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Protest ideas - Ticket price increase
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It's £51 for a member up to £66. How much are you sticking on top? Seen as it's apparently a bargain and we need to squeeze more.
Dividends aren't the only way to suck the life out of the club. The INEOS deal was brilliant for the Glazers, I bet they can't believe their luck for an asset they didn't pay a penny for. They have made a fortune on the club and stand to make even more. 3 year dividend freeze means little in the grand scheme of things.
That would actually be a good tactic but to be honest I reckon it's due to the performance of the team, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually froze them for a year at this point.
I thought it’s generally accepted that there’s no pathway to ownership for INEOS like originally reported?
Just replying to “They will only leave once they can't take money out of the club anymore. Simple as that”.
There should be a league wide cap on ticket prices.
Maybe a commitment for every club to keep a certain amount of adult tickets under £40.
Maybe a commitment for every club to keep a certain amount of adult tickets under £40.
We thought it was improbable for away tickets but it happened. It's the right idea and where we need stronger combined lobbying groups.
Really? I must have missed that. I read an article recently that still referenced it, but mainly focusing on the fact that they’re investing money and the Glazers can sell their (INEOS) shares after 3 years or so.
If it’s not true then I just don’t see the end game at all for INEOS. What’s in it for them? The Glazers have performed an absolute masterclass with this club. Bought with clubs own money, inherit a successful manager and squad. Squeeze all the money out of sponsors etc. Then INEOS bail them out with a free loan effectively when the well runs dry. feckers.
If ticket prices had have increased at the same rate as inflation, you'd be looking at about £25 now for an adult ticket.
It's 'funny' that the only thing football clubs did not implement from the Taylor Report was his recommendation on ticket prices.
That's brilliant. I'm surprised but at the same time, freedom of speech shouldn't be denied!
The guys next to me got removed from the stadium as they had a Palestinian flag. So yeh, freedom of speech eh.
That's strange! A protest flag against owners is okay but a Palestinian flag upsets them!
Glazers have jewish origin so probably because of that.That's strange! A protest flag against owners is okay but a Palestinian flag upsets them!
As the protest nears the ground they should play “Grounds” by Idols, then in an Andy Dufresne esq moment someone should get it on the PA and play it through the stadium…really fecking loud.
Am I going mad or is the lack of news about prices/Season Tickets for next season a bit weird?
I'm sure we had an update in like February last season.
I'm sure we had an update in like February last season.
As with the cost of most things these days: expect it to rise.
Most likely they had an idea of how much they wanted to increase prices to, but have since scaled back a bit on their original intentions. As Ratcliffe said yesterday, there will be an increase, but not a massive one.
Unless you are a pensioner, in which case it's a 57% increase in price.
They are seemingly prioritising season ticket holders and the young generation.
I'm not sure rises count as prioritising? They just made it sound like it would be 20% so now we have people celebrating 5% on the back of two previous hikes and another guaranteed next year.
There was always going to be an increase. There's nothing wrong with that. You need to be realistic.
Strange that you never got a response to this. What an odd hill to die on for their first, and only, post.
Clearly yours is a common view - and I'm not so naive to not understand why. But I don't agree. Ticket prices can be sustainable at £30-£40. It doesn't need to be accepted.
And we know where this ends (IMO of course). Increases yearly, until we hit a US model. Dynamic pricing as seen for members, and ST numbers gradually reduced - before a likely huge jump for a new stadium.
If they have to raise ticket prices they should make the adjustment large enough that they don’t have to do it again for several years. Nothing worse than the Disneyland approach where the costs for tickets and concessions go up every year.
I can't speculate on what will become mainstream across the board in years to come. I can only comment on what is happening now. I feel that 5% is the minimum increase they could have made. I also feel that they are right not to have raised them any further at this moment in time. The truth of the matter is that the Glazers should have raised ticket prices long before now, but were too afraid of fan backlash.
The Glazers couldn’t care less about protests from their swanky American mansions. Jim says he does, but is a hard-nosed 72 year old entrepreneur who is also the self-made richest man in England really bothered about the opinions of people like us?
