How exactly is it fake ? With the same logic, I am also a fake supporter of United , since I am not from Manchester ?
If their own nation isn't playing, they are free to support whomever they want.
Jeez, common sense isn't that common , is it.
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If their own nation isn't playing, they are free to support whomever they want.
Jeez, common sense isn't that common , is it.
He's being sarcastic bro.
Oh, my bad then . Apologies @MDFC Manager
So, there are journalists who have free voices?
(In the British media - yeah?)
Sounds promising. I would like to believe that.
(I have a much harder time to believe it for Qatari journalists.)
As for "large media corporations", I not only believe they have an agenda - I know for a fact that they do. But that was never the question, was it?
Didn’t Celtic get fined because it’s fans were waving the Palestinian flag? So let’s be honest, the LGBT logo is more about the political statement and not the clothing. It happens to be a political statement the Qatari don’t want being advertised. Instead of fining people they simply asked them to remove it or denied them access to the stadium.
Wearing their clothing of choice ? Isn’t in parts of Europe where the face veil and a specific type of swimming outfit is banned?
In Qatar no outfit is banned. There is a minimum decency level. Just like in the U.K. you’d get arrested for walking around naked, Qatar also has a threshold. If you look at most of the female fans they are dressed just like they’d normally be dressed in the West. Jeans, t-shirt etc.
The standard should be one to accommodate the social norms of where a vast majority of participant nation fans are from, which means choosing a host nation that isn't going to deviate from that. Likewise, hosting it Europe should also mean not banning Muslim garb.
In regards to homosexuality being banned, it’s ironic but in one of the next host countries of the 26 WC. 14 of its states have similar anti sodomy laws to Qatar. Legally they can no longer be enforced due to federal laws passed in the last 20 years, so it’s kind of similar to Qatar’s what goes on in private we won’t act against policy. I do wonder if in the next WC people will be making a political point.
There are all kinds of draconian laws on the books in the US that are never enforced because social norms have moved on and politicians couldn't be arsed to get into fights about changing old, antiquated 19th century laws. Therefore they languish in obscurity. The prevailing social norm however is that its completely acceptable and there are gay members in Biden's cabinet, as well as the US Senate. Something one may not see in the likes of Qatar or its neighbors.
I’ve never been so maybe my perception of the USA is as wildly off the mark as many people’s perception of Qatar is. But from my understanding, it varies by state. So a fan at the 2026 WC who wears the LGBT flag in say San Francisco or New York could have a hugely different experience to one who wears it in, say, Texas. I’m not talking about the legality here, I’m talking about the experience. But also as we see and hear laws and norms vary wildly from state to state.
You really don't know what you're talking about here. Apples to bicycles.
So what you’re saying is that the laws and social norms across the various US states are all uniform ? That’s good to know eg any weed smokers won’t have any issues regardless of whether they’re in California or Arkansas.
No, there’s not a theocratic-derived national law against homosexuality. That’s the difference, we don’t let our laws get subsumed by the fallacy of fundamentalist religion.
You’d also be extremely surprised at some of the states that have legalized pot.
Again, you just don’t know what you are talking about.
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It was empty all in the bottom middle. But yeah, it was full of fans, like we saw everywhere. Shame I didn’t see all of this real fans from India supporting their teams, France and Argentina in the stadium.
Great World Cup, the stadiums were packed, everyone was welcome. Let’s give the next one to Saudi Arabia or North Korea.
Ah, and thanks for counting the exact numbers of empty sits during the game.
Maybe they are dumb enough to spend the little they have to make it for the event ?
I prefaced by saying I’ve never been so happy to be wrong. Although I am surprised that you disagree so strongly with my suggestion that laws & social norms vary across various US states. But like I said happy to be wrong. During the WC26 members of the LGBT community will be just as safe in San Francisco as they are in Texas, can only be a good thing.
