Most aren't vilifying him though, they're rightly happy that an underperforming player that's had a bad attitude for far too long has finally left.
Rashford | Villa don’t have priority | sell price is set at 40m
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
You’re almost certainly trolling by now but I’ll answer.
You said show me one contract, how about Rashfords contract?!? As evidenced by his actions, the contract clearly allowed for him to be loaned out but maintain the same wages - which he obviously exercised. All he has done is act within the terms of his legally binding contracted that he was offered and signed.
If you don’t want that to happen, as a club, simply write it into the legally binding contract.
It’s hardly rocket science.
And you're certainly spoiling for a fight with your rude responses to everyone. Cut it out.
Oh, buddy. There were a million different ways to handle that and you somehow picked the dumbest one.
Silly mug.
Eulogy for Sir Marcus
Before Cheimoon launches Sir Marcus's withered carcass into the pit, I have a few words to say about the great man.
He was a pioneer of forum debate, using skills he had honed through many years of sniffing jelly pens in the back of the bike sheds outside school. He wielded the English language like a piss head wields an XL Bully with a small child in its mouth. A modern day Timothee Chalamet or the star of Deadwood and Justified, Timmy Elephants. Here are some of his finest moments.
The forum is merely a foru without his presence. Now, as the kazoo orchestra plays the theme from A.L.F., we bow our heads in respect to this master of sparkling wit and social repartee.
Pap pap paap, pap pap papa pap papapap....
Before Cheimoon launches Sir Marcus's withered carcass into the pit, I have a few words to say about the great man.
He was a pioneer of forum debate, using skills he had honed through many years of sniffing jelly pens in the back of the bike sheds outside school. He wielded the English language like a piss head wields an XL Bully with a small child in its mouth. A modern day Timothee Chalamet or the star of Deadwood and Justified, Timmy Elephants. Here are some of his finest moments.
The forum is merely a foru without his presence. Now, as the kazoo orchestra plays the theme from A.L.F., we bow our heads in respect to this master of sparkling wit and social repartee.
Pap pap paap, pap pap papa pap papapap....
Ah shit he's already been banned.
That was speedy.
Oh dear.
He just tells it like it is.
lol
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Saying you are ready for a new club and putting things in writing in a contract arent equal. He is entitled to every single penny the club agreed to give him in writing. Unless they put a clause saying wages can be forfeited if statements like that were given by the player.
Lets make a moment of silence for Sir Marcus.
Yeah that can happen but I’ve never seen someone lose salary on a PIP and I’ve given loads of the ruddy things
I haven’t once said everybody else is to blame. I’ve blatantly said every party has handled the situation terribly.
Ah, my apologies.
i heard marcus holds in huge dumps over the weekend to make sure he only uses the toilets at carrington. then he always takes a couple of toilet rolls home with him, even though he’ll never use them.
Legally speaking that's all fine.
But morally speaking, if an employee signs a contract and then stops putting effort into their job, they are stealing their wage as far as I'm concerned. It's abusing the contract, and at that point it's fair enough for the employer to ask them to take a pay cut.
Of course, if a persons character is one of arrogance and laziness, like Marcus Rashford, then they'll decline and continue collecting a wage that is very much not earned
Yikes, he got speedbanned.
An edit but left your glaring mistake?
sir marcus really had his number.
rattled
Is that in America?
Anytime I've seen them in jobs in Ireland it's if you are underperforming in your agreed duties. If they started throwing in extra stuff that colleagues didn't have to achieve in order to get you to quit, I'm pretty sure the employee have a good case for constructive dismissal over here.
We had one employee where I work where he wasn't given impossible goals, like getting in on time, and still ended up leaving because he was lazy and jumped before he was pushed. Though he jumped too early.
Lads have any of you dealt with HR before? I’m talking about in a firm that’s legal not some dodgy cowboy shit.
If someone is abusing their contract they would go on a PIP with clearly defined goals that they must meet. They’d have regular meetings with the manager and/or HR. If they don’t meet their targets they’d be liable to get warnings leading to ultimately dismissal.
Now this wouldn’t be the same as football. In football the player would be told what needs to happen to improve, possibly get fined, possibly get dropped from the squad, and ultimately sold or released. None of it would be reducing the salary as it’s protected under the contract unless you sit down and propose a new contract and the player agrees and signs. If not for that, you will be breaking the terms of their contract if you cut their money.
Now I don’t know what happens in cases where someone goes on loan but I would imagine that his contract salary still needs to be paid. It’s up to the clubs to decide who’s paying what share.
Football isn't the same as normal jobs. The usual employment rights don't apply. There seems to be almost no such thing as gross misconduct.
This is correct, and the market works that way, its hard to escape. One example is Lyon, when Aulas was president. Lyon made lots of titles domestically and great runs at CL.
He was known for being a hard negotiator and, several times, kept players against their will. He even bragged, one time, for 150 million cash on hand.
What happened is, with time, he stopped having great players, and clubs and agents gradually stopped making business with him. Not only he sold the club, but they are nearly broke (of course, other factors involved too, i just cut it to make the point).
What's that got to do with it?
Point I was trying to make.
Don’t fully agree with your 2nd sentence though. If it says in his contract that he has to be paid X, then a club can’t change that unless they mutually agree to new contract terms
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Probably seen this. Simon Jordan makes me laugh
Probably seen this. Simon Jordan makes me laugh
Is there any connection whatsoever to what you're quoting and the conversation at hand?
The point I'm making is that, if he's not putting in commitment on the training pitch, which surely must be in his contract, there should be a mechanism for disciplinary action and an improvement plan.
Yes absolutely but not financially changing the terms of his contract.
You could stick him on the transfer list and force him out but bit change the salary that’s been signed off in contract
I think I read somewhere that there is a special clause for wearing Kanye West paraphernalia, but Rashford escaped sacking because Brailsford thinks he dresses more like Elton John.
This is the bit I'm having difficulty with.
As I said before I understand things are different in the football world.
A club can't say to a 30 goal a season Marcus "here's £300k a week" and then the next season say take less as you scored less. Unless obviously the contract stipulates that ie performance related.
However if a player decides he wants to go elsewhere then isn't this, in your words "new contract terms"?
The club have allowed or facilitated his demand/request. His wages were an obvious deterrent to other clubs. So to say "look Marcus you want to go and that's fine, however we can't be paying you £200k a week to play elsewhere. So either you need to reduce your wage demands or get a club that is willing to pay a larger percentage".
Ultimately the club can say your contract is with us, go play with the youth team and we will pay you. Basically you can't leave as we ain't paying?
Maybe I'm being thick, genuinely not being contrary or facetious (as was claimed earlier). Just can't understand that this isn't simply asking a player to take a pay cut as per the contract. Surely the contract is between player (Marcus) and club (Man Utd) not Aston Villa.
I hope he can find some joy on the pitch, he can't be match fit or in peak condition physically or mentally.
But a few goals is all he needs. I don't want to see him back at United tbh but I don't want him to be a failure either.
But a few goals is all he needs. I don't want to see him back at United tbh but I don't want him to be a failure either.
He’s on loan, so United will ultimately still be obliged to meet his contractual salary. He may sign a temp contract with Villa but begins the scenes the club would work out the mechanisms of how he gets paid