Doesn't surprise me - I like the Scandinavians in general, but especially the Norwegians
Quarter Final 3: England vs Norway at Hard Rock Stadium Miami at 10 PM BST, Saturday 11 July
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Great input. Newbies beg for the ability to make posts like this.
Just taking Jude’s approach. Much easier.
As for Gordon, I think he's played well, but his wanting to come inside all the time has made us very predictable - our team really needs a full-back getting beyond him.
Every single time the ball came out to him in space on the left side Norway just left him to it knowing that he wouldn't run into the space they left and instead would just amble forward, wait for his teammates and the defence to catch up and then cut back and pass it backwards. Watch next game for it - acres of space when ball is played out to him, half heartedly jogs forward, cut back, pass it backwards. Happens multiple times a game.
FIFA gave a peace prize to Trump. Let's trust their judgement. It's not like they would prefer to admit to wrongdoing in a quarter-final.
Let’s not then and just make up what we think is right to suit our own narratives
Couldn't help it. We're not used to QF in football, so a little bitterness is allowedThought the Scandi lads were supposed to be good sports
I still think England have looked quite poor though.
I'm replying a lot in these threads feeling hard fought by the refs. But I still admit that England put up a good fight, and we should have overcome them if we wanted to make it through. There's margins at this level, and it wasn't on our side. My only objection is to the English fans who won't admit that there was some luck to their win in getting away with some things.
If your happiness is dependent on whether a sensor in a ball can detect a camera cable, perhaps you don't really like football all that much. You might be destined for the legal profession instead.
Did it hit a UAP maybe....or did a UAP make it change direction.
I don't think any England fans think that though. It was a very tight game that we edged, I thought England were the better side first half, then had a bad ten minute wobble where Norway scored and then should have scored again. 2nd half Norway were the better side, and then ET I thought England were the better side.
Of course we had some luck.
You just seem annoyed we don't think it's an absolute fact the ball hit the cable or whatever, but there's no real evidence for it. You act like it's clear and obvious.
I readily admit that we can't blame it on that alone and we should have won anyway, but it wasn't the only decision that felt hard fought against us.
That said, my job is proofreading and negotiating contracts. ("Business development")
The videos from different angles acts like it drops unusually down compared to the angle it had coming out from the goalkick.
England were definitely lucky and the game could have been over in the first half if Sorloth squares the ball to Haaland. If England go 2-0 down, I don't see us getting back into it. We looked the weaker team for quite some time after the goal.
On the whole, I didn't think England's performance was great. I didn't like the lack of control in midfield, I thought several players could have done more, and we are too reliant on Bellingham and Kane to produce something.
It definitely was a game full of decisions. The penalty looked like one in real time from the initial angle, but it's clear that there was a mistake there and the player was looking for it. The right decision was made eventually.
Likewise, the right call in my opinion was made with the Haaland shove for Norways's disallowed goal. However, I will say that refereeing and decision making regarding pushing and shoving at corners has been an issue all season and has been terribly inconsistent. It is a foul, but I daresay that there are some weeks where that goal would have stood. It shouldn't, and it should be a foul every week.
With the second half, I was expecting a Norway winner and wouldn't have begrudged you the win had it come. Our midfield was a right mess and there was too much chopping and changing without us having any control. We looked worse imo when Rice came off, even if he wasn't having a particularly strong game. Very disappointed Mainoo didn't come on at some point in that second half.
On the whole, a very tight game and closer than I wanted it to be. But then, that's where your star players step up and produce something. Bellingham is just something else. Carrying the team.
Day after the night before.
I think we were better in the 1st quarter and 4th quarter (I hate calling it that). Norway had a good spell in the middle and probably had slightly the best chances to win the game.
And we were much better in extra time. Norway faded quite hard towards the end.
On the main talking points-
Sky camera - probably hits it - it’s one of those things
Haaland foul - it’s still a foul
Spence penalty - still think that’s a penalty
I think we were better in the 1st quarter and 4th quarter (I hate calling it that). Norway had a good spell in the middle and probably had slightly the best chances to win the game.