Also, even if he did, I’d say around 300 of our 600 million worldwide fans haven’t got a clue who the Glazers even are, and know INEOS only because of their exploits in other industries. Because of this, how is any substantial, hard-hitting protest, like a season-long emptying of Old Trafford, ever going to work? I’d say any effort will simply make the owners even richer as the people who do go will be the ones spending money at the megastore. I am not blaming tourists at all as they are entitled to spend on whatever they want, especially if it’s memorabilia from their first ever trip to OT, but that’s what is going to happen.
Then, chuck in the fact that our time at Old Trafford is limited and it makes things even more difficult. I’ve been to four games and it gets more beautiful each time - how can anyone expect a STH who’s devoted every 2nd Saturday to going to OT throughout his life to stop for one season (after which it’ll be a proper laugh trying to get his season ticket back) when the ground is about to go?
Also, even if he did, I’d say around 300 of our 600 million worldwide fans haven’t got a clue who the Glazers even are, and know INEOS only because of their exploits in other industries. Because of this, how is any substantial, hard-hitting protest, like a season-long emptying of Old Trafford, ever going to work? I’d say any effort will simply make the owners even richer as the people who do go will be the ones spending money at the megastore. I am not blaming tourists at all as they are entitled to spend on whatever they want, especially if it’s memorabilia from their first ever trip to OT, but that’s what is going to happen.
Then, chuck in the fact that our time at Old Trafford is limited and it makes things even more difficult. I’ve been to four games and it gets more beautiful each time - how can anyone expect a STH who’s devoted every 2nd Saturday to going to OT throughout his life to stop for one season (after which it’ll be a proper laugh trying to get his season ticket back) when the ground is about to go?
Or just index it to inflation. Inflation at the moment is 2% so realistically nobody could really complain about a 2% increase in ticket prices. If they start doing an annual increase that's double the inflation % then it's going to get out of hand very quickly.
I agree. Especially after prices has been frozen for 10 years
Just to be clear - there has already been 2 consecutive years of rises, they now announced 2 more years so that's 4 years in a row
5% doesn't sound like much but in fact it will be 22% cumulatively for ST holders and we still await member ticket pricing details
Without any protest and lobbying from fan groups, I'm sure it would have been worse
We need to be protesting against the new ground. Prices will rise, everything else is. It's annoying, but so is the fact that everything else is going up. Is everybody happy with the wrecking ball coming to Old Trafford? The only benefit I can see is a bit more leg room. And while my knees would be grateful for that, they wouldn't be £2Billion grateful!
Why?
The majority of fans appear to be in favour of the new stadium.
Even in the Caf, only a small percentage are against, according to to the poll.
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theyve mentioned next 2 years increasing?
We all know the only way to protest is to not buy a ticket, especially season tickets, but very few are prepared to 'fall on their sword' in this manner, because we all know the next person along will pick it up.
I was expecting a rise of above 5%, but what I find as an (Old) OAP is that my 50% concession has now gone forever, however, technically I do now have a 25% concession, but the price I will actually pay will be 60% greater than last year ... what you lose on the roundabout, you don't gain on the swings... Que Sera Sera.
Obviously me and the missus (in the same boat) are not happy, but there does seem to be some attempt to keep prices for younger fans at the same level, so that is something. They after all are the future and I hope the club would try to make life a bit less costly for families, with young kids, if they cannot (or will not) lower the ticket prices for families, how about a free programme, free drink and some free grub... it's not just the ticket price that is expensive for parents with young kids.
At this rate by the time they finish the new stadium I will have personally paid for one of the trident forks
I was expecting a rise of above 5%, but what I find as an (Old) OAP is that my 50% concession has now gone forever, however, technically I do now have a 25% concession, but the price I will actually pay will be 60% greater than last year ... what you lose on the roundabout, you don't gain on the swings... Que Sera Sera.
Obviously me and the missus (in the same boat) are not happy, but there does seem to be some attempt to keep prices for younger fans at the same level, so that is something. They after all are the future and I hope the club would try to make life a bit less costly for families, with young kids, if they cannot (or will not) lower the ticket prices for families, how about a free programme, free drink and some free grub... it's not just the ticket price that is expensive for parents with young kids.
At this rate by the time they finish the new stadium I will have personally paid for one of the trident forks
As always the media jump on anything United do. The hypocrisy is insane. Sky make a big talking point of this yet they have increased their subscription price by how much percent since they began? I'm sure most clubs have increased their prices from 20 years ago.
