Well if Martial is starting then that would mean one of Greenwood or Cavani is on the bench which aren't bad options honestly. Also you forgot Amad.
Rashford is going ahead with surgery and could be out until October
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Yeah this for me. I'm amazed people aren't taking more issue with how the club have handled this given what we know.
It seems some are okay with United running him into the ground whilst injured "because we pay his wages" but think we should have told him he couldn't fulfill his dreams and go away on international duty after doing so. Crazy.
Good.
In hindsight he should have pulled out of the England squad but he wasn't to know he'd get barely any playing time.
In hindsight he should have pulled out of the England squad but he wasn't to know he'd get barely any playing time.
You really are a weird poster. Actually, I also probably used the wrong word.
You said no elite sportsman would turn down the chance to represent their country in a home tournament. Well, that's exactly what Greenwood did it. Whether or not he would've got chosen is besides the point (he would've seeing as we had only two strikers in the squad), he withdrew before the squad was cut down. Thus it was his and United's decision which was ultimately the right one.
Exactly this. Shame he couldn't have been 6 weeks or so through that period already.
But he looked wrong for massive periods of last season so it needs doing.
Definitely no chance Martial goes now. And Sancho may spend a lot more time on the left than we thought.
Hopefully he comes back with a smile on his face, looks like he hasn't enjoyed his football the last six months.
Aye that's why Ollie Watkins who was in the originally in 33 man squad was selected in the 26 man squad as there's no way Southgate would've gone with two strikers in the squad for Euros. Oh wait.
Pecking order in front three this season imo
LF - Rashford > Sancho > James > Martial
CF - Cavani > Greenwood > Martial
RF - Sancho > Greenwood > James > Mata
Amad, Elanga, Shoretire, Hugill (?) - scraps or out on loan.
LF - Rashford > Sancho > James > Martial
CF - Cavani > Greenwood > Martial
RF - Sancho > Greenwood > James > Mata
Amad, Elanga, Shoretire, Hugill (?) - scraps or out on loan.
Should that not be "flimsy at most"? Anyway I support Marcus but i think injured players requiring surgery should not be allowed to go on international duty in the closed season.
I can fully understand the sentiment, but I don't agree with it. If you're so injured, that it's effecting your form, IMO, you need to get it sorted out.
At United, I can understand why he was overused a little, as we don't have strength in depth out wide (though Martial/Pogba could have covered his absence on the left) but if you're Southgate, and you have all those options, the decision is a bit clearer.
On the plus side, I am sure he's received enough expert medical advice to ensure the injury couldn't be made "worse" by playing through it. So i am sure the recovery will be fine.
Strawman. The drop off in quality between the two players is huge. Your words exactly were that no elite sportsman would turn down the chance to represent their country in a home tournament. Mason Greenwood literally did that. Why can't you accept that what you initially said was wrong?
Amad should definitely be ahead of Mata and for me James as well.
To me he is clearly better and can contribute more.
But I can see why some night argue otherwise on James as some people get value experience more than myself.
Because nothing I've seen or read in news suggests that he was gonna be selected for the 26 man squad. It seems Southgate plan was always to take two strikers and mostly play five at the back. He hardly used players like Sancho and Foden so it clearly suggests that there was no space for more attacking players.
Besides it's fairly convenient to call people strawman when the whole reason on which you based your whole argument on falls flat.
Or perhaps the reason he barely got any playing time was that he was not fully fit.
It has been the worst of all worlds:
- his performances in the latter part of last season were poor/inconsistent
- his Euro contribution was negligible (and probably demoralising)
- he will miss the first month or two of the next season
I cant see how this could have been handled worse.
I am not blaming Rashford for this, I blame the club medical staff/Ole for not being brave enough with him.
What on earth are you blabbing on about? How many times does it have to be explained to you? He WITHDREW from the squad, he wasn't dropped. You said elite sportsmen wouldn't do that. I gave you an example of someone who did exactly that. That literally is the entire argument. Mason was in phenomenal form at the end of the season and was one of our best players so there's no reason why he wouldn't have got into the squad. Rashford on the other hand had been shite for several months and was clearly not gonna start most games for England.
Okay since you're clearly getting worked up, let me explain it to you in your own language:
What on earth are you blabbing on about? How many times does it have to be explained to you? He WOULDNT have got into the squad. You said Southgate would have picked him cos he only had two other strikers in the squad. I gave you an example of why it didn't matter in the end. That literally is the entire argument.
Bored of this now, have a nice day.
hindsight is 20/20, if he scores than its a non issue. If he sits, you call him a coward trying to rest for the euros. Marcus on one leg is still better than matic and james on two legs. look at the NBA finals, Giannis is putting up astronomical numbers on one bag leg that people were screaming the Bucks to sit him out for the year. these athletes at this high level are mentally and physically built different than regular people.
That wasn't the initial argument, the one you conveniently consistently ignore which is that he withdrew from the squad, but nice to know you still won't admit when you're wrong. Ta ra.
