There are tweets with Mbappé mentioned as a target for the Qataris.Why are you so obsessed with Mbappe? You’re constantly bringing him up despite there being no credible links that we’re after him.
You should stop reading the Daily Mail or the Sun and present it as some kind of reliable information which we all know is not.There are tweets with Mbappé mentioned as a target for the Qataris.
There is more propoganda coming from the Qataris getting our fans all riled up promising multiple star signings in one window. The last I read is Mbappé, Bellingham, Declan Rice, Pickford and fecking Kane. I‘m not making this stuff up.
Fair, but you do know some rumors are put out there on purpose? Like the Keegan Qatari takeover tweets?You should stop reading the Daily Mail or the Sun and present it as some kind of reliable information which we all know is not.
I said credible links, are there any serious sources saying this or is it just click bait bollocks from gutter rags like the Sun?There are tweets with Mbappé mentioned as a target for the Qataris.
There is more propoganda coming from the Qataris getting our fans all riled up promising multiple star signings in one window. The last I read is Mbappé, Bellingham, Declan Rice, Pickford and fecking Kane. I‘m not making this stuff up.
Hey my point is not that they are true or not, but that the Qataris are making false promises.I said credible links, are there any serious sources saying this or is it just click bait bollocks from gutter rags like the Sun?
Yes I have said a few times now that it is to do with revenue generated.I think the majority of the fans believe we will see Chelsea spending levels. Therefpre it is the exact opposite.
Getting Mbappé in summer would be possible MAYBE, because the transfersum would be huge and the wages huge.
Getting Bellingham and Mbappé in one window? Not gonna happen unless the Qataris cook the books.
60% of MU fans are living in the Twilight Zone.
And the moral dilemma?Everyone wants the Glazers gone (obviously) and among the two statements submitted last Friday, the Qatari one appears more attractive because of the outright sale with out debt, a paying off of existing debt, and promises of infrastructure development. That's not to say the Qatari bid will win in the end, or even that the Glazers are guaranteed to sell. There's a lot of wishful thinking based on minimal verified, factual information.
As the saying goes "one man's meat is another man's poison" - moral dilemma's are personal to you and you alone, and there's nothing wrong with thatAnd the moral dilemma?
The argument in favor of the Qataris has been increased spending on infrastructure and transfers. Increased spending on transfers is not a given as I have pointed out, which makes the Qatar bid less palatable ( it‘s not palatable to me until they sign a human rights declaration and change their laws).Yes I have said a few times now that it is to do with revenue generated.
The original point was that, compared to City, United provide a much more powerful financial base from which to generate the level of revenue that will allow very high levels of spending and still be within FFP. That’s just a fact.
I’m not party to whatever nonsense is being spouted about us rushing out to buy several megastars in the summer. I wouldn’t have even thought about that and don’t really care. Over the long term we should be able to outspend all our rivals (as we used to, years ago) if everyone stays within FFP, because United is simply a far bigger money making proposition, provided there’s no debt and no money being taken out of the club.
What most people object to about the Glazers (without trying to speak on anyone’s behalf) is that the club is being run into the ground on the back of debt repayments, dividends (although not actually that much) and poor management (inadequate investment in the wrong things at the wrong times).
The ideal owner would not use club revenue to pay off debt and would take no money out of the club. Under owners like that, this club would be the most powerful club, financially, in the league and possibly the world. That doesn’t mean we spend another £200m out of the gate, but soon that kind of spending would be easy. If there’s no debt. And with systematic investment, better management etc.
Who can provide that kind of ownership? And what would be the moral cost? These are key questions but the point is that this club could generate insane money and therefore could (afterwards) spend insane money.
But it is a given. You don’t think they buy the club and not invest in the team? That would be madness, even for them. I’m not in favour of them at all but it’s pointless to argue that they won’t buy players - they absolutely will. And they absolutely will be able to, and stay within FFP, the only question will be the timing of that.The argument in favor of the Qataris has been increased spending on infrastructure and transfers. Increased spending on transfers is not a given as I have pointed out, which makes the Qatar bid less palatable ( it‘s not palatable to me until they sign a human rights declaration and change their laws).
Yeah. I don’t think there’s a particularly good outcome for us regardless.I'd rather keep the Glazer's than get the Qataris. At least they'd go nowhere near the football side of things now they've lucked on a great manager. PSG managers have minimal say on transfers. And I've not even mentioned the sports washing.
Can't believe this poll. Shameful.
I agree with everything you said, except the part about ignoring the owners being the only viable option. That's not the only option. We can still protest them (whether it's human rights if it's Qatar, the environment if it's Ineos, etc.). Use the power of the fanbase to bring attention to their negatives, while trying to get them to be better.Honestly I don't like either. They're both planet polluting. I have a slight preference for the British born planet polluting green washing cynical self publicist, but let's face it they're both awful and a choice between the two cannot be treated as an endorsement. As were the Glazers. I guess ignoring the owners is the only viable option. It's not like we are being given a say anyway.
Where and who from?There are tweets with Mbappé mentioned as a target for the Qataris.
There is more propoganda coming from the Qataris getting our fans all riled up promising multiple star signings in one window. The last I read is Mbappé, Bellingham, Declan Rice, Pickford and fecking Kane. I‘m not making this stuff up.
