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James Peril

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So incredibly nice to finally have a world-class defender back there. Could have done better for the goal I guess, but it’s a difficult situation. Speaking of not being world-class, what the hell was Maguire doing before the goal? Liability at times, thank god Lindelöf isn’t the other one next to him anymore
 

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He makes such a huge difference aerially.

It's so nice to see a ball come into the box and just see him launch it back out where it came from, proper distance on it too.

He's settled in immediately and looks like he's been here 5 years already. Class.
 

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You are correct but you can't sit off forever, you have to choose the point where you do commit or you let the attacker freely pick their shot or pass. Varane thought he saw a good opportunity and he almost got it right. I don't think he did too much wrong there given the situation he was in.
I got what you mean but tbf it's easy said than done. It's exactly what Lindelof usually do in that situation and the whole caf slagging him off for.
Again to caveat I am just commenting and observing from a very critical pov purely for discussion's sake and it's not a sleight on Varane. However, I still believe standing up and delaying for that half a second is a more favourable outcome; it's about playing to the lowest risk possibilites in those situations. Stand off but allow a shot at goal from just outside the box with a defender in front of him with little backlift/space, make them play another pass wider/narrower angle or go in and commit?

As for Lindelof, I replied to a previous poster already but we really shouldn't bring him up here. Firstly, he would sit back/stand off regardless of whether it's on the half way line, outside the box, inside the box, 3-vs-1, 2-vs-1 or 1-vs-1. Secondly, he wouldn't aggressively then try to attempt to block or stop the cross/shot in the next phase. In Varane, he has the athleticism to match a player once they get on the ball and then also after they make their move; perhaps it why I'm being more harsh.

Anyways I agree with the below. It's what I said after him getting 'outjumped' for the Wolves goal and I said the same thing in my first comment post-Newcastle game. His all around game is solid, it's clear as day but he has more to learn given these two 'mistakes' imo as it's more timing issues rather than fundamental problems. And yet even if he continues to make these 'mistakes', the rest of his game can make up for it. That is how much of an upgrade he is over Lindelof.

The issue with Lindelof is not mistakes, it's his general lack of influence on the back line and the defensive play. Varane is night and day, that's why people will cut him slack.
 

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Again to caveat I am just commenting and observing from a very critical pov purely for discussion's sake and it's not a sleight on Varane. However, I still believe standing up and delaying for that half a second is a more favourable outcome; it's about playing to the lowest risk possibilites in those situations. Stand off but allow a shot at goal from just outside the box with a defender in front of him with little backlift/space, make them play another pass wider/narrower angle or go in and commit?

As for Lindelof, I replied to a previous poster already but we really shouldn't bring him up here. Firstly, he would sit back/stand off regardless of whether it's on the half way line, outside the box, inside the box, 3-vs-1, 2-vs-1 or 1-vs-1. Secondly, he wouldn't aggressively then try to attempt to block or stop the cross/shot in the next phase. In Varane, he has the athleticism to match a player once they get on the ball and then also after they make their move; perhaps it why I'm being more harsh.

Anyways I agree with the below. It's what I said after him getting 'outjumped' for the Wolves goal and I said the same thing in my first comment post-Newcastle game. His all around game is solid, it's clear as day but he has more to learn given these two 'mistakes' imo as it's more timing issues rather than fundamental problems. And yet even if he continues to make these 'mistakes', the rest of his game can make up for it. That is how much of an upgrade he is over Lindelof.
Watch this and you'd see I think. If Varane stand there doing nothing Saint Maximin would simply pass the ball to Manquillo. Nothing changed.

 

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Watch this and you'd see I think. If Varane stand there doing nothing Saint Maximin would simply pass the ball to Manquillo. Nothing changed.

Again I realise I'm being really harsh! He did exactly the right thing to stop and stand up as soon as Maximin receives the ball. At that exact point, I thought he should have waited (right before he closed in for the tackle) half a second to either anticipate/bait for the pass or make him come inside for the shot i.e delay his decision. His body shape is perfect to cover the pass but he decides to go in for the tackle instead. It's literally a fraction of a second and I don't blame him as it was a wide open counter attack.

De Gea's closing out wasn't exactly the best reaction either btw.
 

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It was Maguire's failed lunging tackle that opened the floodgates there and not much varane could have done after that.

