Rashford

beck7 said:
Would be amazing if he goes to city or pool. Kind of player I’d wish for the rivals to buy more of.
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Kind of think it's in premier league teams' interest to continue to make Rashford United's problem by not buying him.
 
SER19 said:
I cant remember another footballer in my time who gets reported on as Rashford does. BBCs latest piece about 'Rashford's 40m transfer belief' is just the latest in a long long line so blatantly led by the player/his 'people' and the media. Im aware that people might come at me for this, but given stories like this, or the ridiculous one just before he left, does anybody have any doubt at all that Rashford was one of the famous 'leaks' we've had for years - both re player stories to media re managers and training, and the weekly line up problems. Certainly, other than being a bit shit, it would go a way to explain why absolutely dead set against him Amorim seems.

Either way its going to be a terrible end to a United career that started promisingly, but I'll be so glad when he's officially gone. Hopefully he gets an overseas move so we don't have to endure endless puff pieces anytime he does anything useful in the PL.
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I don't know about the line up leaks, but the constant PR reporting really is insufferable and completely embarrassing for the journalists involved.

I can understand if it's a no mark journalist taking the opportunity for a cash in and some spotlight, but surely for someone working for the BBC or Henry Winter, your reputation is worth more than a cringeworthy Rashford PR piece? I can't take Winter seriously as a journalist anymore solely because of his Rashford pieces. I think he must be a bit thick.

Also it's really disrespectful to Villa. It's not like he's carried them. He's had a couple of good cameos but they were a better team without him there, and it's actually hard to say if the latest article is because Rashford and his people think they'll miss out on the CL, or because Villa have told him he isn't good enough to stay there. I suspect it's the latter.
 
Smores said:
Hope we don't subsidise his wages, he'll be desperate to move so he can ensure he gets in the next England squad. We should make it clear it's not an option.
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This is the key. Great timing for us with the World Cup a year away. IF he has any professional ambition left, he’ll want to move somewhere he’s wanted/will play so that he can make the World Cup squad, even if it means taking a pay cut.
 
ATXRedDevil said:
This is the key. Great timing for us with the World Cup a year away. IF he has any professional ambition left, he’ll want to move somewhere he’s wanted/will play so that he can make the World Cup squad, even if it means taking a pay cut.
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We can’t/wont surely subsidise his next contract.

He came out and said he needed a new challenge. It’s on

We’ll soon find out how much he wants that new challenge - if he’s willing to take a drop

Either way, we should play hard ball and refuse.

Agree with an earlier poster as well that he’s being hugely disrespectful to villa. As a villa fan I’d be pissed. Given an opportunity only to constantly flirt with Barcelona
 
I think he's overplaying his hand a bit here. He's acting like Mbappe or Haaland who could have picked almost any club in Europe, but he's nowhere near that level. Even at £40m transfer, the total package including his wages for three years would be close to £100m. He doesn't want to go to London and I doubt very much we'd sell to Liverpool or City (or that they would want him).

Barcelona are struggling financially and aren't going to pay that for a second choice forward. Real Madrid are also already overloaded in his position, as are PSG. So that basically leaves Newcastle and Villa in this country (the latter of which he doesn't seem to keen on and the former I'm not sure would be interested). In Europe there is Bayern and the Italian clubs - none of which I can see paying those kind of wages to a player who is not a sure thing.

So where does he plan to go? Is he just going to sit his contract out and hope that Amorim gets replaced within a few months? Or maybe end up at Villa who he has appeared lluke warm towards at best so far.
 
bgoodall said:
If Barcelona is interested in Rashford than Im the new Pope. Where would he even play? He’’s not good enough anymore despite what he and his pr team thinks. Nonsense.
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I think his entourage / team are part of the problem. What team is going to pay him £325,000 a week? Barcelona won't, the entire squad has taken paycuts to play for them. He's not good enough to start for them on a regular basis.

Can't see many takers when he refuses a paycut.
 
noodlehair said:
I don't know about the line up leaks, but the constant PR reporting really is insufferable and completely embarrassing for the journalists involved.