And we were much better in extra time. Norway faded quite hard towards the end.
On the main talking points-
Sky camera - probably hits it - it’s one of those things
Haaland foul - it’s still a foul
Spence penalty - still think that’s a penalty
I think it's mental with all the cameras and technology in the stadium, the best they can do is some grainy zoomed in sasquatch type footage, that proves absolutely nothing.
If the ball can pick up a touch off an individual hair on the Croatian player, surely it would pick up contact with a steel cable. It should also have been obvious to anyone watching the flight of the ball from the ground, including the ref if it changed and just dropped.
But if you look at the players on the ground, none of them react, or change their movement as the ball drops.
If the ball can pick up a touch off an individual hair on the Croatian player, surely it would pick up contact with a steel cable. It should also have been obvious to anyone watching the flight of the ball from the ground, including the ref if it changed and just dropped.
But if you look at the players on the ground, none of them react, or change their movement as the ball drops.
Cheers, mate. I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis. England did well and the result is on the whole not unfair.
It could have gone a quite different direction. But it didn't. That's the issue many have had with the game. Consistency. VAR was supposed to solve that. It hasn't. I don't have the solution right now.
I'm heartbroken though, so right now I hope the left side of the bracket wins out. But I hope you smash Argentina. If not I will be even more heartbroken for the what if.
I can't believe people are still saying it hits a wire, if you look at the video with the zoom in in the ball trajectory it's quite clear what happens:
Congrats to England. Was a real nailbiter and people moaning about ref/VAR/cables are just bitter and/or deluded
What decides the game is Sørloth fecking up in the 43rd minute, either he passes or he goes on the outside, instead he does...that
Now you better bring it home
What decides the game is Sørloth fecking up in the 43rd minute, either he passes or he goes on the outside, instead he does...that
Now you better bring it home
He might well be weak, a pathetic weaky weakling with weak arms and a weak body. But his team are in the semis so I doubt he gives a shit.
At least Haaland has extra time he can spend looking in the mirror and flexing at how big and strong he is. Although he probably had time to do that when he was subbed off after providing absolutely nothing the entire game.
Just saw extended highlights, not sure how I missed it but:
The first England goal shouldn't have stood with the ball hitting the camera wire. But regardless, Norway had plenty time to stop it so it's not a big deal.
The bigger one was Konsa pushing Berge when Norway hit the bar. Berge was scoring that rebound and Konsa is lucky to not give away a penalty and get sent off, exactly the same as the game against Ghana.
But that's football, things go for you and against you.
The first England goal shouldn't have stood with the ball hitting the camera wire. But regardless, Norway had plenty time to stop it so it's not a big deal.
The bigger one was Konsa pushing Berge when Norway hit the bar. Berge was scoring that rebound and Konsa is lucky to not give away a penalty and get sent off, exactly the same as the game against Ghana.
But that's football, things go for you and against you.
Norway played well for large spells of the game but I just felt it was inevitable we were going to win, even when Bellingham scored the winner nobody looked surprised.
I think you’re fine to feel that way. I usually do in a tight game.
That said there were no huge injustices or conspiracies really. Both teams had margins go their way to some degree. England were there for the taking though in the second half and I’m sure it will irritate.
I thought that Konsa one was a penalty in real time, on replay it looked even more of a penalty.
Definitely got away with one there.
The Norway disallowed goal, it's a foul, soft maybe, but it's a foul, the rules were changed to allow that to be brought back before the ball is kicked.
The big moment was Sorloth's decision not to put Haaland in. Absolutely ridiculous from him, no idea what he was thinking. That's probably 2-0 and at that point it would have been incredibly difficult to see England getting back into it.
I think people are under estimating the mentality of this team under Tuchel, I think even if Norway go 2-0 up we'd still do enough to at least get to extra time.
