[OverratedOpinion]

Pretty sure that tells us more about you than about me. I took the time to report that post.

Your schtick of over the top petty criticism of players followed by "hey guys I'm just talking here" is incredibly boring.

Don't worry, I won't cause you the need to totally reasonably use the report function any more. I'll chuck you on the ignore list to make sure you have a nice time doing whatever it is you are doing here.

 

[Ali Dia]

great finish!

 

[NZT-One]

Your schtick of over the top petty criticism of players followed by "hey guys I'm just talking here" is incredibly boring.

Don't worry, I won't cause you the need to totally reasonably use the report function any more. I'll chuck you on the ignore list to make sure you have a nice time doing whatever it is you are doing here.

Shocked you haven't done so a long time ago given that opposing views than your owns seem to agitate you so much. And for the record - I am posting my opinions on here just as everybody else.

edit: and I wouldn't need any "schtick" if people would just stick to the topics without getting personal

 

[criticalanalysis]

What? Not at all. WTF?! I was noticing a celebration that I thought was out of place. Thats all.

Mate, seriously. I made an effort twice to make sure me mentioning this behaviour cannot be seen as some sort of damning verdict on the player. I didn't even call the celebration stupid. FFS. Is there a chance that some of you are so eager to get into arguments?

Thanks for telling me my feelings are ok.

Was I? Don't remember to be honest. Has nothing to do with me not liking the player or anything like that. And just for the record - I have no issue with people asking "why bro?" (even though I thought, I made a reasonable effort to give context in two posts) but the reaction was "moaning" and "jesus wept". I am sure, you see a difference, right?

I'm jumping to logical conclusions so I won't assume anymore. How about you explain yourself more clearly then?

By 'out of place', what do you mean by this? He shouldn't have done it?

Why did you feel his celebration was out of place?

Why do you feel it's justified to feel his celebration was out of place?

How should he have celebrated whereby you wouldn't have felt it was out of place?

 

[NZT-One]

I'm jumping to logical conclusions so I won't assume anymore. How about you explain yourself more clearly then?

By 'out of place', what do you mean by this? He shouldn't have done it?

Why did you feel his celebration was out of place?

Why do you feel it's justified to feel his celebration was out of place?

How should he have celebrated whereby you wouldn't have felt it was out of place?

Seriously? You are aware of the fact, that we are talking about a subjective impression one person (me) had when I watched the game. No idea, why you feel needed to go into some sort of interrogator role now, given that we have already established, that you had a different subjective impression. Never have I said that your position would be wrong or inaccurate or anything. I wasn't even acting as if my standpoint would be reasonable one or more reasonable or anything like that.

So what do you want to achieve here? Do you want me to say sorry for voicing a personal impression?

I explained myself pretty well I think in the first post. I think, the gesture was out of place because I saw it as a reference to stone cold killer. I don't think this fits the situation given that Hojlund went more than 21 games without a goal. I also said, that it probably means nothing and that most likely a lot of pressure was falling off of him and that my impression, that this might be sign of a bit of obliviousness towards the current situation on his part might be just me having no connection to having signature celebrations and assuming potential meaning when there clearly isn't one.

All that was said in my first post. The only reason why I explained the gesture in detail is because you asked what I meant and I wasn't aware that it's been a 1:1 reference of a movie. Even in that 2nd post, I added context to make sure, that this is not me being bothered by it or considering it a big mistake.

If this is some sort of gotcha moment hunt, say it now and we can stop right away. If my posts create an emotional reaction, consider to put me on ignore just as the other guy.

 

[Freak]

Hopefully the goal increases his confidence now and he goes on and scores more.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Hopefully the goal increases his confidence now and he goes on and scores more.

I think it's the goal and also his performance in the week. I'm not sure what happened but he suddenly looked a lot more on the same wavelength with his teammates.

Amorim came out recently and praised the work he is doing even though he isn't scoring. I wonder if that helped him get out of his own head a little.

 

[Waynne]

I don't know if it is something popular from a music video or Fortnite or something. It was a gesture I know partly from Gladiator, the moment where the Imperator posts a thumb up or down, up means mercy for the defeated in a gladiator battle in a colloseum, thumb down means the defeated will be killed off by the winner. Hojlund made the thumbs down gesture and added something along the lines of slit a throat, indicating a reference for a killer I guess.

