Id take 20 if they were offering
Rashford | Villa | Loan with option to buy
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Id take 20 if they were offering
So would I but I am guessing the 40M price quoted is because we know we are going to have to pay him off to sign for Villa due to them inevitably offering a far lower salary. CL football obviously would help them to sign him but I also wonder if Arsenal might come back in for Watkins after getting knocked back in January, Rashford is actually younger and more versatile than Watkins although far more inconsistent. Emery may feel it is an upgrade.
Im increasingly thinking we're stuck with him.
Very unlikely but never say never. Watkins is already 29. Sesko is 21.
I think he is coming back in the summer but I just don't see a return to the squad. My fear is that due to his age, wage and inconsistency there will not be any serious bidders and it is just going to be a series of loans with us eating half of his salary so he can play for someone else until his contract expires.
I think he is coming back in the summer but I just don't see a return to the squad. My fear is that due to his age, wage and inconsistency there will not be any serious bidders and it is just going to be a series of loans with us eating half of his salary so he can play for someone else until his contract expires.
Unfortunately that's the situation we face with at least 5-6 players.
If Villa aren't fully convinced about trying to sign him permanently what does that say?
Watched the highlights yesterday of Villa v PSG game. Rashford gave the ball away, basically stood there and watched while PSG ran up the other end and scored.
They say a picture paints a thousand words, well that summed up rashford for me. One of the most important nights in Villa's history and I have just given the ball away and I cant be arsed to run back and get back into position (off the ball team shape) or run back and try to make amends.
Watched the highlights yesterday of Villa v PSG game. Rashford gave the ball away, basically stood there and watched while PSG ran up the other end and scored.
They say a picture paints a thousand words, well that summed up rashford for me. One of the most important nights in Villa's history and I have just given the ball away and I cant be arsed to run back and get back into position (off the ball team shape) or run back and try to make amends.
When we averaged 1.36 points per game, as opposed to what 1.1 now?
Over the course of a season, the pre Amorim side gets 52 points as opposed to 42.
We’ve gotten shitter under Amorim, even if fans like the idea we now have a ”better mentality”. I hope ultimately those fans are right, but looking at us in most games, we’re shite, with a much more defensive set-up and I don’t see the amazing transformation in our mentality that some others do.
I’m also extremely worried that Amorim’s only personal signing for his system so far looks, well, a bit meh to say the least.
How shite we look defensively, on set pieces and open play the second we leave out Cas bothers me too, because this manager came in and just like with Rashford and Antony, couldn’t wait to alienate him.
It’s probably too early and we’ll see after the Summer but the early signs aren’t filling me with optimism.
We have no choice now but to cross our fingers and hope he’s the right man for the job.
How long was your highlight video 10 seconds? He created multiple big chances that could/should have been converted, got a very good assist and for most of the time he was on 2nd half looked good and for the majority that watched the game he was probably one of the last people who should have been subbed when he did.
Yes he had a good game as an attacker but didn't do the required defensive work again.
Compare him with Saka who against Madrid was still helping out his right back into the last 10 minutes of the game.Getting back, doubling up, being a nuisance to the Madrid attack.
Rashford, absolutely no effort off the ball on the defensive part of the game. A team can carry the defensive work for a Salah or Vino Jnr who have ridiculous output in the attacking sense, but rashford is nowhere near that level.
He was the striker, his job was clearly stay up top and wait for the long ball and to try to him them on the counter. Not that it should be applauded but when the ball went to Donnarumma he closed him down every time and quite clearly Emery was happy enough with the effort to start him both legs and not sub him till very late on.
I’m not up for an argument about whether Amorim is doing a great job or not. I just think the idea that Rashford leaving has made us “absolutely miles shitter” is far too simplistic because it ignores important factors such as how shit we were when Rashford was still at the club and Diallo getting injured shortly after he left. Which you seem to be on board with seeing as some of issues you have with Amorim have nothing to do with what our attacking players are doing.
Has he come close to completing 90 minutes yet?
It says that Villa need to be very careful with what money they can spend.
Villa started Rashford in their biggest game for many decades, leaving Watkins on the bench.
Probably be at Chelsea next year. £150m obligation to buy. £2m penalty clause if you don’t want to do so.
That he's a player who has been on the steady decline for the past couple years, it's nothing new.
