit their agenda. And they call people from other side Nazi and racist...
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    Welby5 New Member

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    Of course, there are raciists in this country (non white ones too) and no doubt there would be more of them voting to leave than remain. But that should not mean remainers have the right to brand 17 MIiLLION Brits as racist, Nazi scum! There are very racist, anti semetic people in and around the Labour Party, but you don't see leave voters branding Labour supporters racist scum of the earth. When people resort to agression and abuse, it's always a sure sign they've lost the argument.
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    Mihai Full Member

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    :lol:
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    I love how people get so panicked over stuff. How do you have so much time to worry about something so insignificant?

    Honestly, for all the worry going on, I can see Brexit having very little difference to the way Britain operates.

    - UK will attain trade deals. Some people seem to have this understanding that no deal mean no trade deals ever. Stupid really. In reality, most countries will want to trade with the UK.
    - UK will accept the movement of people between countries, just with Visas (You know, like how the vast majority of countries in the world do it) instead of being free for Europeans (and just Europeans, so we already use Visas for everyone else who wants to stay)

    Its effect on the Premier League? I doubt there will be much. Players will be let in via Visas - it will only be those with past issues that may have more difficulty coming in.
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    Le Red Full Member

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    So it's OK to brand everyone who voted leave as racists and xenophobes because some of them are? And completely ignore there are a whole lot of other issues that made people vote leave, that have nothing to do with immigration issues?
    Keep up with your habit of demonising everyone who doesn't agree with your political views. The conservative wave across the world is benefiting greatly from that.
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    Kostur Full Member

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    No exemptions, Brexit means Brexit, feck off.
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    Le Red Full Member

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    Good effort explaining the obvious. If God is willing a couple of people might understand.
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    Posh Red Full Member

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    I think you may have misinterpreted the point
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    Jam Full Member

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    “Brexit having very little difference on how Britain operates” Haha. Jesus wept. Don’t know if I should laugh or cry at the ignorance around Brexit sometimes.

    “Britain will attain trade deals” sure we will but there’s a difference between good trade deals and bad deals. Who do you think has more negotiating power with other countries and entities.... the UK alone or the EU with access to a continent’s worth of economy? Why do you think Trump and Putin massively support Brexit, out the goodness of their hearts for the British people or the fact they can take advantage of a weakened world power and pick apart at our economy with trade deals heavily biased in their favour because we’re desperate? And the EU, our closest and largest trading partners, will have us down the barrel of a gun. It’s a common interest market to benefit everyone; yet we apparently think we’re bigger and better. We’re not.

    I do agree though in terms of Premier League players; they’ll get Visa approval. They are all essentially walking into high paying (highly taxed) jobs with strong sponsors (clubs).

    Holy shit. You’re vile.

    Unemployment has been falling since 2009, and has actually slowed down since 2016. The early economic success under Trump has literally just followed trends from the Obama administration’s economic policy; Trump has slowed down the growth and success. It’s still largely went “upwards”, but not down to him and all changes he has made has slowed it down. If you want to measure it by market growth then Trump is fourth in this point in his presidency compared to the last six; behind Obama, Bush Snr and Clinton.

    “Far too un-PC” - he’s created concentration camps and is killing children, he’s a serial sex pest, he’s using the countries assets such as the military for his personal gain, he’s making life harder for working class Americans for the benefit of the uber-wealthy, he continually gaslights everyone, he’s a petulant child who sits on social media and advisors have to force him to work, he takes all his cues from cable news networks, he’s actively coveted foreign influence on American democracy, he is an active racist who is advancing the cause of white supremacy in the United States, he’s actively tried to strip millions of Americans of their healthcare. The list of things this man has done or has tried to do can go on and on and on, he’s an abomination and your support for him saying he’s the best person for the job on the grounds of “he’s un-PC!” is disgusting.

    I’m not even a leftist, I don’t have a particular political ideology as society and economies are fluid entities that require different strategies at different times. Trump is beyond the “left v right” divide, he’s dangerous. But hey he has the exact same goals and interests as you, so you’re more than happy for him to use his position however he sees fit.


    All the right ever do is call on Labour’s anti-semitism issue.

    Look at the Sikh MP asking Boris to apologise for his racist comments during PMQs; Boris refused and basically said “yeah but Labour are racist” - it’s such a dog whistle and accusing someone else of racism to distract from your own is ridiculous. Has that MP been involved in the anti-semitism row in any way shape or form? No. Has Boris been involved in the islamaphobia issues within the Conservative party? Yes. Look at you even trying the exact same tactics (“oh but non-whites can be racist too!”).