Again, nothing wrong with stuff like that. But it surely doesn't fit in the situation because he hasn't shown anything that he would be a coldhearted killer, even in a transfered sense to football. It just feels increndibly unfitting. Again, I realize that there probably was a lot of pressure falling off of him. And probably it means nothing. I still noticed it. I think others in the match thread did as well.

I think you're reading too much into it. He's happy to get a goal and we should be happy for him. I'm not his biggest fan but the relief for him to get on the scoresheet again must be immense. Hopefully this gives him the boost of confidence he so desperately needs.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Seriously? You are aware of the fact, that we are talking about a subjective impression one person (me) had when I watched the game. No idea, why you feel needed to go into some sort of interrogator role now, given that we have already established, that you had a different subjective impression. Never have I said that your position would be wrong or inaccurate or anything. I wasn't even acting as if my standpoint would be reasonable one or more reasonable or anything like that.

So what do you want to achieve here? Do you want me to say sorry for voicing a personal impression?

I explained myself pretty well I think in the first post. I think, the gesture was out of place because I saw it as a reference to stone cold killer. I don't think this fits the situation given that Hojlund went more than 21 games without a goal. I also said, that it probably means nothing and that most likely a lot of pressure was falling off of him and that my impression, that this might be sign of a bit of obliviousness towards the current situation on his part might be just me having no connection to having signature celebrations and assuming potential meaning when there clearly isn't one.

All that was said in my first post. The only reason why I explained the gesture in detail is because you asked what I meant and I wasn't aware that it's been a 1:1 reference of a movie. Even in that 2nd post, I added context to make sure, that this is not me being bothered by it or considering it a big mistake.

If this is some sort of gotcha moment hunt, say it now and we can stop right away. If my posts create an emotional reaction, consider to put me on ignore just as the other guy.

I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious how you was able to read so much from an obvious performative celebration. I guess my 'issue' here, is that in my opinion it doesn't matter if it was from a movie reference or not. To look at it and potentially deduct the thought of 'it seems like he's not been aware of how poor he's been playing to justify that' is bit of an over the top critique, especially when it comes to someone like Hojlund, who despite being shit on the pitch hasn't really shown attitude/work rate problems on and off the pitch (except for most recently in one game).

You've pleaded ignorance and that you've not bothered by it but the underlying problem is that he's not been playing well, so your initial impression felt his performatory celebration was 'out of place'.

I mean I'll sort of get it, if it were about Lingard and Pogba constantly posting a lot social media but just after a striker has scored a goal following a horrific run of form? As you've said yourself, just old man shouting to the cloud type of stuff, quite bizarre.

 

[Tallis]

I think he has looked better in the last half a dozen games or so. Holding the ball decently well enough and getting in positions. He created an assist in the home Europa match and now the goal. Hopefully he keeps the momentum up and bangs in a half dozen goals in the remaining matches this season

I think there is a player there.

 

[foolsgold]

Delighted for the lad, I've never given up on him, saw enough last year to give me hope that he could come through

 

[Red Shorts]

That was one of the more difficult opportunities he has received to finish but wow, that was well taken on his weaker foot. I bet he felt the weight of the world off his shoulders after that.

 

[Teja]

Still haven't given up on him but I'm not really sure how his hold up play can be so garbage for a guy that big. Surely you have enough strength to hold off a guy like Faes or Thomas!

 

[Desert Eagle]

I actually like his celebration. Just goes to show how a bit of confidence makes such a big difference to a player. Still think he's not ready to start consistently for us and I don't think he has any elite attributes but as long as he works his tail off and combines well with his teammates it will help us perform better.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Excellent finish today. More power to the lad!

 

[utdalltheway]

Agreed. Happy to see him get that goal. That was not a tap in either so will do wonders for his confidence.

 

[flappyjay]

He is capable of going on a goal scoring streak. Hopefully this is the beginning.

 

[Davie Moyes]

Upped his game since his chat with schmeichel.

That's what I thought also.

 

[Tallis]

Still haven't given up on him but I'm not really sure how his hold up play can be so garbage for a guy that big. Surely you have enough strength to hold off a guy like Faes or Thomas!

He is just not good with his back to goal. He should just focus on running the channels and either going for goal or taking it wide until there are runners to support him.

 

[Real Name]

Took his goal well. Onwards and upwards!

 

[Revival2024]

Most of Hojlund's issues stems from his first touch. If he improved on it then his hold up play would be better. He tries to compensate by backing into the defenders and he ends up losing the ball. I'm not sure if you can fix the first touch issue but his off the ball movement needs to be elevated.

