Ralf Rangnick | Interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Kinda glad he is the intertim manager. Can you imagine a young manager like ETH coming into the squad and has to deal with craps from the media and several players wanting out/being vocal outside the pitch? it almost felt like he was being prepared to be a failure. Yet he's always looked calm and composed so far. We need an intertim like him before the new manager comes in.
 

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I do not understand how people are impressed. We have had pretty poor form since he took over.
Arsenal game was under Carrick and that is our best attacking performance.

We generally struggle in attack and are often saved by De Gea too. Most games been pretty even.

I think the Burnley game the only one we had a clear win, but did not actually create a lot. Just Mctominay having a great day.
For starters he stopped the leaky cauldron of the defense we had and stopped conceding 4 vs the likes of Watford. De Gea was having worldies even before he came. Didn't stop us looking like a bunch of mugs from the conference. Credit is where credit is due.

He also turned the atmosphere around. Instead of being entitled prima donnas, the players are now expected to behave like professional football players and follow instructions, press, etc instead of go our there and express themselves, etc

At the end of the day, he is an interim who was brought in a desperate state of a club, and managed to stabilize the team. The whole xG bullshit is absolutely irrelevant if he clinches Top4. He is an interim, so the new manager will deviate slightly from his style.

As for Carrick, he's not here. The man decided it's time for a vacation despite being part of the coaching team that led us into this mess. So instead of helping out Ralf till summer, he decided that now is the time to bail.

This might be controversial, but I think we can see where some of our players got their attitude from.

Memories seem to be short. Wasn't good results while not performing very well the trademark sign of our last managers reign? Why would we use xG against him but stop looking at it now?
Because he is an interim that will leave at the end of the season? The reason people used xG on Ole is because he was our permanent manager. As such it was as an indicator of improvement/regress. Personally I find the xG stat retarded.

In moments like these team morale beats any analytical indicator. That's how Ole got his job in the first place. That's how we had a couple of our memorable moments. The final of 99 for example. It's also how we crashed out of Europe on a couple of occasions: like vs Dortmund and vs Bayer Leverkusen.

If anything I would look at our teams dynamics and how the morale is. And everything points to it being on the up. We have a bit of momentum going. Provided we don't lose it by the end of the season that should be enough for us to clinch Top4.

Kinda glad he is the intertim manager. Can you imagine a young manager like ETH coming into the squad and has to deal with craps from the media and several players wanting out/being vocal outside the pitch? it almost felt like he was being prepared to be a failure. Yet he's always looked calm and composed so far. We need an intertim like him before the new manager comes in.
When ETH took over Ajax a couple of years back they were in a similar position. They were out of the title race, playing abysmal footie. The press was circling over "this man with a weird accent and no charima" like vultures. To this day they still do.

Well inspite all of this, he still managed to turn Ajax's fortunes around and get them within a couple of points away from the title. I can assure you he's not made of glass ;)
 

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Really like him so far. Speaks honestly and directly on the areas that the team need to improve on and seems to have an actual plan for how to make that happen.

Feels like the first manager since Fergie who seems to be watching the same match as the fans going off his post-match comments.
To be fair, Van Gaal was quite honest in his interviews too. He also had a clear idea of how he wanted us to play. He just failed in the executing.
 

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It’s madness to compare Ole to RRs brief period at a time when RR is coming in to change how we play.

he said his first priority is to improve defensively and we appear to be doing that.

he’ll likely then focus on implementing other aspects further up the pitch.

And to question his methods whilst only an interim also baffles me. Have people forgotten he’ll be moved upstairs to have an influence still on the nxt manager, the style of play and subsequent transfers.

I only see it as progress. Similar to citeh in a sense when they started on their journey ie that we finally appear to have a plan and a decorum of methodology.

under Ole and previous it all felt reactionary, just moving from one game to the nxt without too much thought
 

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It’s madness to compare Ole to RRs brief period at a time when RR is coming in to change how we play.

he said his first priority is to improve defensively and we appear to be doing that.

he’ll likely then focus on implementing other aspects further up the pitch.

And to question his methods whilst only an interim also baffles me. Have people forgotten he’ll be moved upstairs to have an influence still on the nxt manager, the style of play and subsequent transfers.

