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Was he injury prone at Real Madrid? Don't really follow them except in UCL.

Who would line up next to Ramos on those days?
Pretty sure he’s been prone to regular-ish injuries throughout his career tbh.
 

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He injured his groin playing for France. A grade 1 hip adductor strain is usually 2-3 weeks out. The Spurs game was exactly 3 weeks after the injury.

Seems as though he injured a different muscle last night anyway. Being reported as a hamstring injury.
I'm sure you well know the hip adductor is right next to the hamstring and practically part of the same group of muscles, and if it's not fully recovered the body will shift some of the workload onto those neighbouring muscles.

Given Ole's history and the fact that this keeps happening to our players it's right to ask the question.
 

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I'm sure you well know the hip adductor is right next to the hamstring and practically part of the same group of muscles, and if it's not fully recovered the body will shift some of the workload onto those neighbouring muscles.

Given Ole's history and the fact that this keeps happening to our players it's right to ask the question.
From my own personal and anecdotal experience with recurrent adductor injuries, they rely more on the abdominal muscles for support than the hamstrings. After several adductor strains one summer, my abdominal muscles later became strained as well because they were compensating for the injured adductor and after too much effort they gave out. During this time the hamstring never felt overworked or gave me any problems despite regularly attmepting to play football and competing in a couple of charity runs. Some of that may be my own physiology but the doctor who treated me noted that the abs did most of the heavy lifting when the adductor was injured.
 

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From my own personal and anecdotal experience with recurrent adductor injuries, they rely more on the abdominal muscles for support than the hamstrings. After several adductor strains one summer, my abdominal muscles later became strained as well because they were compensating for the injured adductor and after too much effort they gave out. During this time the hamstring never felt overworked or gave me any problems despite regularly attmepting to play football and competing in a couple of charity runs. Some of that may be my own physiology but the doctor who treated me noted that the abs did most of the heavy lifting when the adductor was injured.
It takes a hell of a lot to strain an abdominal muscle though. A hamstring, not so much. And you said yourself it's not an immediate thing, you went about normally for a whole summer until the related strain showed up.

Plus we don't know which adductor muscle was injured or which hamstring muscle is injured now.

Who makes these decisions?
Club doctors and physios prepare a report outlining the state of fitness, a little like the percentage fit indicator on Football Manager. They can say he is ok to play but not totally recovered and playing may risk further injury. The manager then decides how much he wants that player back in the team.
 

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He really is a Rio Ferdinand regen, injuries and all. :(

Bad luck with the timing unfortunately, but let's hope it's only a small strain and he stopped before it got worse.
I think he's a level below Rio. Or at least at this stage of his career he is.

I don't quite get the plaudits he's receiving. Not that he's been bad I just don't think we've seen enough of him yet. He's either injured or featuring in games like Spurs where there wasn't much to do. I want to see him tested more to get a good idea of where he is.
 

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It takes a hell of a lot to strain an abdominal muscle though. A hamstring, not so much. And you said yourself it's not an immediate thing, you went about normally for a whole summer until the related strain showed up.

Plus we don't know which adductor muscle was injured or which hamstring muscle is injured now.
Well, it wasn't exactly normal. I'd rest, feel the groin issue was ok and it would return after any kind of high impact activity no matter if I took one week off, two weeks, 8 weeks and even the whole winter. It always returned, even if I slipped on some ice. In the end it was a hip issue that was causing the repetitive strains and the cumulative impact of covering for those eventually added up the the hell of a lot you mention to strain the abdominals.

Because of my experience I'm inclined to believe that it's a simple hamstring tear and Varane was being careful not to impact the adductor possibly because, like me, the injury made his junk hurt.
 

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Ole is A complete fraud as a physiotherapist!

On a real note. Verane out is a heavy blow for us. Who do we have? Phil Jones?
 

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Just because it's not the same injury, doesn't mean rushing back didn't contribute. Players need time to get holistic fitness back after an injury layoff.
He literary played full 90 mins vs Spurs and nothing wrong happened in that game or even right after the game ended.
 

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God fecking damn it all it's just so typical. First time in decade we sign an absolute monster CB and already he's getting plagued by injuries. It was all too good to be true.

We just cannot get a break... :(
 

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It’s shame he’s been injured for the most part so far with Cavani. Hopefully he’s back soon as he should be key in our pressing game holding that high line and being aggressive with the strikers.
 

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It’s shame he’s been injured for the most part so far with Cavani. Hopefully he’s back soon as he should be key in our pressing game holding that high line and being aggressive with the strikers.
Also annoying he got injured playing for France rather than United
 

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I’m not a doctor but with the run of relatively easier fixtures coming up that we give Varane more than normal leash to regain full fitness, maybe even waiting until the new year to bring him out.
 

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I’m not a doctor but with the run of relatively easier fixtures coming up that we give Varane more than normal leash to regain full fitness, maybe even waiting until the new year to bring him out.
A little extra time to get his fitness right wouldn't be amiss but the new year is a long way off. He'll be needed over the Christmas period.
 

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I’m not a doctor but with the run of relatively easier fixtures coming up that we give Varane more than normal leash to regain full fitness, maybe even waiting until the new year to bring him out.
If they are fit, play your best players - its as simple as that. There are no easy fixtures as Watford showed.
 