I am not trying to defend the owners as it doesn't affect me. I get tickets once or twice a year through a travel company. That might be a little extra next season but I understand this affects the every match day going fan. I used to use a tout years ago but has stopped doing it. I was charged 100 pounds for some games per ticket. The club also knows touting happens a lot. I'm sure on any given match day around 5k seats are being touted.
I do think they did try to look after the younger fans and pensioner fans.
I own a small business and I must increase my prices again very soon. One item I sold in 2016 was 16.00, now its 22.00. Soon it must be 24.00. Of course it's a different scale but inflation always occurs.
I am not trying to defend the owners as it doesn't affect me. I get tickets once or twice a year through a travel company. That might be a little extra next season but I understand this affects the every match day going fan. I used to use a tout years ago but has stopped doing it. I was charged 100 pounds for some games per ticket. The club also knows touting happens a lot. I'm sure on any given match day around 5k seats are being touted.
I do think they did try to look after the younger fans and pensioner fans.
I own a small business and I must increase my prices again very soon. One item I sold in 2016 was 16.00, now its 22.00. Soon it must be 24.00. Of course it's a different scale but inflation always occurs.
The difference between the item you sell and United is that match day revenues are roughly 1/6th of overall revenue, while I’ll assume all your revenue comes from sales of items. A more apt comparison would be how much would you raise the price of your item if the government/some other body gives you and every shop similar to yours enough money to roughly double your revenue just for simply existing, which is where broadcasting revenues comes in.
To be fair it's not the same comparison I agree. Inflation has gone up, though. I'm reading different things and not sure what to believe. Earlier I saw on FB a 77 year old woman was charged 454 pounds last year and next year she will be charged 890 pounds. I heard car park prices went up also which further increases the costs.
I really hate sounding like I'm defending ''corporate'' but has price increases not always been a thing over the years at clubs. Because it's United and our PL position, the media are having a field day with it.
I can confirm this situation, I am 79 this year, my ticket concession of 50% (and my wife's) has gone. Last year we paid £484.50 (each) this year £794.50 (each) that's not counting cup match tickets which we always signed up for as well.
Actually we have been given a new 25% concession, but the actual % increase this year is 60%.
It's only people like us who have supported United all their lives who are really getting clobbered.
Sir Jim must think everyone over 70 is as well off as him.
Have not done the math yet, but if it turns out we cannot afford to go to OT next season, then we will have to stand and wave off those who can.
That is unfair.I can confirm this situation, I am 79 this year, my ticket concession of 50% (and my wife's) has gone. Last year we paid £484.50 (each) this year £794.50 (each) that's not counting cup match tickets which we always signed up for as well.
Actually we have been given a new 25% concession, but the actual % increase this year is 60%.
It's only people like us who have supported United all their lives who are really getting clobbered.
Sir Jim must think everyone over 70 is as well off as him.
Have not done the math yet, but if it turns out we cannot afford to go to OT next season, then we will have to stand and wave off those who can.
I wonder, just out of curiosity, how many season ticket holders would be in your age bracket. I'm just thinking if the club worked out lets say x amount of percent are over the age of 70.
How long have you been a season ticket holder for?
I am interested to know what it's like with other clubs. To be clear I am not defending that this is the right thing to do (increase prices by that much). It sucks you have to pay that much extra.
I have learned a long time ago life is not fair... but that's another story.
Over the last ten years I would say of the people I know in my age group, who were season ticket holders, about 40% have either died off or found it difficult to get to games, ill-health, transport problems and over the last few years costs generally but of travel mostly, many in the +75 age group either cannot afford a car or have had to give up their driving licence... believe you me there is nowt down for getting old, especially when your beloved club pulls a stunt like this.
I first started going to OT in 1956, 9 years old, my uncle took me, don't remember much except the size of Duncan Edwards legs... like tree trunks; next was the night we beat Sheffield Wednesday 3rd round of FA cup first match after Munich, didn't get in the ground, got stuck with many others outside Stretford Police station listening in on a transistor radio that someone in the crowd had.
I was, with my old man, a League Match Ticket Book holder most of the 70's and 80's (about 20 years) then my father died and I foolish let my League match tickets go. I eventually got a season ticket in 2007/8 had one ever since, wife got hers in 2012, she still has it.
You are right it does 'suck'... but in all honesty after we have done our math and if we can afford it we will renew... suppose there is no hope for such as us... is there?