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Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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It's fairly obvious he didn't want DvB - he'd have played him otherwise, Sancho I think he wanted, Ronaldo hard to tell, probably not but SAF wanted him and he wasn't gonna go against him
Yep exactly that, going on holiday with his mate Longstaff
https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/footba...to-replace-him-as-man-united-boss_475082.html
None of us know anything for certain, only sources and talks while the whole procedure was going on, and all those talks & sources clearly suggested Ralf pushing for ETH.
But it's funny to see all guys in here who are so upset at ralf because of his short and shite time here are 100% certain he had nothing to do with it and it was all a master stroke from richard arnold and murtogh...
Yeah well you have me there. I've backed the wrong horse in my time but wasn't in that 85%. What I mean is that he wasn't a choice from left field that they would have only interviewed because Ralf recommended him. I would go so far to say that I doubt they would have interviewed him based on that alone.
He was one of the main candidates spoken about in the press and all over social media. Given the people in charge, as you say, I personally believe that that would hold more sway with them than Ralph's opinion.
I can definitely see United trying it as their #1 priority in that case
Maybe I’m wrong but I think only Real Madrid, Barcelona and United are capable of still signing the best players when not in the CL and I don’t think Chelsea or Liverpool will be of appeal to him if they don’t qualify
Therefore I think United will see it as a one-off opportunity to sign him. And the only summer they could realistically do it
I find it amazing that people still believe he was highly influencial at exec level behind the scenes despite us paying millions to see the back of him.
Can we please forget about this guy? He was garbage and citing him as some sort of genius is the calling card of the wannabe football hipster moron.
Ten Hag is about to match his number of wins in half the amount of games.
The smartest thing Murtough did after hiring Ten Hag was cutting his losses with Ralf, rather than proceeding with his involvement to safe face.
Not because he wouldn’t have been useful (he actually would have been a great asset in a directorial capacity) but his background involvement after alienating 90% of the dressing room and delivering shit results and football would have undermined Ten Hag’s revamp.
Ten Hag is about to match his number of wins in half the amount of games.
The smartest thing Murtough did after hiring Ten Hag was cutting his losses with Ralf, rather than proceeding with his involvement to safe face.
Not because he wouldn’t have been useful (he actually would have been a great asset in a directorial capacity) but his background involvement after alienating 90% of the dressing room and delivering shit results and football would have undermined Ten Hag’s revamp.
To be fair I don't think the interviewer was the problem with Ronaldo, more so what he said.
But the facts are there was nothing official during his tenure or even rumours through the press after he left to suggest that the club ever intended to have Rangnick take up any sort of DOF role, de facto or otherwise. There's simply no evidence to support that.
I'll point out again mate the actual DOF personally hired him. Do you realistically see any scenario where Murtagh would bring in someone to secretly do his job for him and undermine his position at the club?
That doesn't make any sense, and it wouldn't make any sense if it had been the club that wanted Ralf to do Murtagh's job for him either. As if they thought Murtagh wasn't experienced enough they would have just moved him on and hired Ralf as DOF without any smoke and mirrors nonsense.
Ralf was hired as an experienced short term coach for 6 months to steady the ship after Ole's sacking. The consultancy job was obviously just a sweetener to make up for the 2 year contract he was walking away from in Russia. It's no coincidence the contract United agreed with him was for 2 years. That's all there was to it.
You don't think Murtagh and Arnold could have hired a competent person to fill a position without the input of Ralf Rangnick?
How do the myths around his supposed role still live on? They don't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny.
Remember when people were pissy with ETH for refusing to meet with Ralf and rejecting his list of suggested transfer targets?
Remember when people were pissy with ETH for refusing to meet with Ralf and rejecting his list of suggested transfer targets?
I was one of them.
Sorry.
Rangnick is awesome. Whatever your feelings about him, his time here was very opportune - it meant we didn't jump the gun on Conte and it also meant we had to move on from Ralf for ETH instead of prolonging an interim managers tenure for several years too long like with Ole because of flukey new manager bounce.
