The main issue with this Rafinha deal from a United perspective is what the fee does to the evaluation of Antony, giving that Ajax are already reluctant to sell after losing so many bodies, the latter starts ahead of the former for their national team and is younger. No wonder we're now hearing noises of Ajax wanting £80m for Antony. Bit annoying really. We should have had that deal wrapped up before the markets started moving if Antony, as we're lead to believe is our number one RW target.
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We would have been a very decent option for him still. Barcelona would always have been first choice, let's be clear on that. However it was clear to see they didn't have the money needed.
Chelsea were always the worry in the background, and I think while they were struggling to get the likes of Dembele & Sterling over the line they always had the capability to strike.
I think we'd have still been an attractive proposition. Your talking about moving from Leeds to London, for a club looking to break top 4, with 3 of your international team mates already there, with a technical director from that country as well and head coach with background closer to your own.
Not going to kick the toys out the pram over it though, Chelsea are just a higher level than us in most aspects these days. We need to build back to that level.
Please take him.
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The state of this sport, where players like Raphinha go for €75M. That's absolutely mental for someone like him. But then again, we bought Maguire for €80M.
I was doubting Ajax would really ask that much for Antony, but now I think they actually will. We might actually need to go for Gnabry, unless Bayern also demand that much. BuLi players though...
I was doubting Ajax would really ask that much for Antony, but now I think they actually will. We might actually need to go for Gnabry, unless Bayern also demand that much. BuLi players though...
No surprise this lad has generated a bidding war. Absolutely class and its a shame we aren't in for him.
Left footed playing on the right which probably commands a premium. I am sure Leeds and Ajax know full well how rare these players are as commodities. Everyone wants a class inside forward these days and they're far easier to get on the left. Raphinha is also a PL player which guarantees his fee is going to be at a certain level and obviously above Phillips as he's far better. So the fee is pretty logical, it probably still makes a lot of sense to buy him.
Err..no, it is the opposite. Tite always started Raphinha ahead of Antony. Raphinha is just the better player at the moment, although Antony has higher ceiling.
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If Sancho is worth £70m, or Grealish £100, then Raphinha is easily worth what’s being quoted.The state of this sport, where players like Raphinha go for €75M. That's absolutely mental for someone like him. But then again, we bought Maguire for €80M.
I was doubting Ajax would really ask that much for Antony, but now I think they actually will. We might actually need to go for Gnabry, unless Bayern also demand that much. BuLi players though...
Why?! He's fecking shit.
Whats with the Raphinha hate? the guy is class. He was doing fantastic things at Leeds. Amongst a team that doesn't fall apart every 2 minutes he will put up serious numbers.The state of this sport, where players like Raphinha go for €75M. That's absolutely mental for someone like him. But then again, we bought Maguire for €80M.
I was doubting Ajax would really ask that much for Antony, but now I think they actually will. We might actually need to go for Gnabry, unless Bayern also demand that much. BuLi players though...
Whenever we played Leeds he was the only guy that did anything against us.
I really think we'd look amazing with a forward that has that much movement, even if obviously he's not particularly clinical. Ten Hag would love him.
Sancho definitely has more potential than Raphinha and was 21 when we bought him. Grealish, do you think he was worth that? I do not. Pretty shit transfer so far.
Raphinha is good, but definitely not as good as people here make him out to be. Plus, he will be 26 next year. I think Chelsea are overpaying quite a bit.
I have an idea. Why don’t we buy Antony for 90m and use him as a touchline hugging LW?
I’d rather have Raphinha than Sancho tbh.
And while Grealish isn’t worth 100m, it doesn’t matter - it still affects the valuation of other players in the same league.
It’s why you pay £100 for a pair of trainers that cost £4 to make - because once someone will pay it, the price gradually rises until everyone’s paying it!
I'd hang fire re. Raphinha... Deco is at Nou Camp today...
Just checked. It appears you are correct. Rafinha starts ahead of him. Makes sense tbf. Based on the eye test, Rafinha is the better and refined choice at the moment whereas Antony has the higher boom or bust potential. Hopefully it's the latter aye? Fans will need to manage their expectations of him for the next year and a bit.
To be fair deco is also one of Barca scout for South Americans.
Yeh just a bit convenient he is there the day after we agree a deal, and supposedly within days of their economic levers being authorised
Movement is only one element of forward play. Werner is lacking in so many areas, not least in mentality needed to make it at the absolute top. No doubt he's available, so if ten Hag wanted him I'm sure he could get him.
You are confusing valuation and worth. Leeds can value Raphinha at 1 billion euro if they want. He is not worth it. Just as he is not worth 75M euro. Worth would be determined by how his performance compares to others in the same role across the league and beyond and his contribution to the team, which would be the result of his overall ability. Which is what I doubt - his overall ability. I don't think it's worth what is being paid for it.
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It's not nothing but it's not a bombshell either is it?
A huge chain of gazumping going on here! 
With Sterling possibly off wouldn’t it open Graelish up for minutes and also let’s see how Graelish links up with Haaland. Might very well be a great partnership
Do Chelsea fans really want him?
Why not? Their options aren't great.
We did start the fireA huge chain of gazumping going on here!
It is, they were supposedly priced out
Chelsea fans have probably been taking the piss out of Arsenal fans over hijacking the deal and all
Hijackers been hijacked.
This would be the funniest part and would ease the burn of losing out.
Deco and Raphinha making Boehly and Edu dance for him, only to get to Barca
That's a crazy statement, Raphinha is nowhere close to Sancho. There isn't really anything that Raphina is better than Sancho at. But anyway. People love underrating our own players I guess.
I wonder where they suddenly received an influx of cash from?
Indifferent. For Brazilian with Barca as dream destination, it is better to avoid anyway.
The last 24 hours have been so funny. Hijackers hijacking hijackersThis would be the funniest part and would ease the burn of losing out.
Deco and Raphinha making Boehly and Edu dance for him, only to get to Barca
Playing football in the PL…?
He is going to be great for Chelsea. Well done by the club.
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