Where?Hey my point is not that they are true or not, but that the Qataris are making false promises.
Have the Qataris not said they won't splash the cash on transfers?The argument in favor of the Qataris has been increased spending on infrastructure and transfers. Increased spending on transfers is not a given as I have pointed out, which makes the Qatar bid less palatable ( it‘s not palatable to me until they sign a human rights declaration and change their laws).
Well whoever owns United in July will have to splash cash if we want to sign a top striker and midfielder.Have the Qataris not said they won't splash the cash on transfers?
Don‘t think they did, they promised Mbappé via Mike Keegan on Twitter in the beginning of February.Have the Qataris not said they won't splash the cash on transfers?
Show it.Don‘t think they did, they promised Mbappé via Mike Keegan on Twitter in the beginning of February.
Why are you posting this? All reports have said that they won't splash unnecessarily. Show the source of your information that you've been sharing so far in this thread.Don‘t think they did, they promised Mbappé via Mike Keegan on Twitter in the beginning of February.
Go in the other Qatar thread: the tweet was posted there. Around February 7th.Why are you posting this? All reports have said that they won't splash unnecessarily. Show the source of your information that you've been sharing so far in this thread.
Show it.Go in the other Qatar thread: the tweet was posted there. Around February 7th.
This is probably the way to look at it.People are not paying attention to PSG. PSG have some of the finest breeding ground for young talent in the world and and yet they keep trying to scoop up big names rather then pave the way for that talent to flourish. Their have no real identity for how they play because the owners just keep purchasing big names and changing managers for not winning a knockout competition.
From the beginning of the season I did not see how they win the CL, you can carry 1 player not pressing, but carrying 3, no chance.
That's what a Qatar ownership brings, soulless club forgoing our traditions.
They just started a 16 year old in the CL didn't they?People are not paying attention to PSG. PSG have some of the finest breeding ground for young talent in the world and and yet they keep trying to scoop up big names rather then pave the way for that talent to flourish. Their have no real identity for how they play because the owners just keep purchasing big names and changing managers for not winning a knockout competition.
From the beginning of the season I did not see how they win the CL, you can carry 1 player not pressing, but carrying 3, no chance.
That's what a Qatar ownership brings, soulless club forgoing our traditions.
Yup they have made that adjustment now, but that has not been their general operating model.They just started a 16 year old in the CL didn't they?
I agree. But not sure I have the energy to do more than complain on the caf and do a snarky bit of journalism when I get the chance.I agree with everything you said, except the part about ignoring the owners being the only viable option
PSG for all their Domestic trophies have not been well run at all by Qatar.People are not paying attention to PSG. PSG have some of the finest breeding ground for young talent in the world and and yet they keep trying to scoop up big names rather then pave the way for that talent to flourish. Their have no real identity for how they play because the owners just keep purchasing big names and changing managers for not winning a knockout competition.
From the beginning of the season I did not see how they win the CL, you can carry 1 player not pressing, but carrying 3, no chance.
That's what a Qatar ownership brings, soulless club forgoing our traditions.
With that amount of talent coming through they should be a powerhouse. Instead they are a sad joke.PSG for all their Domestic trophies have not been well run at all by Qatar.
Yeah ignoring all that local talent and instead choosing to buy in has been a massive blunder. Hopefully they don't make the same mistake if they end up owning United.With that amount of talent coming through they should be a powerhouse. Instead they are a sad joke.
No thanks. They can feck off.Yeah ignoring all that local talent and instead choosing to buy in has been a massive blunder. Hopefully they don't make the same mistake if they end up owning United.
They wouldn't be my first choice either, I'm against states owning football clubs. But it feels inevitable at this stage.No thanks. They can feck off.
Qatar brought PSG in 2011. Some of these players would have have to been with PSG since 13 at the early stages of their ownership for your point to even make sense.Yup they have made that adjustment now, but that has not been their general operating model.
Look at these players born around the Paris area that were in the catchment area for their academy.
Mendy, Konate, Saliba, Kounde, Kanta, Nkuku, Rabio, Pogba, Coman, Mbappe, Mahrez
Only Coman can you consider came through their academy and because of the sheer amount of people who were ahead of him went to Juve on loan.
That is a stunning amount of talent to let slip through the cracks when you are the only major club in the Paris area.
Proof. I've not seen this.Don‘t think they did, they promised Mbappé via Mike Keegan on Twitter in the beginning of February.
And how would this work within FFP?To improve the squad next year we need:
Striker in the mould of Kane: 100M
CM in the mould of FDJ: 80M
RB with the ability like Shaw: 60M
GK - ball playing: 50M
Estimated funds required for new players 300M
We have transfer debt of 300M
Long term debts 500M
Infrastructure -stadium and training - 1000M
We are in urgent need of about more than 2000M but the money have already being used to pay Glazers debts, dividends, and whatnot (1500M).
In other words, we are fecked by the Glazers and sucked dry. We are left with no other option except the Qatari. They are the only ones that can fork out 8000M to buy and invest in the club with ZERO debts to us.
I only want the best for the only club I support all my life week in week out and the best choice is obvious to all.
