glazed
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Actually quite funny that the holdouts keep bumping the thread.What's important is you understand that you lost
Actually quite funny that the holdouts keep bumping the thread.What's important is you understand that you lost
I will go for leao from Milan.3 years younger and his stats are similar to rashford this season. I believe he has a higher ceiling than rashford.
There's definitely less than 5, other than Mbappe who's better? I guess Son and Mane are in the conversation based on previous seasons form. Vinicius is another?There are probably less than 5 LWs better than him in the world. Which one do you think we can get?
I’m not sure what ‘literally gave up’ means (do you know the meaning of ‘literally’?). The stats posted by another poster above suggest his work rate was fine. And regardless of the options in the poll, no one made anyone choose an option. I didn’t vote in the poll as both options were daft. I would have played it exactly how it has gone, I.E. get a competent manager in and see if Rashford gets back on track, as he has always had huge, obvious potential.You do accept Rashford was in no position to negotiate a bumper contract last summer?
Ten Hag obviously agreed he didn't deserve one as he wasn't offered one. He gave him a chance to prove himself and to be fair to Rashford he has improved.
There was no option in the poll for the above option.
Our dilemma was obvious and I don't think it was near as clear cut as you are making out.
Rashford literally gave up in games last year, didn't try. This is pretty much inexcusable for any player never mind one earning massive money at one of the biggest clubs in England (this is why a replacement would have seemed like a good idea). The fans were rightly pissed off with Rashford and I've seen better players sold for less.
He stopped running and defending, literally. You know it as we all were discussing it for last 2 months of the season. You can pretend it didn't happen but we all know it did.I’m not sure what ‘literally gave up’ means (do you know the meaning of ‘literally’?). The stats posted by another poster above suggest his work rate was fine. And regardless of the options in the poll, no one made anyone choose an option. I didn’t vote in the poll as both options were daft. I would have played it exactly how it has gone, I.E. get a competent manager in and see if Rashford gets back on track, as he has always had huge, obvious potential.
I can’t see any sensible way to spin selling Rashford as a sensible option. It was silly then and silly now.
ThisHad nothing at all to do with pressing. He was literally walking around the pitch most of the time. No runs in behind. Bailing out on 50/50’s and even balls he looked favorite for. Half-hearted jogs while he should be tracking back, leaving his fullback 2v1 regularly…
It was shocking, and I find the amount of revisionism in this thread sad really. Four months of good form does not excuse or forgive that. I hope we wait to see if he can carry this form into next season before rewarding him with a new contract.
Lack of effort is worse than lack of ability surely? One is a choice.I think complaints about Rashford's on-pitch demeanour and performances are not without merit. He looked disinterested and unwilling to put in the physical effort. What I don't understand is how people put that down to a lack of ability and consequently wanted him sold. He absolutely needed to pull his socks up effort-wise, and probably get in better physical shape. We're seeing the results of that.
Okay. Let’s put that to one side then. Are you going to maintain that selling him would have been a good decision, or admit it would have been a bad call?He stopped running and defending, literally. You know it as we all were discussing it for last 2 months of the season. You can pretend it didn't happen but we all know it did.
He let his club down, especially the fans who payed good money to go see the games. I might forgive it but I certainly haven't forgotten it.
When Gary Neville brought it up on Sky Sports he knew his sulking game was up and decided to knuckle down but he really should have been more professional at a time when we were at such a low point.
great postWhy isn't this thread locked? All us nay sayers were wrong. He's back and he's amazing. End of.
Obviously with hindsight but I don't think it was outlandish to think selling him could be the right thing. Probably wanted this current scenario to be honest. I mean it could easily have gone the other way. He definitely changed his attitude post Rangnick.Okay. Let’s put that to one side then. Are you going to maintain that selling him would have been a good decision, or admit it would have been a bad call?
Aye, opinions don’t need to be cast in stone, it can be fluid and change over time. Not sure what the big fuss is, really. I thought he’d given up the past 18 months and worst of all, the lack of effort was a slap in the face.Why isn't this thread locked? All us nay sayers were wrong. He's back and he's amazing. End of.
I was in that same camp. But we all knew Ole ran those players into the ground reckless as he was, while I had no idea Rashford was not mentally in the right frame of mind for such a long time. He looks a completely different player now. I think he needs tying down, within that new wage structure mind. And I suspect hardly anyone wants to sell him now.Aye, opinions don’t need to be cast in stone, it can be fluid and change over time. Not sure what the big fuss is, really. I thought he’d given up the past 18 months and worst of all, the lack of effort was a slap in the face.