Also, I love that Ralf really set things in motion for Ronaldo's departure. Even more awesome is how much Ralf riles up "fans" to this day simply by existing
Also, I love that Ralf really set things in motion for Ronaldo's departure. Even more awesome is how much Ralf riles up "fans" to this day simply by existing
I think it's both. Piers is pure filth and he hates us. Everything in that interview including the choice of the interviewer was meant to cause maximum damage
I was never a big fan of this theory tbh. First of all we know how the Glazers operate. In their opinion 30m-40m is better in the bank then on the pitch which means that if the manager doesn't want a player then he wouldn't be signed. Secondly signing an understudy for Bruno made sense as he was being run to the ground. Ole still ran the Portuguese to the ground but that's what Ole did irrespective on the players form or/and if he had cover (and tbh VDB is nowhere near as good as Bruno is). He did the same for Rashford and Maguire and he had ample cover especially for the former.
We can say a lot about our choice of managers (which apart from ETH were horrible) but Ole was among the most backed of them all which is bewildering considering that there was absolutely nothing that showed that he was an EPL level manager.
He was easily one of the worst things which happened to the club. It's clear that ETH knew this as soon as he joined the club and refused to give him anytime and didn't wanted to discuss anything with him.
Absolute fraud Rangnick.
Absolute fraud Rangnick.
All reliable sources were saying clubs first choice was Poch...
Also Murtough was the one who personally was kissing Ralfs arse and had multiple meetings with him begging him to come here as an intrerim, Ralf was hesitant at first so Murtough threw in a 2 year consultancy role to convince him!
Does that not answer your own question?
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Massive hyperbole. He was here for roughly 6 months... Signed no players and moved on in the summer. The damage the previous managers did to this club is far worse than anything Rangnick did.
Yeah choosing to go with Morgan was definitely significant and he definitely had an influence over what was said and certainly how the information was presented before the full interview went out. Regardless of what was said being interviewed by Morgan would have left a sour taste at the very least.
He was bad, but it was a symptom of our pillar to post "strategy" over the last ... 8-10 years, panic decision after panic decision. Rangnick on his own wasn't a bad idea, making him manager was. Ole needed a Rangnick like 2 years prior to getting sacked, EtH doesn't really. We bounced around with managers of completely different ideologies, LVG's system isn't a million miles away from ETH's, Mourinho would have suited that ageing SAF squad real well, not what he inherited.
Someone should be planning for EtH to go in the next 2-5 years right now and getting Poch or some other random name just cause we they happen to be unemployed right now, isn't the right answer. Ironically Rangnick would be pretty good at that given his track record.
The man simply didn't heh enough
Every time there's a bump in this thread I think he proclaimed he suggested some player to be bought.
Ralf is so shit that he don’t even get the obligatory “flukey new manager bounce”. Fans were not riled by him, he was here for a short while and good riddance. It’s those apologists trying to push any form of credit to him riling people up. Typical cultish shit. At least for Mourinho & Ronaldo, you can understand why there were fanboys and brain dead followers because they were very successful and top in their trade. But Ralf Rangnick?!?!?Rangnick is awesome. Whatever your feelings about him, his time here was very opportune - it meant we didn't jump the gun on Conte and it also meant we had to move on from Ralf for ETH instead of prolonging an interim managers tenure for several years too long like with Ole because of flukey new manager bounce.
Also, I love that Ralf really set things in motion for Ronaldo's departure. Even more awesome is how much Ralf riles up "fans" to this day simply by existing
Yet to see how anything RR said that was incorrect. The core of the team he was given and had no choice but to work with were trouble makers and players lowering standards generally. He had no power to change that. He also had no long term power to get players on board with his ideas as they knew he was leaving - Rashford had an appalling attitude last year let’s not forget that…no work rate whatsoever.