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If they are fit, play your best players - its as simple as that. There are no easy fixtures as Watford showed.
I’m not so sure it’s that simple. Lindelof and Bailly are of course not as capable of a fit Varane, but as we’ve seen already this season, it’s too tempting to bring back a player from injury before he’s truly fit. Better to err on the side of caution.
 

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I’m not so sure it’s that simple. Lindelof and Bailly are of course not as capable of a fit Varane, but as we’ve seen already this season, it’s too tempting to bring back a player from injury before he’s truly fit. Better to err on the side of caution.
The beginning of my sentence says 'if he is fit' - if he is then he needs to play. I'm sure they exercised caution during his recovery this time.
 

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Was he a sick note at real?
As i remember he was injured more than average in his early years but it was ok his last 2-3. Could be coincidence or he has entered the stage where injuries start.

The beginning of my sentence says 'if he is fit' - if he is then he needs to play. I'm sure they exercised caution during his recovery this time.
It’s not that black or white. He should have recovered his injury but also be match fit and fit to play many matches in a row.
 

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Since he became a fixed starter at Real - According to Transfermarkt - he has the following numbers:

14/15: La Liga 27 matches ; Champions League 12 matches
15/16: La Liga 26 matches ; Champions League 7 matches
16/17: La Liga 23 matches ; Champions League 10 matches
17/18: La Liga 27 matches ; Champions League 11 matches
18/19: La Liga 32 matches ; Champions League 4 matches
19/20: La Liga 32 matches ; Champions League 8 matches
20/21: La Liga 31 matches ; Champions League 9 matches

Assuming a Central Defender is not someone who gets rotated a lot and without any other context: It looks like he is prone to some (minor - medium) injuries every year..
 

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The numbers for the last 3 years look encouraging, so lets hope once he's back he stays fit for the remainder of the season!
 

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As i remember he was injured more than average in his early years but it was ok his last 2-3. Could be coincidence or he has entered the stage where injuries start.


It’s not that black or white. He should have recovered his injury but also be match fit and fit to play many matches in a row.
It really is - if he can get through a few games with no reaction, why rest him? Its no different to any other player i.e. Luke Shaw - when he comes back from injury they generally keep playing. You can bring him off if games are wrapped up with 20mins to go etc otherwise he's far too important to rest - he's not overly injury prone from his history.
 

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It really is - if he can get through a few games with no reaction, why rest him? Its no different to any other player i.e. Luke Shaw - when he comes back from injury they generally keep playing. You can bring him off if games are wrapped up with 20mins to go etc otherwise he's far too important to rest - he's not overly injury prone from his history.
He’s had two injuries in short time and they were of the character that I suspect he wasn’t really fit in the first place. Most likely his long period without training between the Euros until he joined United was really poor preparations for him.
 

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He’s had two injuries in short time and they were of the character that I suspect he wasn’t really fit in the first place. Most likely his long period without training between the Euros until he joined United was really poor preparations for him.
I'm sure they factored that into his recovery now, which is why he's not back.
 

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Can't wait for him to come back. Perfect for Rangnick. Probably the best in the game when it comes to cleaning up counter attacks. No one takes him 1v1 on the counter, even on long balls.
 

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Was he a sick note at real?
Other people are getting the statistics out and they are more encouraging recently but speaking as someone who followed him at Madrid from the beginning I can say he had a couple of very injury-prone years in his early 20s with his knee.

He had an insane game against Barcelona when he was 19 and many fans thought he would be better than Sergio Ramos. He looked like he was going to be so much better than he eventually became (which clearly is a very very high level in itself). But he had knee injuries and then was competing with Pepe to play alongside Ramos pretty much until Pepe left in 2016. The injuries hindered him a bit and stopped him reaching that very highest level, that's what some of us think anyway.
 

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I'm sure they factored that into his recovery now, which is why he's not back.
What I mean with it’s not black and white is that it’s about taking risks. Fitness is gradual on a scale. If we didn’t have any CB available they would probably gamble more and play him earlier. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the new manager acts when it comes to picking starters and circulation of the team.
 

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is this the reason florentino sold him to us ? he knew he was an injury-prone ? dissapointing signing so far but i guess our scouts didnt do the job.

if the madrid boss sells you something you have to think twice.
 

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Since he became a fixed starter at Real - According to Transfermarkt - he has the following numbers:

14/15: La Liga 27 matches ; Champions League 12 matches
15/16: La Liga 26 matches ; Champions League 7 matches
16/17: La Liga 23 matches ; Champions League 10 matches
17/18: La Liga 27 matches ; Champions League 11 matches
18/19: La Liga 32 matches ; Champions League 4 matches
19/20: La Liga 32 matches ; Champions League 8 matches
20/21: La Liga 31 matches ; Champions League 9 matches

Assuming a Central Defender is not someone who gets rotated a lot and without any other context: It looks like he is prone to some (minor - medium) injuries every year..
He played 40 games or more per season for the past 5 years for Real Madrid, as you said, he gets few minor injuries and misses 5-8 games a year in those 5 years, not a bad record, this is without adding his 50+ NT appearances in that same period too