81 mins against Preston seems the closet to 90 he's gotten. Villa do have the luxury of bringing on actually talented players though Malen, Asensio, Ramsey, Watkins all start for us.
If Rashford can keep his G/A contribution at 0.6/game with Villa this season, he won't be short of option in summer.
How many villa attacking players have finished 90 mins? The same as Rashford?
And somehow @Powderfinger managed to turn that into a stick to beat him with. Impressive!
I don't know you'd have to check but you can only make 5 subs so typically one of the forwards plays the full 90, normally Rogers. Looking back over the last few months it's normally 3 of the forwards getting rotated nearly every game.
Its a selection that shows both the player's strengths and weaknesses. Great that Rashford could beat out Watkins, not great that Emery won't trust his work rate on the wing to play them together in a match where they likely needed to score at least three.
Why did a random Arsenal fan decide we needed 10 posts worth of AI slop about Arsenal in the Rashford thread...?
EDIT: Fair play to the mods for getting rid already.
EDIT: Fair play to the mods for getting rid already.
I assume it's to see if he's a good fit for Arsenal? Don't know why you'd need Ai for that but Arsenal need that 20+ a season goal scorer and that's not Rashford. He'd probably do a job rotating with Martinelli but for the price and wage you could do so much better and get someone who'd probably push Arsenal to properly compete.
If they want a busted flush of a LW who turns up in moments but is mostly living on the memories of the 22-23 season, they already have Martinelli.
Not going to fight them off if they want to give us good money, of course.
No, no, no. Rashford is exactly what they need and we can offer a special friends and family discount to Arteta of just 75M quid. Get it done Mikel, you know you want to.
Got Sterling too.
Played 90 minutes against Brugges. Asensio has played 90 minutes twice. They’ve been Villa’s best two players since being there but, as you say, Emery has the luxury of rotating so none of his 7 forwards are over-used).
He is going back to Chelsea at the end of the season though, Rashford can take his minutes on the bench and model the new away kit so they can save Saka for the actual games.
Yes. Sterling is going back to Chelsea. Trossard will be 31 and contract expires in 2026. Martinelli's G/A/90 is not that great as well. If Arteta decides not to extend Trossard's contract this summer, then Arsenal needs another LW to rotate/compete with Martinelli. Nick Williams has been mentioned but I heard he fancies Barcelona. Trossard costed £27 million back then, and Harvey Barnes costed Newcastle £38 million. So 40m for Rashford is not bad at all even with his salary demand, if he can maintain his output level at Villa.
Ah thanks. Is crazy the depth they have, then tonight we'll be relying on basically the staring 11. Scary how far we've fallen off where Villa can bring on 4/5 forward players that get in are 1st team.
Arsenal under arteta work their socks off on their shape, doubling up, tracking runners and generally being hard to beat.
Rashford won't do any of that.
That's why I asked AI for data analysis. Anyway this is just for fun.
Fair enough. Missed you're initial post so wasn't sure what it was all about. Like I said he'd do a job coming off the bench I think or in games where it's a bit more open but i think you'd want more for your money then that. A loan wouldn't be bad though.
I heard Arsenal is paying around 30% (around £97,500) of Sterling's weekly wage of £325,000. Trossard is on £90,000. If Rashford can lower his salary demand a bit, it is not too bad financially, only if he can maintain his current Villa output. A big if.
Wasn't even aware of your winger situation didn't realise Trossard was that old and thought Sterling was permanent
Think he's going to have to lower is wages wherever he goes and Arsenal could do worse then a loaned Rashford, who can play as a winger and ST. Would probably be rotation for both if you hopefully bring in a striker this window but wouldn't be bad rotation option.Like I said before, this is just for fun. Arteta's priority this summer probably is striker, then replacement for Jorginho.Wasn't even aware of your winger situation didn't realise Trossard was that old and thought Sterling was permanent
Would you take him today against Lyon instead of Højlund?
Based off of his performances since his move to Villa, yeah I would. Not watched Antony at all but heard he was doing decent too so he'd probably get a start as well if we're judging players who are loan. Sancho is probably the only one a majority of us wouldn't start.
If you can do a stepover there will always be a large constituency of fans that will never tire of overlooking the many flaws in your game. He's probably had about 160 minutes of looking like a decent footballer spread out in small 5-25 minute cameos, spread over the the last three and a half calendar years.