The difference is we were expecting Pogba to leave the club and was doing his surgery mid-season to be fit for the Euros. His priority was France and himself rather than us. You could say the same about Rashford too. He's had a rotten 2021 and has progressively gotten worse each month. Both Ole and Rashford were extremely irresponsible with the handling of his treatment and ultimately Rashford has been the biggest loser in this situation. Lost two finals, relegated to a reserve for England and might come back to Sancho or Greenwood taking his place in the team.
Hopefully he comes back fired up and ready to prove his haters even more wrong.
For me the bit that’s puzzling is why another orthopaedic surgeon couldn’t be made available to perform the operation immediately after euros. That’s 3 wasted weeks which is probably going to cost him 4 or so games depending on exact timing.
He hasn’t had any time off for about a year and will be doing rehab work after the surgery. Do you not think he deserves a break at some point?
I’m talking about the orthopaedic surgeon not being available until end of July. Based on the article I read, it seemed like the only reason it’s been delayed for 3w because of the surgeons availability not Rashford wanting 3w off.
Given the story earlier that Rashford’s ankle was so swollen he couldn’t get a boot on, in addition to the shoulder injury, he should have withdrawn from the Euros, but I can’t blame him for wanting to be involved in a title challenging team this summer.
I think the delay in surgery until the end of the month is likely due to pre-surgery treatment trying to reduce the swelling in the shoulder joint as well as some strengthening therapy designed to improve post-surgical recovery.
as for the line up to start the year, I’d prefer Sancho getting bedded in at RW immediately, have Pogba on the left and Cavani/Martial (depending on form) in the middle. Greenwood can provide support on the RW (with Amad) and striker, Martial support on the LW (with James) if he’s not starting at striker. Still an extremely strong front line. Once Varane is locked up, any improvement in the double pivot should set the club up to challenge for silverware.
I think the delay in surgery until the end of the month is likely due to pre-surgery treatment trying to reduce the swelling in the shoulder joint as well as some strengthening therapy designed to improve post-surgical recovery.
as for the line up to start the year, I’d prefer Sancho getting bedded in at RW immediately, have Pogba on the left and Cavani/Martial (depending on form) in the middle. Greenwood can provide support on the RW (with Amad) and striker, Martial support on the LW (with James) if he’s not starting at striker. Still an extremely strong front line. Once Varane is locked up, any improvement in the double pivot should set the club up to challenge for silverware.
clown shit. wasted the end of season to take one pen in the Euros. Dont know why he couldnt do this last season when he was playing shite
Annoying that he’s prioritised playing for England over playing for us
Because, obviously, he scored our second highest number of goals last season and our second highest number of assists. Whether or not you thought he was “playing shite” we almost certainly wouldn’t be playing in the CL if he’d had this operation in the middle of last season.
I think he will. I was so annoyed, sad and frustrated watching him being played while obviously being hampered by multiple injuries. Rashford will be a very important part of this club going forward and could very well retire here. He needs to be managed correctly though as well as being protected from the scum.
How has he done that? By playing injured for United for a year or even one and a half?
Excellent. Better late than never buy let's hope to see him come back when he's fully recovered and not rush back needlessly.
Very rare that doctors operate on two places at once, I feel that it can have an affect on the rehab process and that you would likely require 2 different doctors each specializing in a specific area.
I remember Rashford having issues with both his ankle and his shoulder, for some reason I felt like the ankle was the main issue but it seems as if it's his shoulder.
Regardless, wish him a speedy recovery, need him back and firing asap.
Maybe he didn't because Southgate knew he wasn't fully fit ?
To say it is the right time is simply wrong. Should have been done months ago, well before the Euros. He hasn’t been right since Christmas. And the fact he had such little involvement in the Euros makes me wonder why he didn’t pull out of the England squad anyway. If I was Rashford I’d be fuming with Southgate to be honest. It’s not like England didn’t have options on the wing if Rashford pulled out.
Annoying but not a surprise. Wouldn't have wanted to begrudge the lad of potentially a winners medal though had England won.
Good lad. Needs a break. I think he’s in the top ten of matches played across the last two seasons. It’s not a big injury in career impact terms. A shoulder will heal well, his body can rest.
Non-emergency ortho is one of those areas that was put on the back burner during covid. I imagine there is quite the backlog, even in Private and paticularly if after specific surgeons. They aren't just going to re-schedule other operations where patients have also paid and had to wait.
By going to sit on the bench at the Euros instead of getting his surgery booked in for the end of last season.
Why would he be fuming with Southgate? Rashford knew he was carrying injuries and could have pulled out yet he told Southgate he was fine for the Euros.
If Rashford had pulled out of the squad and England had won the tournament, he’d have regretted it for the rest of his life. Can’t blame the guy for wanting to play, even if it was off the bench.
Doesnt Sancho have better stats when he plays from the left anyway? I can see us playing a front 3 of Sancho/Cavani/Greenwood with Martial being backup for both Sancho and Cavani.
Doesnt Sancho have better stats when he plays from the left anyway? I can see us playing a front 3 of Sancho/Cavani/Greenwood with Martial being backup for both Sancho and Cavani.