I only see it as progress. Similar to citeh in a sense when they started on their journey ie that we finally appear to have a plan and a decorum of methodology.

under Ole and previous it all felt reactionary, just moving from one game to the nxt without too much thought

Pretty much this although after the last few years I can see why people maybe fed up and finding it hard to believe what the club say.

I also read a piece a while ago about the Glaser's and what they implemented in their American football franchise which saw success. They pretty much bought in a Ralf type to help steer the club and it worked.

Whether Ralf works for us or not time will tell. However if they are doing similar them it offers hope
 

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If we buy good player, new manager most likely will like him. Otherwise, just sell. Selling good player is easy.
Just like Van der Beek? we don't make selling any players easy.
 

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This team struggles more against the easier games. Has done since Ole took over.

We seem to do better against Sides that will come and have a go at us. When they sit back and look to counter, we give the ball away too easily and can't reshape fast enough.
I agree, we have become somewhat of a game-raising team during our recent times of mediocrity (Ole's record against CIty and PSG spring to mind).

I was making the point that comparing our last 8 games directly with the last 8 games of other teams isn't always a fair comparison; as the difficulty of games varies. Rangnick's starting run of fixtures could have hardly been friendlier.
 

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I thought this little primer on Rangnick would also be of interest here:



Who doesn't enjoy a good documentary? I know I do. I especially love the ones that talk about the Before Times when we didn't have to buy air.

Anyway, Ralf Rangnick is known throughout the world as the Father of Gegenpressing. But what is Gegenpressing, and who really is Ralf Rangnick?

Please find the answer in our Football Forum friendly video, as we delve into a deep analysis of this Master Tactician...

 

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Because he is an interim that will leave at the end of the season? The reason people used xG on Ole is because he was our permanent manager. As such it was as an indicator of improvement/regress. Personally I find the xG stat retarded.
I'll let that speak for itself.

In moments like these team morale beats any analytical indicator. That's how Ole got his job in the first place. That's how we had a couple of our memorable moments. The final of 99 for example. It's also how we crashed out of Europe on a couple of occasions: like vs Dortmund and vs Bayer Leverkusen.

If anything I would look at our teams dynamics and how the morale is. And everything points to it being on the up. We have a bit of momentum going. Provided we don't lose it by the end of the season that should be enough for us to clinch Top4.
Awesome. xG is bullshitbut lets use terms like team dynamics and morale. Because it worked for Ole and who wouldn't want Ralf to copy these proven principles! Finally - dynamics and morale: something easy to measure so we can be sure the manager isn't just talking the talk.

I am glad that more and more objectivity finds its way into football. Of course, each stat only tells you a limited story but there are quite a few of them out there so for the person who is capable to work with them, they speak a certain language. I find it almost depressing, that so many people seem to feel intimidated by things like stats. Its probably connected to the fact, that stats these days are often used to prove a certain point. Often a point of an opinion that isn't ours. Because stats that fit our view aren't just stats, they are facts, right?

You want to go against xG and stats, good for you mate, you are up against the laws of sums and calculating averages. Really new age stuff, about time somebody acts out on these frauds. Good luck going up against it with "morale".

On a serious note: I get it, the manager change took a toll, some feel the need to calm everything down, no need for new criticism, way too complicated - let the gentile flower grow. Maybe I have to remind you, that talking about a perception doesn't need to be connected with a criticism of a person. I am totally in the Ralf camp ( I am sure the overwhelming majority is), and there are more than plausible claims that his plan is defense first, control second, attack when everything in check. I am cool with that. Still doesn't force me to hype up a certain performance as a turned tide just because we got a late winner in a tight game against a team above us in the table - even if it undeniably felt good.
 

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I'd be happy to see him stay longer to be honest.

You would think that after the whole Ole debacle, our board would have learned. You would think...

Awesome. xG is bullshitbut lets use terms like team dynamics and morale. Because it worked for Ole and who wouldn't want Ralf to copy these proven principles! Finally - dynamics and morale: something easy to measure so we can be sure the manager isn't just talking the talk.

I am glad that more and more objectivity finds its way into football. Of course, each stat only tells you a limited story but there are quite a few of them out there so for the person who is capable to work with them, they speak a certain language. I find it almost depressing, that so many people seem to feel intimidated by things like stats. Its probably connected to the fact, that stats these days are often used to prove a certain point. Often a point of an opinion that isn't ours. Because stats that fit our view aren't just stats, they are facts, right?