ETH has been given full control and has done nothing that RR was not talking about doing - we did/do need 10 new players- we brought in 6 so far!. The trouble makers and those lowering standards have been sold or loaned or frozen out or reduced to bit part roles(Ronaldo/Lingard/Henderson/Telles/Sancho/Maguire/McT/). The ones who just weren’t feeling it and being unprofessional were told who was in charge and they have reacted well (Rashford/Shaw/AWB/Martial). Most importantly, the core of the team has changed - as recommended by RR. All the purchases made by ETH are first name on the team sheet type players.
Ok, we didn’t buy the players RR recommended but that’s managerial preference. But isn’t that one of the few criticisms levied at ETH - that he loves going Dutch or has to know the player? In additions, Had we of bought some of RRs suggestions: Gvardiol, Nkunku, Sesko, Alvarez, Diaz, BellaKotchhamp (?)…I doubt many fans would have had an issue - all turning out to be decent calls.
The issue with RR was the ridiculous concept of how his tenure would work. Luckily, ETH came in and had his own ideas. But Ifor one will remain great full to RR for calling out the absolute shit show that was our club during and after Ole. Never, in 30 years…have I felt so disconnected with a bunch of Utd players. Lazy overpaid wasters. RR was the first to say it like it was.
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Come on now. Why are you guys so mad towards him, he's gone. He was only an intertim as well. Move on.
I love him, really riled up the situation and don't think we get ETH without him.
Well no it doesn't. I don't see how your framing an interview process for an interim manager as arse kissing and begging has anything to do with the appt of a permanent manager months later at all, no.
ETH's name was in the frame from the get go along with Poch, Enrique and possibly Rodgers (
) iirc.Yes, Poch was supposedly the favourite early on before the interviews were conducted, a process Ralf wasn't involved in by his own admission.
Once they interviewed Ten Hag they were seriously impressed by what Ten Hag had to say. The idea that he's only here or only got an interview because of Ralf is a bit much.
This thread needs exorcism.
More like a trauma therapy I think. People coming in here to come to terms with the shitshow last season was.
He was brought in to be a consultant to our DoF. That was literally announced. Consultants are hired to fill skill and knowledge gaps in an organisation. That's literally their job. Saying there's no evidence when it was announced when he signed he was doing exactly that because you want to believe some conspiracy about it being a bung is nonsense.
And if you think that the Glazers wouldn't hire someone without the requisite experience just because they were a comfortable yes man then I point you to Solskjaer, Woodward, Arnold and Murtaugh. It's their entire business model.
You can maybe think that way, but realistically if it was on This Morning with Phillip Schofield it would have ended up exactly the same way. You can write insulting messages on the side of the nuclear bomb but it doesn't flatten any more buildings.
I did not say this! I only said Ralf 100% had a role in the process, he was pushing for ETH when the boards favorable option was Poch, this is well known. As for the arse kissing it literally was exactly that. Murtough wanted no one else but Ralf. The guy who 80% in this thread is calling a clueless moron who damaged the club.Well no it doesn't. I don't see how your framing an interview process for an interim manager as arse kissing and begging has anything to do with the appt of a permanent manager months later at all, no.
ETH's name was in the frame from the get go along with Poch, Enrique and possibly Rodgers (
Yes, Poch was supposedly the favourite early on before the interviews were conducted, a process Ralf wasn't involved in by his own admission.
Once they interviewed Ten Hag they were seriously impressed by what Ten Hag had to say. The idea that he's only here or only got an interview because of Ralf is a bit much.
I wonder who hired him and gave him 2 year consultancy role just to convince him to come here.. Are they not responsible? I thought Ralf did really poor with the time he had but he is getting an absurd amount of hate in this thread that is unwarranted.
The dressing room at that time was immensely toxic and he had to deal with the whole Ronaldo issue. What he said in terms of critique about the club was the same exact things that 95% of the fanbase was saying and now that Ralf is gone and suddenly things are going a bit better he is public enema number 1 and all of his criticism is seen as BS!
