Yeah its not like he did that exact thing with a less mobile Raul up top for Schalke?
Posts like this won't age well.
Good point.
Well, I don't understand what is hard to see about this. Rangnicks philosophy is based on collective organisation, intensive counterpressing, lots of running and quick transition attacks and a stated preference for young players who can develop within the system (at one point, there was a conscious transfer policy of not buying anyone older than 23). He has said himself his style works best with young players, because older players slow down both mentally and physically. All of these things are obviously a very bad fit with Ronaldo.
I would agree we haven’t tailored our team enough to Ronaldo. That’s 1 of the reasons we’ve struggled. We brought in Ronaldo without really a solid plan of how to play with him and then tried to continue with the same tactics and it was terrible. We obviously then changed it to try 5 at the back and 2 up top and sort of worked a bit but we never really got to grips with it and arguably didn’t have the players.
I hope so. It’s possible that he convinces the players around Ronaldo to run a lot harder then it may be fine. But obviously that’s a big If and how the whole you 9 out field players all have to work your socks off but Ronaldo doesn’t Will go down. It’s not like Ronaldo is the only player with an ego.
He had an ancient Raul play up top for him at Schalke so clearly age isn't a dealbreaker for him.
I never said it is not an issue, I just say you can’t ignore world class players just for the sake of it. At the end of all pressing and counterattacking you still need an attacker who knows how to score the chances we create. And Ronaldo does it exactly this, at least for another 2 seasons. He does it better than Rashford or Greenwood or whoever else is up front. That’s all Im saying. Implement the system and make sure to give your attacker a 25+ goals season.
This made me laugh especially the fake run at the end by... Martial?Tweet
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I think that is the antithesis of what a top manager should believe...I think that a top manager should ignore world class players if they do not fit his system or are not willing or able to adapt to his system...he should not ignore world class potential. That should be nurtured and developed into the mangers system - see Phil Foden’s development compared to day Greenwood...one has been given clear instruction on how to maximise his talents in a defined system and the other has been told to express himself and gets pummelled by his own fans when he does it! If a truly top manager comes in he should be able to see the talent waiting in the wings and develop that instead of trying to get the best out of one player.
He is literally the worst attacker in the league in terms of pressing numbers and is 36 years old. Of course he's not going to suddenly become a high-intensity pressing machine at this late, late stage in his career. If it was that easy then literally any other PL attacker could do it just as well.
Thats not always true though, is it? Zidane, we would all agree, didn’t have a better system than Klopp’s liverpool. They still beat them.
So is Ronaldo expecting to be regular starter for another 2 yrs ?! Any chance we can transfer him out at the end of season or even in the January transfer window ?
I wouldn’t agree...Zidane had a system that suited his players and he had better players...they knew how to soak pressure and had the quality on the ball to exploit Liverpool when they had possession. High pressing is Klopps approach but Simone, Zidane, Mourinho, Conte, Poch all have systems...Van Gaal has a system...it sounds foreign to us cause of the Oleball we have become accustomed to...and on any given day one system will come out on top...the key is whoever your manager is, whatever their system is, you trust it and use the squad / pick the team that makes that system most effective...if Ronny fits a Rangnick system then amazing ! Best result...but if he doesn’t...his ego/persona/legacy/standing in the game HAS to come second to what is best for the team.
There is a tifo football video about what a Ragnarok United team will look like. It suggests that Ronaldo may not be a problem because he's not expected to track back all the time, rather to cut off passing angles but directing his runs.
You know we have scored one goal less then last season after the same amount of games don’t you? And 5 of those goals were in a game Ronaldo WASNT playing...Ronaldo has not improved our goal scoring in any way...fact. for pure potency...he has done fuk all for Utd. The goals he guarantees are easily replaced it would seem.
We've also been wank this season. Is that all his fault too?
But you're the person who didn't think winning games was important.
No pep will not, you have absolutely no understanding of how Pep plays the game.
Ah...again with the purposeful misquoting...I said I don’t care about scraping through CL fixtures against mediocre opponents...I also said exactly the same thing I am saying now...i would sacrifice scraping through the group stages of the CL and then getting whooped by the first decent team we meet ..for a blooding of young players and a system that works to the benefit of our talented squad...not just to the benefit of one player.
People are getting stuck on this 4222 idea. In the interview where he explains it he clearly says he was playing with 1 number 9, but then that one got injured and the squad player did well, so when the main 9 returned he adapted to 4222 so both could play as both deserved it. He also explains the tactics and benefits.
Great post - let's not pretend like this isn't a bit of a conundrum
I doubt a 4222 will happen because of the available FBs. Shaw in great form can perform in this system I think, but apart from him? Telles might not have the quality, AWB is not able to play attacking enough and Dalot is to weak defensively I think, but maybe Rangnick tries him there.
Good point, but I think the answer is yes, because Rangnick isn't so much about the dressing room. Rangnick will focus his ego and try to imprint himself on the club as a whole, not just the first team. That should leave room for Ronaldo to thrive in that area.
That’s what appears to be the good thing about Rangnick, he has his ideals about how to play but formation will be suited to the players we have and get the best starting 11 with the best chemistry. Might not find the perfect mix in the first 2-3 games thou.
Will need the perfect person to play those through balls.
It could go either way really. Ronaldo looks very fit but 36 is 36. And he's not used to that style of play so will he learn new tricks? It's foolish to say he will or won't - he may not even be asked to. It will be interesting to watch though.
Yeah , tell that to Pep when he tried to sign him in summer.
Agreed.