He's the Norwegian Milan Baros. Plays with his head down. He probably didn't even see Haaland until it was too late.
It never touched the cable
I think that Norway team is too honest. It's an admirable quality in many ways but it didn't help them last night.
Looking back at the highlights, not one Norway player appealed about the ball hitting a cable in the build up to England's first goal (of course, maybe it didn't touch the cable!) but you know if it was the other way round, Kane would have been surrounding the ref demanding that VAR intervene to overturn the goal.
Similarly, neither Berge nor any other Norwegian player appealed for a penalty. Again, Kane would have rolled around on the ground until VAR intervened.
You could say Haaland's honesty cost City the title too. If he had gone to ground when Gabriel headbutted him, that was Gabriel gone for the rest of the season, and probably costs Arsenal the title. Instead he's too honest and has too much pride to go down.
Admirable qualities for sure, but they're flying home today.
Second half was very poor from England. That level would not cut it against the other three for sure.
Had to chuckle when Bellingham said Nyland had a "worldie." Was trying to think of any saves he made bar the two goals so another gutsy England display that didn't really have much creativity at all bar a few dangerous Saka and Spence runs.
Only way England can win tournament is the way Portugal did in 2016 but Portugal defence was a genuine brick wall in those knock outs. England don't really have a Pepe at the back and can be got at if you move the ball quickly in midfield.
Had to chuckle when Bellingham said Nyland had a "worldie." Was trying to think of any saves he made bar the two goals so another gutsy England display that didn't really have much creativity at all bar a few dangerous Saka and Spence runs.
Only way England can win tournament is the way Portugal did in 2016 but Portugal defence was a genuine brick wall in those knock outs. England don't really have a Pepe at the back and can be got at if you move the ball quickly in midfield.
4 days of rest seems brutal with how the matches are played today. 100++ mins under normal time and most are extended into extra time.
Don't be silly, I've seen the replay
To be fair a big part of why it's 100+ minutes is because we don't stop the clock during their lengthy water breaks.
There's zero evidence whatsoever the ball actually touches the cable, unless you're into Bigfoot sighting style footageDon't be silly, I've seen the replay
Mate, either you're messing about or you're blind. Just check X or Insta and you'll see it.
I'm in camp England but I'll call it as I see it.
Norway's team did the country proud. I noticed the same. But yes, honesty doesnt always pay off. Im thinking this WC may have bring some positive change in that very regard but then I look at that Paraguayan "performance", and unfortunately that kind of stuff will peg us back.
There is a video still that appears to show the ball striking the cable....Its not super easy to see from the original broadcast but if you track the path of the ball, it does appear to dip suddenly more like a rock then follow its anticipated path.
Edit: there is a BBC 3D replay that confirms it. You can also tell from the players going for the goalkick...they are anticipating one further down the pitch but suddenly the England players jumps forward because of it.
Edit: there is a BBC 3D replay that confirms it. You can also tell from the players going for the goalkick...they are anticipating one further down the pitch but suddenly the England players jumps forward because of it.
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The biggest injustice for me is the treatment of shoving in the box. Looking at the replays, Berge gets shoved *and* takes an elbow to the head at a corner. If Haaland's push on Anderson was enough to disallow a goal, that should have been enough for a penalty.
That being said, Sørloth really fecked up a golden opportunity to go two up right before the break, which was probably, on balance, the bigger difference maker. Nyland bungled it when England went up 2-1, but we looked well and truly gassed by that point and I think we'd have struggled to see it out anyway.
It has absolutely hit something, there's no way four different players completely misread the flight of the ball like that otherwise.
However, it's a bit like that Sesko 'handball' against Liverpool, if you can't find definitive evidence that it's happened in reasonable time, you can't disallow the goal.
However, it's a bit like that Sesko 'handball' against Liverpool, if you can't find definitive evidence that it's happened in reasonable time, you can't disallow the goal.
You'll have a wank?