Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Ødegaard, Sep 8, 2019.
Agreed. Thread is quite the trainwreck. Very sad to see.
Yep, it's full of the 'I'm not racist, but..' types.
So many things wrong with this post but the BIB is the worst. You are basically saying that racism doesn’t exist because there are black doctors
Some of these posts are concerning, a professional athlete should never, never, never, have to consider his position in making a decision based on the relativity of discrimination and abuse. He / she shouldn't have to because it's a formality that should not be there to begin with, two wrongs don't make a right.
Lukaku getting racially abused in Italy doesn't leave the impetus on him, the fault lies solely with the ethical standards set by the fans aswell as the neighbouring communities and societies. Serie A superiors are pathetic and the club's are pathetic too. Silence often speaks louder than the recognition of a voice, the fact these clubs seemingly have no voices concerning the state of decay their fans prevail in is a disgrace. UEFA can also be thrown into that category another joke of an organisation.
Imagine genuinely thinking Tommy Robinson is really just upset by the Koran ...
The smiley indicates that my response was tongue in cheek. I'm surprised that you're responding in this way when I've clearly backtracked and accepted your point.
This has to be one of the most ignorant posts on herr on a long while. There are many racists in the UK. I personally more than a few who have moved cities because they dont want to live near and associate with black/ brown people. Racism is very much alive. Take it from someone who knows. Its not some kind of fringe element. Its everywhere.
You need to be more enlightened.
But no one is saying Northern Europe is more racist than the rest of the world, people are focused on Italy right now because of their nonchalent attitude towards racist abuse. Again, racism is not the number one factor for people moving to Northern Europe. People will put up with a lot for a livable wage and an opportunity at healthcare, just to name a couple of things far more important than racism.
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Class of 2019 > Class of 92.
Gotta make sure the Cafe’s youngsters get bedded into the first team in true United fashion...
The US gets a huge number of immigrants yearly, do you think there's no racism related problems in the US? I'm not saying Northern Europe has a big racism problem because I've never been there, I'm just saying your statement is not evidence to the contrary.
It is actually heartbreaking. Very sad to hear that. Sounds like there's hope in the younger generation.
It’s a disgrace but ultras do target the weakest point of every opponent all the time: Schillaci the hero of Italy WC 90 was always abused as a thief of car tyres (his brother did actually do that for a living at home in Sicily), Baresi was always abused as the dumb husband because of his coloured first son (ultras wisdom being he was the legit son of Gullit, probably true).
Italy do not have the historical background to know what racism is, it being a white, catholic country from jewish Roman-Greek roots, so the abuse to Lukaku actually ignores all the nuances you can understand from Britain and the US.
On the other hand, the upper stance from English posters here vilifying Italy as a country is pretty terrible, you just have to look at the ghettos in your cities with muslims, asians, blacks and withes all living separated (London being the globalist exception), or the awful scandals perpetrated by your gov with your own immigrants (Windrush, sexual gangs, etc.), or the torrent of abuse you post daily on this same forum against any kind of perceived diversity.
Come on, you are just having a far worse and clownish string of governments than us these days and sadly replacing us as the laughing stock of the enlightened West. So, please, be considerate, things happen without depth more often than not, many times it is just plain stupidity from small groups of duckheads. Thanks.
You’d think Italians would have moved on from attitudes of minorities from 40 years ago.
Stopped reading after the insinuation that being black is anyone's "weakest point".
Stupid post, Italy has a huge problem with racism, huge even in comparison to Britain, posters like you who try to wilfully side step the issue are a problem also, Italy has been dealing with people of African heritage literally for thousands of years, it had the biggest empire in the world ffs, to paint that as an excuse sounds similar to the ultras of Inter.
I think you misunderstood him. He means that all proffesional footballers are used to verbal abuse by opposition fans. They learn to deal with it and have a mental shield, so that the opppstion fans cant get under their skin. So opposition fans wil look for the weakest point of that mental shield. just a bad choise of words.
Juventini defending Inter Ultras behaviour on racist. What a shocker.
Racist abuse is commited by racists there are no exceptions and no excuses. It always needs to be called out for what it is.
Whether Italy is racist or not, the problem is the power of the ultras.
They would have to kick them all out of the stadium and the problem would end in a 90% since nobody alone in the middle of the crowd, without the group protection, will start to throw bananas or peanuts or imitate a monkey.
