Racism in Italy - even anti-racism is filled with racism

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Just waiting for their national team to show up in blackface, to "show support".
Thought about this too. Blackface is bound to happen at some point.
 

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I believe that would require change in legislation and redefinition of racism and hate crime. Never going to happen.

Perpetrators get a slap on the wrist, essentially, and released. So a few hundred quid, a handful of pints and some encouragement would likely be enough for a teenage dilinquent with racist tendencies.



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Not sure it requires a change in legislation, it is more a change of a process. Then again I am no legal expert. As for redefining the definition of racism, I think you are just digging.

My point is saying a slap on the wrist is not enough, I may not have the solution but whatever the rules are now is clearly not working. If we continue the way we are now we will never progress. Up to the governing boards to do something because campaigns by Sterling etc really have no effect.
 

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I don’t need to get into this. I just can’t see where you are coming from.
No lets leave it. You have no true understanding of the topic if you think calling somebody 'coloured' would get your head kicked in.

Not sure it requires a change in legislation, it is more a change of a process. Then again I am no legal expert. As for redefining the definition of racism, I think you are just digging.

My point is saying a slap on the wrist is not enough, I may not have the solution but whatever the rules are now is clearly not working. If we continue the way we are now we will never progress. Up to the governing boards to do something because campaigns by Sterling etc really have no effect.
IIRC magistrates prosecute under the Public Order Act, racist and regligious hate crime. Monkey chant isn't classified as hate under CPS guidelines, so doesn't qualify for maximum sentence. They prosecute under harassment with races being a aggravating factor (which allows them to increase the sentence)

I may be wrong, but I beleive its 12 weeks maximum or upto £1000 fine.
 

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The artist is daft and to think He was about to get loadsamoney out of these 'anti racism' designs. The FA is worse for approving his works.

At a news conference on Monday, artist Simone Fugazzotto, who always uses monkeys in his work, said: "For an artist there is nothing more important than trying to change the perception of things through his own work.

"I've always been painting monkeys for five to six years, so I thought I'd make this work to teach that we're all apes, I made the western monkey with blue and white eyes, the Asian monkey with almond-shaped eyes and the black monkey positioned in the centre, where everything comes from. The monkey becomes the spark to teach everyone that there is no difference, there is no man or monkey, we are all alike. If anything we are all monkeys."

So the easiest way to stop offending a certain group of people is by offending all people? What an idiot. I mean okay, He has his own interpretation of the picture (cough.. cough.. I mean He's THE artist). For him it's to help kick out racism but how daft can you be to use an object that have been strongly linked to 'being racist' as the main focus in anti racism campaign designs, without any additional text/context whatsoever. A picture of monkeys are what ordinary people see.

"Kick out abuse, We're all abused" doesn't make sense to me.
 

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If you say so. I’d get my head kicked in if I referred to a black person as coloured.
No lets leave it. You have no true understanding of the topic if you think calling somebody 'coloured' would get your head kicked in.
It depends where you are from. Calling someone coloured in South Africa is seen as perfectly acceptable term to refer to someone with mixed heritages.

In much of the US it is seen as offensive and very much associated with the Jim Crow laws, with signs at drinking fountains and on public transport for example that used to read "Whites only" or "Colored only"

In the UK it's at best seen as an outdated and old fashioned term, but by many people it's seen as highly offensive and I can see why @Bocca9978 would not want to use it.

Of course people of any race are perfectly free to refer to themselves however they want, it doesn't mean others of the same or different heritage will see it in the same way though.
 

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The artist can be excused if you want to stretch it. Whoever thought looking for an artist that only draws apes is the real villain.
 

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Its becoming one big joke. I'd say I was appalled by it, but it honestly doesnt surprise me anymore. Put a group of uneducated people in power, and that's what you get.
 

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I think the first monkey is supposed to be Asian because the eyes are slanted, the second monkey black because the eyes are dark and the third monkey white because the eyes are blue.

Even the artists far too subtle messaging is based on racial stereotypes.
yes
 

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If a fan of United did that and we got docked 10 points because of it, you create a culture that it is wrong. I would be pissed that we have lost 10 points but happy to see something of more substance is being done to embed governance.
If you'll take points or disqualify a whole country because of it, the only reaction you'll get from them would be denial and anger (at you, not at racism).
 

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I decided to portray monkeys to talk about racism because they are the metaphor for human beings. Last year I was at the stadium to see Inter v Napoli [a match in which Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly was racially abused] and I felt humiliated, everyone was shouting 'monkey' at Koulibaly, a player I respect.
Now wait until Inter fans tell Lukaku that the fans that call him a monkey are actually using monkeys as a metaphor for human beings :lol:
Jesus!
 

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The original campaign

 

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If you'll take points or disqualify a whole country because of it, the only reaction you'll get from them would be denial and anger (at you, not at racism).
Yeah that is the initial reaction of a child too to throw the toys out the pram. Eventually they learn right and wrong when it is enforced enough times.
 

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If you'll take points or disqualify a whole country because of it, the only reaction you'll get from them would be denial and anger (at you, not at racism).
That's fine, it's the early stages of their recovery. You don't just let the action go untreated.
 

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@duffer Yeah, we use the term "scimmia" to refer to all monkeys and apes. Technically apes are called "grande scimmia"("big monkey"), but they're commonly called monkeys

Wrt the #weareallmonkeys campaign(the one from the suarez-coutinho tweet), that was started by neymar and dani alves after an idiot in villarreal threw a banana at dani alves(and he reacted by taking a bite, because dani alves is a treasure). It was meant to take power away from that specific racist action. Basically what i'm saying is it made sense in context
 

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That really is something else :lol:

I mean the funny thing is that in it's own naive way the intentions were good, but it's so bizarrely inappropriate that it just makes a mockery of anti-racism.
 

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I can't imagine what it's like being a black player in Italy, horrible experience. Even your own teammates, fans and club officials are against you and think you are a crybaby. And the league comes up with monkey adverts. Unbelievable. I actually think foreign players and especially black players should boycott playing in Italy.
 
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I think the first monkey is supposed to be Asian because the eyes are slanted, the second monkey black because the eyes are dark and the third monkey white because the eyes are blue.

Even the artists far too subtle messaging is based on racial stereotypes.
:lol: OMG you're right; hadn't looked that closely before.

This is the most racist shit i've seen in a long while!
 

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Unbelievable really :lol: how on earth did that get from idea to execution without anyone thinking "maybe not the greatest idea"?

Reminded me of this classic PR disaster:

One has to wonder how many sets of internal eyeballs saw this, yet still signed off on it? This was incredible.
 

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I do think it's great to see the other players doing what they did. Footie players should stand together against that kinda shit. Don't know why the Italian fans kept whistling like a bunch of turds. Even if you don't understand why he got pissy and emotional at first - surely you d understand after you see the players reaching out to him.