Yep. Definitely not a racially associated word in the UK.
When I think of thugs I Personally think of white skin heads or enforcers for organised crime syndicates,, that kind of thing.
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When I think of thugs I Personally think of white skin heads or enforcers for organised crime syndicates,, that kind of thing.
There's a video of before that which shows why they were on her car. It doesn't paint her in a better light, let's put it that way.
the running over was unnecessary - but so was jumping on her window - they don't cancel each other out of course and equally anybody tracking her down and harming or threatening her once her licence plate makes it on to twitter wouldnt be justified or helping the situation either - to be honest twitter should be sending her licence to the police and taking the posts down
it’s not racist if I’m being prejucice again get my own skin colour
I wasn't suggesting you were being racist, I knew what you meant, just thought it was quite funny.it’s not racist if I’m being prejucice again get my own skin colour
Yeah just learnt that they worked together as bouncers. Don’t get me wrong I was not criticising you for asking that as in this case it seems like it was a factor, my point is I would want to avoid an overemphasis on the personal factor when black people are murdered by cops without any need for pre-existing animosity regularly, and when even accounting for this personal element here the cop felt empowered enough to be able to execute him in full public view and with the complicity of his colleagues.
Guys, this is all going on in the US...
type in thug to google images - a page of mostly young black men
type in thug UK to google images - a page of mostly young white men (mostly with very short hair)
so yeah its for sure one of those words that has different meanings on different sides of the Atlantic
Truly is like a scene from GTA.
Yes, I agree that attempting to kill someone is worse than jumping on a car.
Yeah I didn't expect a reply after bringing up Mueller and his band of overwhelmingly white prosecutors being branded "thugs" by Trump so it's fine. Funny thing is that usage is the one that is so spectacularly wide of the mark (definition wise).
The girl who tweeted the video explained in a follow up that he only jumped on the car because she accelerated towards them.
It was funny.
I can only assume at this point that you’re being deliberately obtuse given how many times the concept of dog whistling has been explained to you in very simple terms.
This is your best post.
Or, unbelievably, I don't think it's a case of dog whistling but rather a case of correctly using a word.
Rioters and looters being described as thugs? Outrageous!
We know that.
We are just surprised that somebody has suggested the word "thug" has racial connotations because of Trumps comments.
Perhaps if you live in the USA you can confirm one way or the other.
I’m definitely not a fan of twitter mobs. I was assuming/hoping that this would be the usual outcomes. Police and employers informed etc. As far as I know online pile-ups hardly ever end up with anyone turning up at someone’s door.
I’m not American but yeah, it does have racial undertones. I don’t know trump’s intent - the man is so daft that it wouldn’t surprise me if he was actually unaware of the implications of using that term. But yes, it has racial connotations.
First time I’ve seen attempted murder termed ‘unnecessary’ in the same way you might tell someone they’ve put a little too much sauce on their burger.
Oh I know that mate. It was more to highlight the point that in the UK the term thug is not something that gets associated primarily with black people or used as a racist term in general.
Think the rioters are completely in the right. This behaviour from cops has been going on far too long and peaceful protests have falling on deaf ears for years.
That video would make your blood boil in anger and its just the latest, I get that the gang problem is massive in the US and cops genuinely do fear for their lives daily but their actions have been disgusting, no reason why they couldnt have just arrested that fella he was cooperating and absolutely no threat.
Compare the tear gassing of peaceful black protestors to the cops completely ignoring other protests against the lockdown where people have been walking around with guns and nothing done.
That video would make your blood boil in anger and its just the latest, I get that the gang problem is massive in the US and cops genuinely do fear for their lives daily but their actions have been disgusting, no reason why they couldnt have just arrested that fella he was cooperating and absolutely no threat.
Compare the tear gassing of peaceful black protestors to the cops completely ignoring other protests against the lockdown where people have been walking around with guns and nothing done.
So in America the word "thug" has racial connotations.
Really? Do you live in America?
I'd like a second opinion on that.
This is all getting away from the terrible sh*t going on but I just want to see if people really are making up stuff to suit their own argument.
Ok I’m done banging my head against this particular wall. At best you’re being disingenuous.
I don’t live in the US but I can confirm that the word thug unquestionably carries a racial undertone over there.
It’s been described by many as a synonym for the n word, and is often used as a dog whistle as it has been by Trump here.
This will only embolden the racist cops. From the outside it's clear that the whole blues are behind them, the president are with them, and FOX etc probably right behind them indirectly.
Mate just google it.
It’s a racist dog whistle
I'm not American but I am completely on the side of the rioters.
Of course, peaceful protest is best. However, there are times where peaceful protest will no longer work.
What's been going on in the States politically in the last decade or so is appalling and must be fought.
I don't think he is saavy enough for that. He is pretty clumsy and thoughtless in his speech. The guy talked about putting disinfectant via injection. You think he is clued up like this?
all the footage I have seen of protesters showed a mixed crowd with many white N words. This isn't exactly black people rioting.
Absolutely has racial undertones.
Abso-fecking-lutely and he's done it before.
and here we go again chasing the red herring of "thug"
Speaking of "thug", I came across this graph in the Google Books Ngram Viewer which matches the rise of dog-whistle politics shockingly well. Maybe it's just a coincidence, and I'm reading meaning into it that isn't there, but it sure seems relevant.
Let's be honest - even if Trump meant it to have no racial undertones, use of the word 'thugs' dilutes, ignores and devalues any valid protest going on. This is unlikely to be accidental.
Haha mate I’m not on any side in your argument. I just know the word ‘thug’ has been used, way back when, for the purpose of ‘othering’ certain demographics. As you say though, the literal definition of the word ‘thug’ can be applied In this case. You’re fighting a losing battle though.
Well quite. We're debating the use of a single word by a scandalously right wing President with known far right and fascist group associations who is supported by Evangelical lunatics, alt right cultural manipulators and actually fecking Nazis.
I mean, you can even hear them on the recording say that they're live on CNN. It's such a stupid excuse.