Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
It's great that you now understand why the term is used and that it's a dishonest one. But I would still like to understand what it meant to you before today because you used it in an argument and I imagine that it meant something to you, I would like to know if you ever tried to understand it or just repeated a statistic without giving it a thought.
I seen an nfl player post about a young child shot by another black man and he commented on this black on black violence needs to stop. The nfl player was also black.
It then got me thinking this is really the first time ive seen someone in the public eye mention it.
So i came here to see why.
Previous to this i didnt really give a thought as to what colour kills whats kills.
Previous to all this i was probably oblivious to racism as i just can't wrap my head around why someone would think differently of a person because of skin colour. I cant wrap my head around it.
One of my best mates is black and up until i probably didnt even realise the disadvantages he has compared to me. It just didnt enter my mind because i struggled to comprehend anyone treating another human differently because of skin colour. Its opened my eyes and id like to hope will make me a bettter friend to him
Thanks for answering. That's the issue with this type of appealing terms in particular when it comes to societal issues, they are easily spread and only a few actually understand what it represents.
Armed militias flock to Gettysburg to foil 'flag-burning protest' that was all a hoax
Social media posts claimed antifa groups planned protest
Heavily armed far-right protesters descended on cemetery
Social media posts claimed antifa groups planned protest
Heavily armed far-right protesters descended on cemetery
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@arnie_ni is this the incident you’re talking about?
At work so cant watch the video at the moment. Will get back to you this evening
We need to learn though. By we i mean those that dont suffer through racism or poverty or whatever is the case.
People struggle to look outside their own box much. Myself personally, im ok financially, im white, so i dont experience things others do.
Is it naivety? Possibly
Possibly even selfishness. Ive had a lot of other issues going on a various stages of my life, so i dont take, or make time to understand others issues.
All i know is without asking questions I'll never understand and I didn't appreciate a couple of the responses i got in here.
There are so many people from different walks of life here that experience things first hand, so much so id consider this forum educational in terms of learning about others.
Goes with the territory on here I'm afraid. You'll definitely get abrasive responses from certain posters on any given topic. Possibly they'll feel that if you are going to ask what they consider stupid questions you are going to be treated as if you are. Take it with a pinch of salt.
City University is changing the name of its Cass Business School in light of Sir John Cass profiting from slave trading. One of the higher profile university acknowledgments of the awkward sources of past donors' wealth.
https://www.ft.com/content/a064ce1c-002a-4141-b9b2-c1effa903970
https://www.ft.com/content/a064ce1c-002a-4141-b9b2-c1effa903970
Why does what seem accepted?
Nobody accepts that people getting dead is ok.
Use all of your words and make a point.
Came here to see if there was a post on this already, after reading this news item today. When the guy says "Why don't you guys learn about history, the Emancipation Proclamation Act? You're only free because of our forefathers." - that's just an insane view to hold. So now black people should be grateful to the US for having abolished slavery at some point...?!
These are really awesome posts! I would add, though, that this kind of whataboutism happens very regularly to groups with leftist claims. (Maybe also others, but this is what I notice.) 'If you care about animals, why don't you also care about the working poor?' Replace 'animals' with any cause and 'working poor' with any unrelated other cause. (Also: 'If you're Raheem Sterling, why don't you always comment on any racism happening anywhere?' But that's back in the context you were discussing already.) Of course, many people are defending a cause on behalf of the cause, without being involved themselves. (E.g., animal activists are not animals themselves.) In that sense, it's definitely more nefarious for black people, as they are not even allowed to just talk about their own issues, while the suffering and injustice they have experienced eclipses pretty much anything - as you point out. But I do think it's part a more general reflex of anyone who disagrees with whatever instance of activism.
Maybe not really what you were saying, but this reminded me: I have often heard that being colourblind to skin colours is not necessarily a good thing. It's probably helpful in your own behaviour towards others, but it may cause you to miss that some people are being discriminated against due to their skin colour, because it's not a factor you consider yourself. So we are now thinking that we should not raise our children colourblind, but rather very aware of skin colour and discrimination, so they can actively battle it. (If only through their own behaviour and interactions - but all the same.)
Also loved this piece by the way. I think one issue to add is that politics is a lot about image and immediate impact, to ensure you can get elected again. So if there is an issue, fire someone, introduce some patch-up legislation and do some cool speeches - and stop there once you've made your mark. Obviously, that doesn't fix anything in the long run, but addressing the underlying issues means making real change (which will have real opposition) and playing the long game to see its effects play out - none of which helps you get reelected within a few years time.
I actually think that probably is the case with myself and alot of people. And this whole thing has taught me that lesson.
As many posters have pointed out crime is just crime, not really about colour, while with police killings its about a taxpayer funded institution, who's job is to protect and serve, doing the opposite. They seem to target a vulnerable segment of society, mistreating, ruining lives and killing people in a way that seems deliberate and systemic.
@SteveJ, not going to quote a specific post, as you've posted a number of great posts on the subject that have been eloquent and insightful . You should consider doing a book about this.
Thank you, mate, but for a number of reasons I wouldn't dare or presume to do so.
Not quite getting this tbh, could you explain how these assumptions work & who you paraphrase there?