What pure hypocritical rubbish.
my points exactly. There's also the argument that a sports journalist would have been careful how the interview would be going as he would risk being banned by the club thus hurting his career. That goes out of the window with the likes of Piers Morgan who bread and butter is not usually influenced by football
He was fecking shite, but yeah, this nonsense about the 'damage' he done is bullshit. We weren't getting top four with Ole, and Ralf didn't manage it either. He inherited an absolute fecking mess left behind by Ole, and didn't really do much of anything.
I don't think he done any damage; I think he just failed to anything whatsoever really. The heavy damage was done during Ole's tenure.
Ralf responsible for recommending EtH to the board and we wouldnt have EtH without him 
where does it stop. EtH was 100% going to be in the shortlist regardless of the fraud.
The Rangnick propaganda is unlike anything I've ever seen. I really doubt the sanity of some that believed every word that came out of his mouth. For goodness sake, this guy tried to convince us that the club knew nothing about Nkunku. He also tried to convince people that we had a shot at signing Luis Diaz and Vlahovic despite Liverpool and Juve already being at advanced stages, Vlahovic didn't even want to leave Serie A.
For someone who's seen as an infallible club builder and recruiting genius, it really is funny how he's now the head coach of the Austrian NT. Some had convinced themselves there was no future for United without him leading the charge, its crushing them that EtH has only needed a few months to prove he's a fraud.
where does it stop. EtH was 100% going to be in the shortlist regardless of the fraud.The Rangnick propaganda is unlike anything I've ever seen. I really doubt the sanity of some that believed every word that came out of his mouth. For goodness sake, this guy tried to convince us that the club knew nothing about Nkunku. He also tried to convince people that we had a shot at signing Luis Diaz and Vlahovic despite Liverpool and Juve already being at advanced stages, Vlahovic didn't even want to leave Serie A.
For someone who's seen as an infallible club builder and recruiting genius, it really is funny how he's now the head coach of the Austrian NT. Some had convinced themselves there was no future for United without him leading the charge, its crushing them that EtH has only needed a few months to prove he's a fraud.
Yes, it was announced that he was to be a consultant, but reports at the time suggested it was included at Rangnick's request, with later reports saying the agreement was verbal in nature, and that his future role hadn't even been defined. There's nothing that suggests Rangnick was ever going to basically be the de-facto DoF.
I think people hoped he could help behind the scenes. That never happened. He was a completel failure as a manager but was correct in most of what he said.Ralf responsible for recommending EtH to the board and we wouldnt have EtH without him
The Rangnick propaganda is unlike anything I've ever seen. I really doubt the sanity of some that believed every word that came out of his mouth. For goodness sake, this guy tried to convince us that the club knew nothing about Nkunku. He also tried to convince people that we had a shot at signing Luis Diaz and Vlahovic despite Liverpool and Juve already being at advanced stages, Vlahovic didn't even want to leave Serie A.
For someone who's seen as an infallible club builder and recruiting genius, it really is funny how he's now the head coach of the Austrian NT. Some had convinced themselves there was no future for United without him leading the charge, its crushing them that EtH has only needed a few months to prove he's a fraud.
Nobody is crushed by the fact that EtH is fantastic. Any United fan is happy.
Its only you and other weirdos who cannot seem to get over Rangnick. He was shite, got canned end of story.
Source for this?
And his contract included the consultancy role, it wasn't verbal. That was a misquote by the Daily Mirror headline writers, what Rangnick said was the opposite ""These are the things we haven’t spoken about. I’m not worried about that. I’m 64 very soon, so for me it’s not about having a contract on paper, it’s about what will really happen. How much does Erik and the board want my opinion and my experience? That’s what we haven’t spoken about.". He had a contract, but he was waiting to see whether EtH wanted him around and he didn't care what was written on paper.
What was reported was that Woodward wanted him at the club as a consultant for his experience "Sources say it was Ed Woodward pushing that consultancy role as he believes Rangnick’s "unbelievable knowledge and experience" will be key in helping those at board level.". I.e, the person who hired Murtaugh didn't trust his level of experience without a helper.
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