Can we get a poll please?
Rangnick for next season or Poch in the summer?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
If that is the binary choice I take RR every time. I don't rate Poch that highly and think there are half a dozen managers in the PL better than him right now outside of the clubs in the top 6.
At this present moment, I’d rather have Ralf take next season. Poch really isn’t looking great at PSG, especially if the pre-conceived notion that PSG is a ridiculous circus is off the mark.
I feel like this is one of those issues where we’re just going to have to wait and see. Poch has to reach the Champions League final and possibly win it to unsour me from him, and beat some fecking good teams along the way, but then PSG will probably throw more money at him to stay anyway.
Ralf‘s style is starting to come through lately so maybe come end of the season, we’ll be seeing something more clear and efficient, and hopefully exciting.
I feel like this is one of those issues where we’re just going to have to wait and see. Poch has to reach the Champions League final and possibly win it to unsour me from him, and beat some fecking good teams along the way, but then PSG will probably throw more money at him to stay anyway.
Ralf‘s style is starting to come through lately so maybe come end of the season, we’ll be seeing something more clear and efficient, and hopefully exciting.
In that case Rangnick!
Don't want that other guy nowhere near United. Loser.
Don't want that other guy nowhere near United. Loser.
Rangnick hands down.
If ETH is not available then Rangnick for 1 season wont be bad deal for us.
Too early to tell. Like what Ralf is doing so far but the board loves Poch.
Rangnick of course. Because we can continue our pursuit for a good manager. Don't think there is anything remarkable about Poch.
I’d rather Rangnick to be honest. Poch doesn’t excite me one bit and it just feels like we’ll all be calling for him to get sacked after his first season.
Is Rangnick even an option? I thought him taking over for 6 months was a mutually accepted decision between him and the club and that he doesn’t fancy it long term. Just wants his 6 months then his consultancy?
His first interview he mentioned he might consider a short stint.
When he joined it was discussed and I am paraphrasing a bit but he said in one of his first press conferences that he would be involved in the decision making process for hiring the next manager and conceded that his recommendation might be to give the job to himself for another year which he has apparently done before when in a similar position in Germany.
Yeah I'd honestly rather keep Rangnick, but specifically only for an additional season with a clear view that this is temporary and the new manager would be appointed in summer 2023. Not particularly convinced Pochettino takes us much further up the ladder.
What has Poch actually done except breaking the PSG hegemony? Won a league cup last year?
Even Ole has a bigger trophy collection than Poch, says it all.
Let's keep RR unless some serial winner becomes available.
Even Ole has a bigger trophy collection than Poch, says it all.
Let's keep RR unless some serial winner becomes available.
Poch for the tears on the forum
How dare we hire a manager who has exceeded all expectations with two lesser clubs in the same division!
How dare we hire a manager who has exceeded all expectations with two lesser clubs in the same division!
He really didn't though. Koeman did better with that Southampton squad after Poch left and Spurs were already knocking on the door of the top 4 before he got the job and he had the good fortune to have a generational talent leading the line. Contrary to the narrative his PR people love to puff out he spent 300M quid at Spurs and only had one window without signings and yet he is constantly hyped up for seemingly building a brilliant team from nothing.
He absolutely did. It’s a wonderful thing with hindsight. I understand not wanting him or having a preferred candidate but you can’t undermine his achievements.
He had Southampton playing some really good football. Football that got him noticed by Spurs and built his reputation.
Spurs had qualified once or twice for the CL in their entire history before he came along. There is a *massive* difference between being perennial contenders for top 4 and guaranteeing it and then going out and beating the likes of Madrid and City on the biggest stage. Just ask Moyes.
Look at Spurs net spend and salary across his time there and you see a team that should have been in 6th or 7th. You are talking about spending over nearly 5 full seasons without key players being adequately replaced.
He transformed Spurs from a running joke to a team that no one in Europe really wanted to play.
Like I said, you can have a preferred candidate or believe that he isn’t the right man for the job at United, but undermining his work, particularly at Spurs, is absolute madness and I would suggest is part of a bias based on the fact that you don’t fancy him at United.
There is no way, objectively, than you can say that he didn’t massively overachieve at Spurs.
Six out of the 14 bottom-placed managers are better than Poch? What are you basing that on?
Probably Rangnick. Based on absolutely nothing - I have no clue how either would do.
Rangnick as assistant to Poch for one season.
You can give the board another 12 months and they still won’t make the right appointment the following summer, even with a year and a half to sound someone out. They’re simply useless in that regard.
So we may as well get Poch asap and see what he can do
So we may as well get Poch asap and see what he can do
In 5 years he did not win a single trophy, I am not a Spurs fan but I would imagine that would be seen as an underachievement when you had the best years of the best striker in England and spunked 300M on signings. He had a couple of decent seasons getting into the CL as Arsenal, United et al were in turmoil but failed to grasp the opportunity that Ranieri took with a s significantly weaker Leicester side and win the PL title when it was there for the taking. Spurs league form over his last 12 months there was woeful and he had them on track for a relegation battle before he was mercifully fired.
If anybody had any doubts to how overrated he is they have been assuaged by his brilliant performance at PSG where he took over a team that was top of the table in a 1 horse race and managed to finish 2nd and has through 12 months in the job achieved a significantly poorer points per game performance than both Tuchel and Emery before him despite having an even better squad.
Wasn't one of the major criticisms of the club that people felt we rushed into making Ole permanent before we really had to?
This situation is exactly the same. We haven't seen nearly enough from Ralf yet to suggest that he would be the best person for the job next season, but perhaps by May he will have made a compelling case for himself. In the meantime the club are hopefully doing what they need to do externally.