You want to go against xG and stats, good for you mate, you are up against the laws of sums and calculating averages. Really new age stuff, about time somebody acts out on these frauds. Good luck going up against it with "morale".

On a serious note: I get it, the manager change took a toll, some feel the need to calm everything down, no need for new criticism, way too complicated - let the gentile flower grow. Maybe I have to remind you, that talking about a perception doesn't need to be connected with a criticism of a person. I am totally in the Ralf camp ( I am sure the overwhelming majority is), and there are more than plausible claims that his plan is defense first, control second, attack when everything in check. I am cool with that. Still doesn't force me to hype up a certain performance as a turned tide just because we got a late winner in a tight game against a team above us in the table - even if it undeniably felt good.
:lol:

Good stuff mate. You sound like one of those "trust the science unconditionally" cultists. Also, xG isn't a "law for calculating averages".

And since you like to disregard morale as a new age concept, should I remind you that one of our greatest sides was literally built on this concept. Just because you can't quantify it or you can't understand it, doesn't mean you have to disregard it.

Morale plays a huge rule on battlefields for example, where the armies with the higher morale usually end up victorious despite being outnumbered. It's also a reason certain teams have an insane home record. Take Stamford Bridge under Mourinho's 1st tenure as an example.

Lots to talk about this, but this is a Ralf Rangnick thread, so let's stick to that.
 

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I'd be happy to see him stay longer to be honest.

Unless it's someone who has a very similar vision and would be happy to work in tandem with him and Murtough, I'd also much rather see him stay on. But if the club is floating this info out, that bodes pretty well for dressing room balance.
 

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I'd be happy to see him stay longer to be honest.

No, no, no. I like him but I also like his no bullshit approach and I think that would be very helpful at board level. Go for Ten Hag.

I don't believe the story anyway. We've had two wins in a row so the press swing wildly in the opposite direction.
 

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Think we could do with him staying a bit longer we are in s terrible state. But if Ten Hag is available get him in. Don't want to lose him to another club we have certainly fecked this up far too often.
 

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Good stuff mate. You sound like one of those "trust the science unconditionally" cultists. Also, xG isn't a "law for calculating averages".

And since you like to disregard morale as a new age concept, should I remind you that one of our greatest sides was literally built on this concept. Just because you can't quantify it or you can't understand it, doesn't mean you have to disregard it.

Morale plays a huge rule on battlefields for example, where the armies with the higher morale usually end up victorious despite being outnumbered. It's also a reason certain teams have an insane home record. Take Stamford Bridge under Mourinho's 1st tenure as an example.

Lots to talk about this, but this is a Ralf Rangnick thread, so let's stick to that.
Well, no general would give his armies the instructions "just want it more than your opponent! Be there. And don't forget to shoot" either. Morale surely is important but it's a concept that is much easier to grasp than tactical nuance, cohesiveness and patterns of play. Which is why it is used inflationary and very overrated these days.
 

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To be fair, Van Gaal was quite honest in his interviews too. He also had a clear idea of how he wanted us to play. He just failed in the executing.
I hear what you're saying but I do remember LVG frequently citing the reason we drew or lost was because we 'didn't take our chances'. Problem was we would literally create about 2 half chances per game. Grew very tiresome and was worryingly oblivious.
 

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I am glad that more and more objectivity finds its way into football. Of course, each stat only tells you a limited story but there are quite a few of them out there so for the person who is capable to work with them, they speak a certain language. I find it almost depressing, that so many people seem to feel intimidated by things like stats. Its probably connected to the fact, that stats these days are often used to prove a certain point. Often a point of an opinion that isn't ours. Because stats that fit our view aren't just stats, they are facts, right?

You want to go against xG and stats, good for you mate, you are up against the laws of sums and calculating averages. Really new age stuff, about time somebody acts out on these frauds. Good luck going up against it with "morale".
I don't think you have to turn it into this. A lot of people rather don't like stats because they prefer to view football in a more emotional/romanticized way - which is fine, just as it's fine that other people do like the data side of the sport.
Good stuff mate. You sound like one of those "trust the science unconditionally" cultists. Also, xG isn't a "law for calculating averages".