Different discussion but a lot of your policies are actually driven by a “fallacy of fundamentalist religion” hence why the term “neo con” exists.
What a dumb post.
I saw an interview where someone from Argentina said they gave up their entire life savings to make the trip to Qatar. That being said, I imagine most of the fans (like the Mexico fans) were wealthy professional from Argentina/Mexico that could well afford the trip.
Again, there’s no idiotic, top down, fundie theocratic pressure in this country against homosexuality. We actually just passed national legislation strengthening LGBTQ rights vis à vis marriage. There’s obviously cultural differences regarding LGBTQ issues within the country, but, as the games will only be played in major cities, the cultural differences felt between venues will be minor.
Those were the seats that were empty after half time for about 5-7 minutes. Then they got refilled as people returned.
You hear those stories every world cup where a fan sells up everything to go watch their team. It's not the norm though, but a story that will make headlines.
I am curious to learn how tickets were distributed. I assume the nation in the games get an allotment of tickets that the fans of that country work through but what about the thousands of Argentina fans over in the France sections? I am fascinated by logistical crap like that (similar to the Dutch fans at an F1 race, I wonder how they get tickets for those blocks of seats).
May you live long and your grave is full of all the riches you have mustered.
No man, I just prefer spend my money for my kids and wife. A football game is great but is futile. If you are rich, why not, but to spend the extra money you have on it instead of say founding a learning trip for your kid… well, to me there is much more important. But what do I know, I am an humble teacher so I won’t spend my savings to watch an expensive trip for a game.
What a dumb answer.
In France's case the fans simply didn't turn up and there were plenty of Argentina fans ready to snap up the tickets.
My family is full of teachers. I assure you they mimic exactly what you've just said in your post. I'm not going to say what they really are when it comes to spending money out of respect. They're a special breed.
But how? Do they go on a public sale or is there a tout/scalper market where the tickets were listed?
The majority of tickets are sold before the tournament starts, a portion available to anyone via FIFA and a portion given to each qualifying nation - some are held back and distributed to the nations that go further, it is up to each FA to decide how to distribute those tickets
Also a large percentage given to corporates and the 'FIFA family'
We bought ours well in advance through the website.
On the ground there were FIFA ticket offices scattered around Doha, I never had to go in one but there were always queues at them, I'm assuming they would have been exchanged/bought there.
Also if your team got knocked out you could return them, others would just sell them on the street for profit.
Ahhh, that makes sense. I guess there are people that travel hoping to get tickets but settle for the fan zone if they can't.
If that’s what gives someone value and they value it more than the sum they had. Who’s anyone to judge?
For me I wouldn’t sell everything to go watch a match across the world, but I also acknowledge that I’m not in that situation and don’t know if I’d think the same if I was in that person’s shoes.
The rules were relaxed to allow people to travel without a ticket and a lot travelled taking the chance they would get one. If not they ended up in the fanzones like you have pointed out.
Also as Rood pointed out above each qualifying country would have had a quota, if that wasn't fulfilled I would assume the tickets would just go onto general sale.
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Ye lots of black market ticket sales I expect
A good majority Asian ( Indian and Arabic ). France did not get much support from that fan base. Almost all of Qatar was behind Messi and Argentina.
Excellent conversation.
This is also true.
Yeah, but those are your life choices and others have theirs so it's a bit strange to call people who spend money to see their team dumb or call them dumb choices.
Some moderators here can't accept any other views apart from theirs. Just like Qatar or any other dictatorial regimes. There is racism and probably islamaphobia here.
There is certainly a double standard here. If the WC can't be held in Qatar because of their human rights situation then most countries should not be able to hold it. Everyone should have their rights. The rights not to be killed while asleep in bed by a drone strike too.
There is certainly a double standard here. If the WC can't be held in Qatar because of their human rights situation then most countries should not be able to hold it. Everyone should have their rights. The rights not to be killed while asleep in bed by a drone strike too.