This situation is exactly the same. We haven't seen nearly enough from Ralf yet to suggest that he would be the best person for the job next season, but perhaps by May he will have made a compelling case for himself. In the meantime the club are hopefully doing what they need to do externally.
If ten Hag has rejected us, then Rangnick for sure. He'll carry on finishing the required clear out and will get players attutudes back in line.
Ragnick until December and then luis Enrique in early 2023
Why would we want Poch? He’s not better than Klopp or Pep so what’s the point, if our goal is to win the league then we need a manager who can compete.
Again with the trophies! He was manager of Spurs! And he was expected to win a trophy because he had Harry Kane?
He was competing against 5-6 sides with higher salary budgets and, at times, many more than that who spent bigger in transfer windows.
The mark of a manager at Spurs will never be how many trophies they have won. They are not in the top 5 choices for any trophies season after season. Why is there an expectation there given their budget?
He was 90 minutes away from winning the Champions League with Spurs, of all teams, and a Winks/Sissoko midfield?
The fact that they tailed off after nearly 5 years says more about Levy and his penny pinching than anything else. He never had the squad to compete with the big teams.
If you are waiting for someone to crop up with a better performance from a team with Spurs budget in a top league, you will be waiting a long time.
PSG doesn’t prove anything and Tuchel didn’t have the best form before he left, while Lille had a fantastic season. It wasn’t all down to Poch that they didn’t win last year. He is currently 11 points clear though, so there’s that.
There is no managers better than Pep or Klopp.
Does that mean we should not try get a manager that can compete? Shall we just shut up shop until they leave or another manager of their calibre is around?
I’m good with that.
Ralph all the way
I'd rather see Potter than either of them.
ETH would be my first choice.
ETH would be my first choice.
The funny thing is they same fans will rate ETH for the same reasons they discount Poch for.
ETH has won trophies in the Dutch league and got Ajax to a CL semi final - that should mean something.
Poch wins French Cup and league - yeah but its the French league, its a farmers league... Poch got lucky in the CL to beat Ajax.
Its weird how people logic works, we need to hire a manager that will improve us. Both will have their work cut out and will have bigger budgets than previously worked with.
You stated he overachieved. Not winning a trophy in 5 years at a perennial top 6 club is absolutely not the definition of overachievement, what he managed was pretty much par for where they were with that squad and the state of the league at that point.
Yes he got to a CL final but lucky late goals only paper over the fact that Ajax were the better team in the semis and then when they got that final it was a total capitulation, hardly worth them even showing up.
The penny pinching again? Simply not true outside of a Poch loving media narrative, he spent plenty of money, he spent a lot of it really, really badly which is actually another strike against him.
At the end of the day it does seem you are a Poch admirer and sad to say you are almost certainly going to get your wish and see him managing us next season. I am a diehard fan and will get behind him but I think he is a spectacularly underwhelming choice and I will be amazed if we win anything with him at the helm. Time will tell which of us is right.
If we were appointing either of them permanently it should obviously be Poch. There's no real question which of them is generally the more in-demand manager.
So the question then is to what end are we sticking with Rangnick for another year? Presumably it wouldn't be to get ETH, who would likely be available this summer.
The only possible reason I could think would be if we decided Enrique was the best long term choice for us and agreed a deal for him to take over after Rangnick.
So the question then is to what end are we sticking with Rangnick for another year? Presumably it wouldn't be to get ETH, who would likely be available this summer.
The only possible reason I could think would be if we decided Enrique was the best long term choice for us and agreed a deal for him to take over after Rangnick.
Poch.
Not the best choice but people wanting Ralf to stay for next season never really learn.
Not the best choice but people wanting Ralf to stay for next season never really learn.
So top 4 every year is not overachieving with Spurs?
The CL final was lucky because he didn’t score in the right minute.
And 300 million over 5 years is a massive spend regardless of sales or salary budgets?
I honestly can’t believe you see it this way, but to each their own!
What exactly does Poch offer better than Ralf ? Genuine question. I asked the same question in a different thread but no Poch fans seems to be explaining it.
RR above Poch for me.
Poch core strengths. (Exception of PSG)
team punches above the weight.
Great with young players.
High pressing.
marauding full backs.
RR also provides the same thing . So I seriously can't see Poch an upgrade.
RR above Poch for me.
Poch core strengths. (Exception of PSG)
team punches above the weight.
Great with young players.
High pressing.
marauding full backs.
RR also provides the same thing . So I seriously can't see Poch an upgrade.
in the time Rangnick has been at the club it feels like he has ruffled the feathers of underachieving lazy players, not played a fool protecting uncommitted players and dealt with a crisis well.....
if this club is to find its way back Id back Rangnick to be a man for the job. There's no nonsense with him, egos dont matter and he's got the experience from the touchline and behind the scenes. It feels like we have HUGE work ahead of us from organisational, cultural and footballing perspectives.
RR for me if i had that binary choice
if this club is to find its way back Id back Rangnick to be a man for the job. There's no nonsense with him, egos dont matter and he's got the experience from the touchline and behind the scenes. It feels like we have HUGE work ahead of us from organisational, cultural and footballing perspectives.
RR for me if i had that binary choice
Find it slightly weird people suddenly want an interim to stay on for another year? Before we've really seen much positive in what's been done so far?
Surely Manchester United can find a quality manager in less than 18months?!
Or do we think there's some amazing manager out there that we've targeted, Pep/Man City style and we're awaiting his contract running down!?
Surely Manchester United can find a quality manager in less than 18months?!
Or do we think there's some amazing manager out there that we've targeted, Pep/Man City style and we're awaiting his contract running down!?