I can understand if it's a no mark journalist taking the opportunity for a cash in and some spotlight, but surely for someone working for the BBC or Henry Winter, your reputation is worth more than a cringeworthy Rashford PR piece? I can't take Winter seriously as a journalist anymore solely because of his Rashford pieces. I think he must be a bit thick.

Also it's really disrespectful to Villa. It's not like he's carried them. He's had a couple of good cameos but they were a better team without him there, and it's actually hard to say if the latest article is because Rashford and his people think they'll miss out on the CL, or because Villa have told him he isn't good enough to stay there. I suspect it's the latter.
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Exactly my thoughts and you're correct, Villa better in last 5. These journalists simply have to be getting paid by Rashford and his crew for them to keep doing it, hes barely an England international now and hasn't been much more than a sub in years. He nowhere near justifies the volume and tone of their pieces
 
SER19 said:
Exactly my thoughts and you're correct, Villa better in last 5.
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Rashford has only been unavailable for the last three games, one of which saw them embarrassingly humbled by Palace at Wembley and the other two were narrow 1-0 wins (and they certainly missed him against Fulham when they were hanging on at the end). They quite clearly haven’t been better without him.
 
Doracle said:
Rashford has only been unavailable for the last three games, one of which saw them embarrassingly humbled by Palace at Wembley and the other two were narrow 1-0 wins (and they certainly missed him against Fulham when they were hanging on at the end). They quite clearly haven’t been better without him.
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Think you're misrepresenting things here, those were 2 really hard fought wins the pressure on against very good sides. Prior to that they battered Newcastle with him on the bench. The overall point being made stands, Villa don't need Rashford and don't look better with him. Same as most decent clubs in the word, don't need him and he won't improve them
 
I think he's lost all contact with the reality of where he is as a footballer. Demanding no pay cut from 325k plus champions league football leaves zero realistic destinations.
It's a shame for what might have been.
 
Hes always been like this ever since he claimed be in the 0.012% alongside Jesse Lindegaard.
 
It's kind of a disaster if we end up loaning him out again. He's a £40m player, when he is motivated and fit. It should be possible to get a transfer fee out of him.
 
If you read this article about how Flick turned around Barcelona, you realise Rashford would never fit in. Any player late for a meeting is dropped from next game. Designer clothes are banned, official club wear only.

Even Yamal was dropped for not tracking back and doing enough off the ball defensive work. Now he has some of the highest pressing and tracking back stats in la liga.

Theres no way you would bring a disruptive influence like rashford into a tight team like that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cr7zvpgygmvo
 
I actually think Rashford could learn to press.

He's never bothered because he has never actually needed to. He's lived in a coddled environment since he broke through, it never impacted his position as a starter, the media never made a talking point of it either, and there were always far more pressing issues in the side to work with more urgently.

I think in a functioning team with high performing standards where everyone knows how to press and does it collectively as a matter of course, and he'd be the odd one out in the fight for a place because he doesn't, he'd start doing it.
 
awop said:
This has got to be the biggest agent-led lie of the season.
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Yep, the notion that terminally broke Barca are going to find 40M behind the sofa cushions to buy a player who is objectively worse than players they already have for the same position is delusional to put it kindly.
 
B20 said:
I actually think Rashford could learn to press.

He's never bothered because he has never actually needed to. He's lived in a coddled environment since he broke through, it never impacted his position as a starter, the media never made a talking point of it either, and there were always far more pressing issues in the side to work with more urgently.

I think in a functioning team with high performing standards where everyone knows how to press and does it collectively as a matter of course, and he'd be the odd one out in the fight for a place because he doesn't, he'd start doing it.
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Amorim asked him to press and trackback and he refused. Do i think he would change now? No i doubt it. Its a shame as a kid as young and talented as Yamal can see the benefit to his game and career, but a 10 year older rashford cant.

ps, i think messi and ronaldo are to blame for this in modern football. However they were both so unique in their peaks and so talented going forwards that managers made the exception.