On a different note though, it's funny how we were looking for a partner for Maguire but ended up with an even better defender
 

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Hmmm how about we let him play at least a few months before we say he's better or worse for us than Maguire?
 

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I know Maguire would likely never be dropped, but I'd be curious to see him paired with Lindelof for a game or two. Perhaps a dead rubber cup game.
 

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Still over the moon that Varne is a United player :drool:
 

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Again I realise I'm being really harsh! He did exactly the right thing to stop and stand up as soon as Maximin receives the ball. At that exact point, I thought he should have waited (right before he closed in for the tackle) half a second to either anticipate/bait for the pass or make him come inside for the shot i.e delay his decision. His body shape is perfect to cover the pass but he decides to go in for the tackle instead. It's literally a fraction of a second and I don't blame him as it was a wide open counter attack.

De Gea's closing out wasn't exactly the best reaction either btw.
The aim of the defender is to force the attacker to make the decision you want him to rather than let him decide what to do.

Standing off lets Varane manage the situation but that pass to Manquillo is always coming, by committing he makes Saint-Maximim do it when Varane wants it rather than the other way around. He chose the point at which S-M let the ball get away from him a little away to try and force an error but it didn't work. Other than that there really was no way to have stopped that shot coming in from Manquillo.
 

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The aim of the defender is to force the attacker to make the decision you want him to rather than let him decide what to do.

Standing off lets Varane manage the situation but that pass to Manquillo is always coming, by committing he makes Saint-Maximim do it when Varane wants it rather than the other way around. He chose the point at which S-M let the ball get away from him a little away to try and force an error but it didn't work. Other than that there really was no way to have stopped that shot coming in from Manquillo.
Ok this is going to be my last post on this particular situation. Whilst I agree on your first sentence, it absolutely was not Varane's choice to let Maximin play a through ball to a player, who can run onto it unchallenged at the most optimal timing and angle. The shot was coming I agree but perhaps if Varane didn't go for the tackle and instead went for the runner, which he possibly could have if he had waited then the angle would have been narrowed. Alternatively, he could have seen the runner and went to (over) cover the pass, which would have opened up the centre of the goal to allow Maximin take an extra touch to take a shot; it would have had to been a rocket to beat De Gea there. It's basically a game of chicken and as it was 2-vs-1, I'm not blaming Varane but deep down he will know he was a fraction too rash there and got caught.

Let me end it by saying I am absolutely choked to have Varane in the team. He's pretty much everything I had expected and more so since I am a big naysayer of Lindelof but I will call it as I see it regardless of personnel.
 

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Hardly culpable for the goal, but I did think he looked a bit shaky at times versus Newcastle. Was done twice 1v1 and there were one or two other moments he seemed a bit hesitant. But Matic hardly did the defense any favors so I’m not too worried. He’ll settle in and form a fantastic partnership with Maguire.
 

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Watch this and you'd see I think. If Varane stand there doing nothing Saint Maximin would simply pass the ball to Manquillo. Nothing changed.

Cover the runner, force SM to take the shot outside the box. Matic was coming in to cover the centre to put pressure on SM. I don't know if Varane noticed Matic coming back to cover.
 

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Looking at that goal again, yes Varane could have done better and so could Maguire and De Gea.
 

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I don't see how Varane could have done much there, once he was on the edge of the box. If he stands up Saint-Maximin, the guy just has an even easier pass to make. There's no way he can track Manquillo, who is already at full pace before he could even begin to turn. Even if he could keep up with Manquillo, you don't run away from the attacker with the ball at his feet and leave him with a free shot on goal, that would be horrendous defending.

The best he could do was try and nick the ball, knowing that even if he failed, he at least makes the pass slightly harder for SM and makes the shot for Manquillo come from a slightly worse angle. Neither of which works, but when you're 2 v 1 as a defender, it's basically out of your hands.
 

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Varane had no chance on stopping that Newcastle goal. It was 2 vs 1 at the point the ball was near him
 

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Cover the runner, force SM to take the shot outside the box. Matic was coming in to cover the centre to put pressure on SM. I don't know if Varane noticed Matic coming back to cover.
That's really your conclusion from the video? If Varane had just covered the run of Manquillo (who was at full pace) ASM could have gone through the middle and would have an even cleaner 1v1 than Manquillo. I thought DDG could have come out a bit more to narrow the angle for Manquillo, he made it pretty easy for him to score. But tbh it was also hard for DDG.