Barcelona and Madrid did it, not without difficulty since the tentacles of these groups reach even people of the boards
hmm let me think, the migration to the UK from the commonwealth in the 60s, no wonder they all cam up here, all that bunting everywhere and such a special welcome with the no dogs, no irish, no blacks signs
What the peoples party in Denmark which for the past decade polled consistently around 25% of the vote. a right wing party with its central policy being anti-immigration and anti multiculturalism (although its support has dropped in the last year).
If people are going to add their tuppence worth when it comes to racism, then please try to not just regurgitate this sort of nonsense.
Nothing sounds more stupid as people from racist countries, trying to defend continuous racism from their people. That's not patriotism, its hypocrisy. And you wonder what these dunder heads are teaching their children at schools and their homes..
Right-wing propaganda is a helluva drug
Don't get me wrong, we have an immeasurable number of issues with discrimination in this country but the nightmarish image you're painting here is just a montage of Daily Mail and Sun clippings being held together with a litre of Rupert Murdoch's dried spunk.
As much as I hate ultras and other extreme supporter groups (because you just know They're daft and uneducated), every club have them and it's hard to tell which cnuts decide to be dickheads on matchday. They don't even have to belong to a group to be racist.
We had people singing about his c*ck and it could be classified racism as well (or at least very disturbing and showing a lack of intelligence). We have our share of idiots. As for Demba Ba's letter, such supporters do not exist only in Italy. Serie A just need to be more strict with the rules and supporter bans.
Trainwreck of a post.
I find it highly sickening that in this day and age, with advancements in science that discovered the history of evolution and the human race all coming from a single point in heritage, how can anyone have issues with skin colour as a means to cause abuse.
Skin colour should be as irrelevant as hair colour, eye colour ect. It makes no difference to the person, in who they are and how they should be treated.
As I have never come under any racist attack i would be very interested to know/ understand the mindset of some who gets racially abused. And would like to strike up a conversation maybe as to their view on recieving and handling racism.
Anyone with a brain can work out what racism is.
That's such drivel. Even if someone lives in the most racist country in the world, he still would be well within his rights to criticize racism in Italy.
Feck you mate
We've let them into our government
I'm not sure it's even a minority anymore actually
Salvini is hugely popular, even with the russian connections and corruption scandals that rocked his party and forced them to step down from government. And other fringe far-right parties are on the rise as well
Also yes, racism is very much an issue in everyday life. I'm not sure if it's more or worse than in other european countries, but it's certainly more overt than in most
Was wondering why this thread is 5 pages.
Atrocity of a post. Youre excusing racism and thats pretty despicable. People aren't too thick to know what racism is, they know. Are you Italian by any chance?
In Italy a lot of people don't actually. They assume racism=hate poc
They don't understand that the much more prevalent, pervasive racial prejudices and profiling are still racism
The Italian problem with immigrants (black immigrants on top, but also caucasians from eastern europe have their own peculiar ways) these days, which Salvini is exploiting for his own far right agenda, does not depend on skin colour: it is the perceived entitlement as charity tourists, it is the organised small extortions played at every traffic light and at entrance of every supermarket, it is the vulnerable menaces roaming near every train station, it is the small and big crimes perpetrated to survive, it is the untruthful playing of the refugee card coupled with the victim card when denied... these alienate the locals against immigrants, as it happens everywhere and every time (ities we were in the late ‘800s and esrly ‘900s, so we know ourselves). Again, it is not blackness with all its historical weight, Italians as a group do not know what it is and do not give a feck actually: you can be green, pink, yellow, brown, white... it is just the strong perception some do not want to play the same difficult game locals have to play to survive, in that helped by sly leftists who use complex migration waves to make business out of integration.
Be that as it may. They did it to Lukaku, because the color of his skin is black. Lukaku has feck all to do with people offering to clean your car window at a traffic stop. The only similarity he has to them is the color of his skin. It obviously depends on skin color, to say otherwise is either the everest of thickness, or a lie.
@Bepi quoting from your post "
>>>>On the other hand, the upper stance from English posters here vilifying Italy as a country is pretty terrible, you just have to look at the ghettos in your cities with muslims, asians, blacks and withes all living separated (London being the globalist exception)..<<<>
So theres muslim ghettos, then asian ghettos then black and white ghettos? Wtf? And what colour are the muslims in the muslim ghettos if they arent living in the white or black or asian ghettos..or is being muslim a separate race? At least this puts a different slant on the right wing trope about islamaphobia not being racism as islam is not a race.
Haha! Someone do the honors and post that Dennis Hopper monologue from True Romance.
Get your head out of your ass
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