The egos of lesser players like rashford, memphis depay etc think they can do the same. But they arent anywhere near messi and ronaldo levels.
 
top stars not wanting to carry water is nothing new. Look at Hagi back in the day, ffs. The difference is, fewer indulgences are made in the modern game.

Salah for example, doesn't track back much. But no one can say he doesn't work hard.
 
B20 said:
top stars not wanting to carry water is nothing new. Look at Hagi back in the day, ffs. The difference is, fewer indulgences are made in the modern game.

Salah for example, doesn't track back much. But no one can say he doesn't work hard.
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One way I think of it is that a team can afford to have one player that doesn't work hard on the defensive side of the ball, but no more. But the conditions are that the player needs to be a part of the front-line. Brazil has tried it with Neymar at the 10 and it's just makes it too easy for opposing teams to play the ball into their CMs and get space and time to create from there. The other condition is that the player needs to be very good at starting counter-attacks, in terms of being in space for those passes, being able to receive them consistently be it via skill, strength, speed or a combination, and be able to keep those counters going either by running with the ball effectively or with good passing.

I think Rashford became very ineffective at the latter part. His dribbling at speed and ability to make a good pass without slowing a counter-attack down are soooo far below the level of a Salah.
 
dinostar77 said:
Amorim asked him to press and trackback and he refused. Do i think he would change now? No i doubt it.
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I think he could. There's never been any consequence before and I don't think he believed there would be any with Amorim either. those bridges are burnt now and he obviously needed to be made an example of as well. Testing a rehabilitation scenario was never in the cards.

Of course, it's also possible that he just doesn't have the willpower to match his ambitions. Plenty of good players have been signed as a risc and then been bombed out when it turned out their apetite wasn't going to change in a different environment. See for example Balotelli.
 
giorno said:
Is that true or are you making that up though
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It's why he was left out for so long and went out on loan. Amorim tactics require a lot of pressing and running. Rashford would sulk or not do the required running in training i.e. primadonna.

"What I say is I couldn't put Marcus to see the way you're supposed to play football and to train the way I see it," Amorim said.
 
dinostar77 said:
It's why he was left out for so long and went out on loan. Amorim tactics require a lot of pressing and running. Rashford would sulk or not do the required running in training i.e. primadonna.

"What I say is I couldn't put Marcus to see the way you're supposed to play football and to train the way I see it," Amorim said.
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that quote doesn't say what you said though
 
Gazza said:
Love how this poster straight made up some "disturbing news" and then bounced from the thread and never replied to people asking where he heard the news. Bizarre.
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I once saw Rashford across the road from my flat outside Majestic wines With loads of bags full of booze. Call the papers!
 
I hope the club has finally learned it's lesson when it comes to youth products and their contracts.
It'll be better for all involved when he finally leaves and we can move on as a club.
 
Now transfer thread New
Since he won’t be playing again this season, this has now become his transfer thread
 
I just love how Oshimen is 60 and Rashford 40. Both fell out with thier clubs. Both on loan. Both high wages. But Oshihmen has one year on his contract and Rashford is an England International and Prem proven and played for a bigger club. How does that work
 
UpWithRivers said:
I just love how Oshimen is 60 and Rashford 40. Both fell out with thier clubs. Both on loan. Both high wages. But Oshihmen has one year on his contract and Rashford is an England International and Prem proven and played for a bigger club. How does that work
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It's because Rashford is washed.
 
UpWithRivers said:
I just love how Oshimen is 60 and Rashford 40. Both fell out with thier clubs. Both on loan. Both high wages. But Oshihmen has one year on his contract and Rashford is an England International and Prem proven and played for a bigger club. How does that work
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I think its mostly because Rashford is absolutely crap, and his best role is in a position that there are countless brilliant players of all ages in, as well as his mental salary that he seems to feel he's worth. Whereas Osimhen is a rarer thing, as a classic 9, with 83 goals in his last 105 club games across 3 seasons.
 
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