Rashford scores the opening goal, wins a penalty, tears their right-back to shreds all game.
Come back to RedCafe at full-time: "he's just not good enough".
Come back to RedCafe at full-time: "he's just not good enough".
Rashford and Martial are a problem
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Yep fully agree, he's our second most influential player and he's lumped into a thread with a player who isn't even trying.
If you're still slagging off Rashford at this point, you've got an agenda or are clueless.
Rashford has less goals and assists than several ‘lesser’ players at ‘lesser’ teams.
He’s very, very good and much less of a problem than Martial but he should not be on this bizarre pedestal that fans and parts of the media like to put him on
Martial is the only problem. Rashford lacks consistency but even then he’s get goals and assists. Let him play LW every week and get other players filling the issues of striker and RW.
Players with more assists: Kane, Fernandes, De Bruyne, Grealish.
Which of them is a lesser player? Or are we doing that thing again where we're only talking about assists made with the left foot inside the six-yard box in the last eight weeks?
He has the most goals from any left inside forward in England and assists as well.
He isnt a stat padder, all of his goals and assists are really spread out so he is constantly affecting games.
It doesnt make sense. He is literally carrying the front 3 from the top scorers in the league
Why does it matter if Rashford isn't a number 9? It's been obvious for 1.5 that he's a left sided forward - Mane doesn't get judged by his ability to play as a number 9, so why do our fans keep mentioning it? He very rarely never plays centrally anyway, I have no idea why it keeps getting brought up
We need to keep Rashford on the left and let the other players sort out who plays centrally or on the right.
We need to keep Rashford on the left and let the other players sort out who plays centrally or on the right.
Conveniently picking assists alone when I’ve clearly mentioned goals and assist not just assists.
You’ve also excluded Cresswell and Digne but that doesn’t suit your argument, does it?
In terms of assists that you’ve mentioned, all the players bar Fernandes have played less minutes than Rashford. Some considerably less.
Cresswell and Digne have more goals and assists than Rashford?
Imagine using energy to slag off Rashford after another performance like that from Martial. It's just weird.
Which players at lesser teams do have 28 goals and assists this season then? I’d love us to sign a right sided one if you can identify one.
Some people said Rashford was shite and a flash in the pan in about 2017 and they just refuse to admit they were wrong despite all the evidence.
No you catch up.
You said Rashford has less goals and assists than several "lesser" players at "lesser" teams.
Go on then, name them. Rashford has I think 26 goals and assists combined this season.
And the only one of those players to break his back during that period of time.
I'm confused, literally or figuratively?
ok.
Rashford has less goals than Callum Wilson, Patrick Bamford and Ollie Watkins.
He also has less assists than Grealish, Digne and Cresswell.
I just don’t think he is as good as some people seem to think he is. He floats in and out of games and often offers very little for 80+ minutes of a lot of games.
He could, and with his talent, should offer more on a game by game basis.
Literally. Unless I’ve got confused about the dates?
Literally.
He broke his back last season. Only managed to return for the end of the season because of lockdown.
He had a stress fracture in his back in the middle of last season iirc
Need to offload Martial this summer. Too many other needs to address in the squad.
So he doesn't have less goals and assists combined than any of them?
Ok.
Rashford can be frustrating I agree but I think it's hugely unfair to lump him in Martial and it's unfair to criticise Rashford tonight. He had a good game.
He's in the top 4 players in Europe for goals and assists this season. Might even be 3rd now after today I'm not sure.
People having a go at Rashford constantly when we have 20 odd players worse than him baffles me.
Why the Rashford hate? He is far and away our best left sided forward. Did you not get school dinners as a kid?
Really odd to be holding these things against Rashford. Who yeah probably isn’t having his best season.
But Those three players with more goals are centre forwards. Who I think have even scored more goals than most of city’s players.
Bamford and Watkins also play in teams who are better at creating them chances than we are at creating chances for Rashford.
Grealish and Digne are two top class players when it comes to creativity and that’s their role in the team. They aren’t lesser players than Rashford when it comes to creativity. Again this is an unfair comparison and again Grealish and Digne have more assists than city players.
Essentially Rashford would have to be peak Lionel Messi to score and create more than the players you listed.
https://talksport.com/football/6980...pdate-manchester-united-ole-gunnar-solskjaer/
That Covid break made this story an unknown for me. His absence I would have remembered with a normal season I reckon.