The first point is based on the fact that since the beginning BLM movements have been accused by a part of the public of using this topic as a crutch for an other agenda which is a socialist one, that's where conspiracies around Soros begin which has led to a certain amount of people criticizing the movement for politicizing the topic. The second point is based on the fact that the BLM movements and their supporters have been dismissed on the ground that they allegedly don't fight for other causes, when the movement talk about economic inequalities due to systemic racism some are perfectly happy to rightfully point to the fact that other ethnic groups also suffer from economic inequalities and that racism isn't the sole or even main problem. So it's apparently wrong to be socialist when you are anti-racist and it's also wrong to not expand on other social and economic issues.
On a side note you may have interpreted the sentence that you bolded as something said by a single person, that's not what I meant. I meant that both of these ideas coexist.
In addition to the "black on black" thing, you should realize that it isn't all about numbers. "Black on black crime" is crime in predominantly black communities, you don't think this topic receives a ton of attention, from all possible sides and perspectives, every single day? Of course it does. Police brutality doesn't.
"Normal" murderers aren't protected, they aren't excused, they aren't venerated. Cops are. In addition, they're wholly different issues with different causes and different solutions. Why protest about water quality in Flint when there are much worse health issues around? Why focus on racism in the mortgage industries when other things have a much larger effect on poverty? Why care about redlining and voter suppression when I'm sure we can find something worse? Why talk about prostate cancer or diabetes when heart disease is still a thing?
It just doesn't make sense.
Thanks, I get what you mean now. Yeah, double-binds of that sort are typical for the dismissal of minority movements.
The first one isn't worth any consideration at all. There are aspects to the second one worth discussing, but not when used against the fundamental legitimacy of BLM and similar movements. The idea that a minority has to address all of the world's problems before being allowed to address their own specific ones is ignorant at best, and often just a fig leaf for resentment.
I understand, but still think you'd do a fine job
https://newsone.com/3971792/lake-monroe-lynching-video-bloomington-indiana/
‘Get The Noose’: Video Shows Black Man Nearly Lynched On The Fourth Of July
Vauhxx Booker documented his attack at Lake Monroe near Bloomington, Indiana.
‘Get The Noose’: Video Shows Black Man Nearly Lynched On The Fourth Of July
Vauhxx Booker documented his attack at Lake Monroe near Bloomington, Indiana.
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The full transcript of George Floyd's arrest now public (embedded in BBC link).
Makes grim reading. If that was a different group of policeman with a calmer, patient, more tolerant attitude... probably ends up completely differently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53343967
Makes grim reading. If that was a different group of policeman with a calmer, patient, more tolerant attitude... probably ends up completely differently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53343967
There's a video doing the rounds on social media that appears to show two cops killing a man in custody inside a squad car, think it was. One is holding the man's nose closed shut, the other has a baton/rod shoved in the man's mouth.
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Baltimore sounds pretty grim.
HOLY SHIT! I don’t know if it’s been mentioned at all here but I was just recommended “Blindspotting” on Netflix. A brilliant piece of work that sheds a light on the situation we’re finding ourselves in. I loved this quote, characters speaking about the face/vase optical illusion, but completely about inherent systemic racism...
Why "blindspotting?"
Cause it's all about how you can look at something and there can be another thing there that you aren't seeing so you got a blind spot.
But if somebody points out the other picture to you, doesn't it make it not a blind spot anymore?
No, 'cause you can't go against what your brain wants to see first unless you spend the time to retrain your brain, which is hella hard, so you're always gonna be instinctually blind to the spot you weren't seeing.
Why "blindspotting?"
Cause it's all about how you can look at something and there can be another thing there that you aren't seeing so you got a blind spot.
But if somebody points out the other picture to you, doesn't it make it not a blind spot anymore?
No, 'cause you can't go against what your brain wants to see first unless you spend the time to retrain your brain, which is hella hard, so you're always gonna be instinctually blind to the spot you weren't seeing.
This is very very scary.
Re: the black on black crime point
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This is a very long thread, but an extremely well-cited and statistically backed debunking of that myth. I'd encourage everyone to read it. I'd never really known what to say in relation to that point, but it seems as if it's not really a point at all.
And there is a caveat about these stats, they only represent two thirds of all murders, we don't know who committed the other murders, so the stats could easily be reversed and white on white crime be at the top.
Completely agree although @SteveJ if you could make the lines extra thick because I'm pretty clumsy with the old crayons.
Posted in the 'Cops/America' thread in this forum.
Thank you.
Unsurprisingly that looks to be yet another load of disingenuous bullshit from that Coleman Hughes character.
Has to be Baylor, again. Hiding his apparent bigotry, dishonesty, and hatred behind first amendment and religion, go figure.
https://www.wacotrib.com/news/highe...cle_7e367035-6def-575d-9af0-093c1d6c939a.html
Baylor civil rights officials investigating complaints against softball coaches
https://www.wacotrib.com/news/highe...cle_7e367035-6def-575d-9af0-093c1d6c939a.html
Baylor civil rights officials investigating complaints against softball coaches
awful story, not sure if this is the right thread
https://www.propublica.org/article/...ork-so-a-judge-sent-her-to-juvenile-detention
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