    Here are the reasons people voted leave:

    1) They themselves are set to benefit from it by taking advantage of the situation and the suffering of everyone else (an incredibly small group of people with massive influence over the situation).

    2) They themselves are ignorant racists who were sold on immigration without actually understanding the situation.

    3) People who are ignorant of the EU, foreign policy, economics and have actively been lied to and fell for the misinformation by the first two groups.

    4) As a protest vote with no understanding of the situation.

    Supporters of Brexit are either actively terrible people, or victims of the terrible people. There is no social or economy benefits to it.

    And no “potential” isn’t a real benefit. I could “potentially” knock out Anthony Joshua, in the same way Britain could “potentially” do better economically without the EU. Beyond a million to one chance.

    And no I’m not prepared to risk the economic stability of the country on the basis that I “could” knock out Anthony Joshua.
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    FootyCrew New Member

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    No surprise norwegians and danish laugh at Sweden immigration policies.Even more when swedish politicians refuse to realize the problem they have.

    Your country...your choice.
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    FootyCrew New Member

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    Leftists have always been like that(btw the Nazis were socialists/leftists)
    But their agenda have changed, they don't care anymore for poor people.Their priorities are different now.

    JKF the last great Democrat, and that was many years ago.
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    Jam Full Member

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    Uh... I think you should probably google some very basic history before you start talking about Nazism and claiming they were socialists/leftists.

    They were a fascist group that co-opted the “national socialist” name to win other disenfranchised Germans, and used political aims as unifying objectives as opposed to things like shared burden and abolition of private ownership or other such economic aims of Marxism. Nazism wholeheartedly rejected very basic core principles of Marxism and isn’t even remotely “leftist/socialist”.

    Absolutely madness to call them a socialist group. It’s just out right ignoring reality. They’re literally the most notorious fascist ideology in modern human history.

    The mind boggles, it really does.
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    caisenma I ♥ Adnan

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    Still a bit of time for you to quickly edit your post before too many people laugh at you.
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    Hell yeah dude
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    FootyCrew New Member

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    Why should i do that?

    Nazis were socialist, they being racist doesn't change the fact they were socialist.
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    Jam Full Member

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    Okay since you know about history than actual history please explain to the world how Nazism is a socialist ideology. Please, go ahead and do it.

    This post-truth world where facts and reality don’t matter to people is ridiculous. No wonder we’re getting Trump, Bolsenaro, Brexit and other deplorables when the electorate is FootyCrew.
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    Kostur Full Member

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    I'll leave you guys to this shit thread but you do realise that Nazism comes from Nazismus which is a shortened version of Nationalsozialismus, right?
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    FootyCrew New Member

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    Exactly.

    I love how people assume that just because Nazis were racist, they couldn't be socialist...

    Also, Hitler had allies in the Arab-Muslim world, and he is still admired by many in those territories...mainly because of his obvious anti-jewish views.
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    Yeah, the Nazis were great followers of Marx, that's why when they gained the power to do so, the first to be rounded up and killed or sent to camps were the fascists and heads of private industry, ah no wait....it was the communists, various leftists, trade unionists etc

    You know the DPRK really is a Democratic Republic too? It's right there in the name.
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    :lol::lol::lol:
    You know that one of the few groups in Germany that always fought against Hitler were actually communists and socialists.
    I think the social democratic party of Germany was the only party in parliament that voted against Hitler. The communist party of Germany had already been dissolved at that point, but still they called for a general strike on the day Hitler rose to power. Many of them paid with their lives, 20000 to 30000 of them. More than 100.000 of them went to prison.

    So, sorry, I am not actually a fan of history lessons, but maybe, maybe it will make you reconsider your point of view on that.
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    Jam Full Member

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    It’s 2019 and we have to argue that Nazism is fascism and not socialism.

    The world is honestly doomed.

    What does this even mean? That he wasn’t “totally” racist basically he has Arab/Asian allies????

    And they’re not socialist; they’re literally fascist.

    Read literally four posts above you for a basic explanation of that; they coopted that name because it started from a “pan-workers movement” and they were attracting disenfranchised electorate. Look at their actions and policies not just their name.

    If I change my name to Ronaldo and do a couple of step overs that doesn’t make me his equivalent.
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    I get it. So Apple is actually a fruit company, because they call themselves Apple, right.
    What's that? Logic on a toddler level?
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    Kostur Full Member

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    You're failing to distinguish between political/ideological and economics systems. You can be a fascist socialist. Perhaps you're mistaking communism for socialism.
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    Jam Full Member

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    Okay, then please tell me the tenants of socialism that were evident and actually used in Nazi policy.