This thread was just highlighting that the duo doesn’t work as well together as we thought last season. Is Rashford occasionally frustrating? Sure. His numbers are good but he’s wasting lots of chances and making us even more predictable a lot of the time. The one time he finally slipped Shaw in we could have scored easily. I would much rather a creator in at least one of the wing positions next season and Rashford is going nowhere so...
Martial. It’s clearly a mental problem isn’t it? It’s not a just drought. He is a player we could still get good money for and he could go on and play really well for another club but we don’t really need him. We need to get a more creative player or a pure striker in his place and the squad will be that bit more balanced.
Martial. It’s clearly a mental problem isn’t it? It’s not a just drought. He is a player we could still get good money for and he could go on and play really well for another club but we don’t really need him. We need to get a more creative player or a pure striker in his place and the squad will be that bit more balanced.
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Surprised you’d forgotten. He injured himself after a run of absolutely unbelievable form. And hasn’t really hit those heights since. Although it’s impressive that he’s remained so productive.
Isn't it hilarious? And I'm accused of "conveniently" focusing on assists to highlight just how full of crap the "lesser players" argument was (Digne and Cresswell don't have more assists anyway, so nice stat-padding, chap).
If we go by combined goals and assists, Rashford is the 8th-most effective player in the league this season. If we take away penalties (which he doesn't take while the majority of players ahead of him do - Son and Calvert-Lewin the major exceptions) he's 6th, behind Kane, Son, Fernandes, Bamford and Grealish. So sixth in the entire league, behind two of the very best players in the league, two other good players having great seasons, and one admittedly rather crap player having an outrageous season.
This is somehow meant to show that he's just not good enough.
I swear, at this point you people are better off just saying "I don't like Rashford's face".
It's baffling. It's not like we're saying he's perfect or without flaws, it's that he's clearly better than some on here are willing to give him credit for. The fact that so many of his detractors have to fall back to "the eye test" to support the argument that he's not good enough is very telling.
I think this is something that isn’t being made as big a deal of as it should. He literally broke his back when he was hitting the form of his life. To recover this quickly and be on course to have his best scoring and assisting season yet is a big deal.
Would take Ollie Watkins in a heartbeat in a hypothetical swap with Martial scenario. Heck even Michail Antonio would do a far better job than standing around like a lamp post.
Very true we should sell this summer but many of our board just care about the money he is making the club and then some of our fanbase are also a bit sentimental about him being sold which is mad
Post something, when someone posts stats to prove it wrong, move the goal posts
Only 7 players have more goals+Assists than Rashford. From open play only 5 players have more goals+assists than Rashford.
If you take all competitions and in top 5 leagues only 5 players have more goals + Assists than Rashford.
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Ok. Who has more goals than Callum Wilson, Patrick Bamford and Ollie Watkins AND more assists than Grealish, Digne and Cresswell?
Only Fernandes and Kane? And I guess you can add Son.
Basically you can use the same justification to discount Salah, Mane, all city players etc. You're funny.
Rashford and Bruno carry our attackers and thats a fact.
Rashford is of course still young and has areas where he should improve but his output is brilliant for his age.
Rashford is of course still young and has areas where he should improve but his output is brilliant for his age.
No player not named Messi or Ronaldo can score every game. You need your attacking players to score consistently with others chipping in here and there to win titles. We have Rashford and Bruno doing that regularly (albeit Bruno does score more from penalties which is fine as his role is to create and he does have a lot of assists). The gap is clearly Martial this season.
Rashford can be frustrating because of all the opportunities he spurns, but the lad is scoring regularly and assisting too. He's at that stage where you hope it clicks and he becomes this generation's Ronaldo. But he's not the issue.
Martial's form has dropped off a cliff since the end of Project restart and it's really weird. There must be more than meets the eye with how much he's out of it (and why Ole keeps trying to get him to play through it). He doesn't even look like he wants to be playing some times this season.
Martial's form has dropped off a cliff since the end of Project restart and it's really weird. There must be more than meets the eye with how much he's out of it (and why Ole keeps trying to get him to play through it). He doesn't even look like he wants to be playing some times this season.