And since you like to disregard morale as a new age concept, should I remind you that one of our greatest sides was literally built on this concept. Just because you can't quantify it or you can't understand it, doesn't mean you have to disregard it.

Morale plays a huge rule on battlefields for example, where the armies with the higher morale usually end up victorious despite being outnumbered. It's also a reason certain teams have an insane home record. Take Stamford Bridge under Mourinho's 1st tenure as an example.
And this too: yes, morale matters, but so do stats. A top coach these they is definitely waist-deep in data and stats to better understand what's going on and how performances can be improved - including your beloved Ten Hag. It's part of thinking about tactics. I also wouldn't reduce any Ferguson side to 'built on morale'.

Anyway, before this goes on too long, it would be nice if we all gave each other a bit of space for different approaches. If you don't like the stats side, just ignore those posts.
 

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From what I’ve seen so far I’d like Ralf to stay about but I’d leave any decision until the end of the season and take stock of how we do between now and then. Will we get past Madrid? Top 4 and so on. The club don’t seem overly quick to back him in this window though.
 

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Good stuff mate. You sound like one of those "trust the science unconditionally" cultists. Also, xG isn't a "law for calculating averages".
Yep. The last thing we would want to do is something insane like believing in science and mathematics.

Morale plays a huge rule on battlefields for example, where the armies with the higher morale usually end up victorious despite being outnumbered. It's also a reason certain teams have an insane home record. Take Stamford Bridge under Mourinho's 1st tenure as an example.
Your understanding of military history is on a par with your understanding of football (not great, to be as kind as I can). If morale "usually" won battles, Kevin Keegan would be a general, we could save billions on guided weapons and Napoleon would be recognized as a cheerleader rather than as a tactician and logistics genius.

As for football, the whole history of the game is of innovations in tactics and systems that lead to teams dominating their rivals and the game evolving as a result. A clue that your theory of "morale" is deluded is that there are literally zero examples of an innovation in morale-boosting that revolutionized the game, whereas xG and other stats that have developed from it have already revolutionized player recruitment.

The fact that you are scared of maths, systems and science doesn't make you an expert in football. Quite the opposite.
 

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There’s definitely a sense that our board prefers the option that requires the least amount of effort from them.
 

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Refuse to believe it despite history suggesting it could be very true.
 

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I'd be disappointed but not surprised. It would take a properly impressive rest of the season for it to happen though. What we've seen thus far simply shouldn't justify such conversations.
 

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You would think that after the whole Ole debacle, our board would have learned. You would think...


:lol:

Good stuff mate. You sound like one of those "trust the science unconditionally" cultists. Also, xG isn't a "law for calculating averages".

And since you like to disregard morale as a new age concept, should I remind you that one of our greatest sides was literally built on this concept. Just because you can't quantify it or you can't understand it, doesn't mean you have to disregard it.

Morale plays a huge rule on battlefields for example, where the armies with the higher morale usually end up victorious despite being outnumbered. It's also a reason certain teams have an insane home record. Take Stamford Bridge under Mourinho's 1st tenure as an example.

Lots to talk about this, but this is a Ralf Rangnick thread, so let's stick to that.
What :lol: :lol:
 

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We're not going to make the same mistake as with Ole and throw a permanent contract at him before the end of the season at least. To be considered I imagine he would need to produce results all the way to the end of the season and not just till March like Ole did.
 

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You would think that after the whole Ole debacle, our board would have learned. You would think...


:lol:

Good stuff mate. You sound like one of those "trust the science unconditionally" cultists. Also, xG isn't a "law for calculating averages".

And since you like to disregard morale as a new age concept, should I remind you that one of our greatest sides was literally built on this concept. Just because you can't quantify it or you can't understand it, doesn't mean you have to disregard it.

Morale plays a huge rule on battlefields for example, where the armies with the higher morale usually end up victorious despite being outnumbered. It's also a reason certain teams have an insane home record. Take Stamford Bridge under Mourinho's 1st tenure as an example.

Lots to talk about this, but this is a Ralf Rangnick thread, so let's stick to that.
What a post :lol:
 

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Yea they do but theyd rather not have a manager that pushes for it.
That's just nonsense. You can find many reasons to blame our board. Lack of vision, no overarching plan, wrong people in decisive positions, Mates FC and so on, but a reluctance to spend big is certainly not one. Even though it gets mentioned time and time again.