If we had sold him, then so be it, and if such a poll existed for just about every other player in our squad, I’d have voted “sell” there in majority of those polls in all likelihood as well - based on what we saw from them. This wasn’t really scapegoating Rashford, per se, not from my perspective anyway.
But credit to him for turning it around and even more credit to EtH in turning the culture and standards at this club around (who knew what impact an actual top coach would have, right?). Hopefully we just go from strength to strength from here on in.
Yeah, there was absolutely mitigating circumstances around all those performances - the dressing room and culture was toxic/broken at the club. But these polls don’t exist in a vacuum, per se. The guy is on £200k a week and was putting in those shifts (if he wasn’t physically or mentally well, he shouldn’t have forced Ole or anyone to play him - but I digress), so if the option was selling or renewing at a higher salary, I voted “sell”. I’d have done the same for 80% of the squad, I’m sure. Shaw included. And look at them now. It still pisses me off thinking about the drips and drabs of form and effort we’ve gotten from a lot of these players but I guess that’s where we can see the effects of a top class coach now, versus the ones we had. Hopefully it sustains this time.I was in that same camp. But we all knew Ole ran those players into the ground reckless as he was, while I had no idea Rashford was not mentally in the right frame of mind for such a long time. He looks a completely different player now. I think he needs tying down, within that new wage structure mind. And I suspect hardly anyone wants to sell him now.
He might want to leave himself (for more money) because haven't United brought in a wage cap at £200,000 p/w which is his current payment I believe.Yeah, there was absolutely mitigating circumstances around all those performances - the dressing room and culture was toxic/broken at the club. But these polls don’t exist in a vacuum, per se. The guy is on £200k a week and was putting in those shifts (if he wasn’t physically or mentally well, he shouldn’t have forced Ole or anyone to play him - but I digress), so if the option was selling or renewing at a higher salary, I voted “sell”. I’d have done the same for 80% of the squad, I’m sure. Shaw included. And look at them now. It still pisses me off thinking about the drips and drabs of form and effort we’ve gotten from a lot of these players but I guess that’s where we can see the effects of a top class coach now, versus the ones we had. Hopefully it sustains this time.
But alas, if anyone still wants to sell him/them now, I’d question their sanity![]()
He didn't stop running and trying for what it's worth, his defensive stats were as good as ever last season.![]()
Rashford's defensive stats by the way, still looking at where his effort was supposed to have dropped.
Yeah I’m not sure that wage cap is a good idea - not when you want to compete at the top end for talent. It’s dreamland stuff IMO.He might want to leave himself (for more money) because haven't United brought in a wage cap at £200,000 p/w which is his current payment I believe.
I wasn't against it at the start of the season, but that's why the majority of fans aren't coaches, ETH has made every player a few levels better.Amazing how many people on here are changing the minds… I’d say at least 80% of people wanted us to sell rashford at the start of the season… without him I’d hate to know where we’d be.
Yeah only two goalsHasn't looked threatening against a League One team. The doubters are proven right so far tonight.
But we want to laugh at you forever.Why isn't this thread locked? All us nay sayers were wrong. He's back and he's amazing. End of.
Looked clear to me he never really left first gear too. Hopefully he's fit and ready for the City game.Yeah only two goals
I always believed he’d become the player we all knew he could under a progressive manager that plays a good brand of football.I wasn't against it at the start of the season, but that's why the majority of fans aren't coaches, ETH has made every player a few levels better.
I think so yeah.Looked clear to me he never really left first gear too. Hopefully he's fit and ready for the City game.
Bloody slackerYeah only two goals
People only want to believe what they think and want to find any to blame. It’s why many in player performance threads write so much nonsense.He didn't stop running and trying for what it's worth, his defensive stats were as good as ever last season.
Yes, any problem?Dude have a purple patch and two years of sulking is forgiven?
Hasn't looked threatening against a League One team. The doubters are proven right so far tonight.
I'd say so.Dude have a purple patch and two years of sulking is forgiven?
Dude have a purple patch and two years of sulking is forgiven?
Agree. We voted on him when he was the complete opposite of what he is now.Why isn't this thread locked? All us nay sayers were wrong. He's back and he's amazing. End of.