I think there are not too many faults in our defence with this goal. In my opinion Almiron made it just amazing, the 1st touch to get away from Shaw was world class and i don't think that Maguire would have had a chance even if he did only try to track Almiron as he was full pace and much faster than Maguire. Then the pass was good and ASM is a very tricky and pacey player so he could easily have gone through the middle if Varane had commited to much to Manquillo.

In the end he failed with his tackling and you can say that he could have done better with the tackling but i think Varane didn't really have a realistic chance in this situation.
 

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Looking at that goal again, yes Varane could have done better and so could Maguire and De Gea.
Not comparable though, not in the slightest.

Varane was facing a 2v1 at the edge of his own box. DDG was facing a 1 on 1 with the attacker. Could these two have done better? Perhaps. But they are not at fault, they just had to deal with really tough odds. Maguire however, is majorly at fault for lunging into a hopeless and unnecessary tackle near the halfway line. One that got nowhere near taking the ball or even the player. He should absolutely not being doing what he did there, it was poor error of judgement.
 

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Looking at that goal again, yes Varane could have done better and so could Maguire and De Gea.
De Gea was protecting the short side, as he should. Near post is the easy finish there and you don't want to give that goal away. It's possible he could have got a little further out to take away the angle but realistically, the finish was perfect. Not everything is a mistake.

Varane had to make the challenge in a 2 on 1 and lost out. The fault lies with Maguire for diving in 55 yards from goal and missing everything. Stupid. Clatter the guy and take the yellow.
 

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De Gea was protecting the short side, as he should. Near post is the easy finish there and you don't want to give that goal away. It's possible he could have got a little further out to take away the angle but realistically, the finish was perfect. Not everything is a mistake.

Varane had to make the challenge in a 2 on 1 and lost out. The fault lies with Maguire for diving in 55 yards from goal and missing everything. Stupid. Clatter the guy and take the yellow.
Not comparable though, not in the slightest.

Varane was facing a 2v1 at the edge of his own box. DDG was facing a 1 on 1 with the attacker. Could these two have done better? Perhaps. But they are not at fault, they just had to deal with really tough odds. Maguire however, is majorly at fault for lunging into a hopeless and unnecessary tackle near the halfway line. One that got nowhere near taking the ball or even the player. He should absolutely not being doing what he did there, it was poor error of judgement.
Agree with the bolded. I didn't mean to imply their mistakes were on the same level. Just that they could all have done better. Maguire obviously had the biggest feck up while Varane and De Geas are nitpicking.
 

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Agree with the bolded. I didn't mean to imply their mistakes were on the same level. Just that they could all have done better. Maguire obviously had the biggest feck up while Varane and De Geas are nitpicking.
Yeah, my concern with De Gea coming out further is that he may have opened up the near side just enough to let the ball through. Credit to the finish, it was excellent.
 

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Yeah, my concern with De Gea coming out further is that he may have opened up the near side just enough to let the ball through. Credit to the finish, it was excellent.
Yeah missed De Geas right foot by inches. If he comes out just a bit more it's probably saved. Good finish though
 

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Watch this and you'd see I think. If Varane stand there doing nothing Saint Maximin would simply pass the ball to Manquillo. Nothing changed.

Yup that goal's on Maguire, Varane to his credit almost intercepted the pass.

The initial dummy took out both Shaw and Matic (which is fine, it was a great move) but Maguire shouldn't be letting Almiron past him at that point. Just drag the attacker down and take the yellow.
 

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Maguire brainless challenge is #1 #2 #3 reason for that goal. Everyone from then on is under incredible pressure to pull off something spectacular. That challenge from Maguire was utterly unnecessary.
 

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Didn't the cross take 2 deflections?
Don´t think it did (it was passed through Shaw´s legs directly into the box), but it doesn´t matter much. When you are marking someone in the box, you need to get in front of your man. Looked like he fell asleep for a second.
 

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Don´t think it did (it was passed through Shaw´s legs directly into the box), but it doesn´t matter much. When you are marking someone in the box, you need to get in front of your man. Looked like he fell asleep for a second.
Took a hefty deflection.