His first goal was excellent. He made that pass from Bruno due to his darting runs down the channel. However, against a top class center half or defender, he won't get the opportunity to take 4 or 5 touches before finishing. He must be more decisive and efficient in the box. His box movement needs to improve too. Timing for near-post or far post crosses. Show that you are more hungry than a defender to score. His aerial ability needs improving too. Make your presence felt.

Most importantly, it's his overall fundamentals that needs a shift up before he can claim to be a good striker. Improved performance against Leicester but must do better. Saying all that, I still believe United need to sign a few forwards. Can't rely on a forward who scores once every 3 months.

As I've said, Manchester United is not a creche daycare center. Your age won't save you. Do you want to be a star or do you want a pacifier? Carve your path.

 

[Schmeichels pinky]

no wonder he scores when the team slowly begins to improve and play Amorim-ball. Yes, he needs to improve as has been evident from day 1, but he has so much potential.

Laughable to criticise his overall game last night, was really good. But following this thread it shouldn’t come as a surprise that half of the posts after what ought to be a great relief for all fans whatever you might think about him are about nick picking and finding errors or his celebration.

 

[Schmeichels pinky]

As I've said, Manchester United is not a creche daycare center. Your age won't save you. Do you want to be a star or do you want a pacifier? Carve your path.

Really? That’s a surprise. I’m glad you told us and sure it will help the players who think they are in daycare.

Also happy you share that binary world view with us - I thought it was much more nuanced, but it’s so much easier if you can just divide people into two categories. Quite Trumpian, actually.

 

[Revival2024]

Really? That’s a surprise. I’m glad you told us and sure it will help the players who think they are in daycare.

Also happy you share that binary world view with us - I thought it was much more nuanced, but it’s so much easier if you can just divide people into two categories. Quite Trumpian, actually.

You are entitled to your view. I don't think there's anything relevant to deeply decipher in your statement.

 

[pacifictheme]

Think his last two games have showed signs of life but I still don't believe he will ever lead the line here if we want to be successful sadly. Seems like a good guy.

Hopefully he goes on a bit of a run now because we need him to.

 

[flappyjay]

no wonder he scores when the team slowly begins to improve and play Amorim-ball. Yes, he needs to improve as has been evident from day 1, but he has so much potential.

Laughable to criticise his overall game last night, was really good. But following this thread it shouldn’t come as a surprise that half of the posts after what ought to be a great relief for all fans whatever you might think about him are about nick picking and finding errors or his celebration.

Last season he was scoring but his overall play left a lot to be desired. This season atleast the last few weeks his overall play as a 9 is much better.

 

[RoyH1]

So happy for him. Whatever his limitations, he's a hard worker.

 

[Dans]

Seriously? You are aware of the fact, that we are talking about a subjective impression one person (me) had when I watched the game. No idea, why you feel needed to go into some sort of interrogator role now, given that we have already established, that you had a different subjective impression. Never have I said that your position would be wrong or inaccurate or anything. I wasn't even acting as if my standpoint would be reasonable one or more reasonable or anything like that.

So what do you want to achieve here? Do you want me to say sorry for voicing a personal impression?

I explained myself pretty well I think in the first post. I think, the gesture was out of place because I saw it as a reference to stone cold killer. I don't think this fits the situation given that Hojlund went more than 21 games without a goal. I also said, that it probably means nothing and that most likely a lot of pressure was falling off of him and that my impression, that this might be sign of a bit of obliviousness towards the current situation on his part might be just me having no connection to having signature celebrations and assuming potential meaning when there clearly isn't one.

All that was said in my first post. The only reason why I explained the gesture in detail is because you asked what I meant and I wasn't aware that it's been a 1:1 reference of a movie. Even in that 2nd post, I added context to make sure, that this is not me being bothered by it or considering it a big mistake.

If this is some sort of gotcha moment hunt, say it now and we can stop right away. If my posts create an emotional reaction, consider to put me on ignore just as the other guy.

I felt the same btw. This poster who's gone off on one at you is the one with an issue.

 

[Lash]

Said to my dad before the game, if he can't score against these lot, theres no hope for him. Everything about his game was better after that, even holding it up well and some nice turns to get away from Coady.

 

[Maagge]

Good to see him get a goal.
I know it's tempting to move him on if we get a decent offer in the summer. But I think the club will be looking to add one striker in his prime if possible and then go into the season with Højlund and Obi as backups to the new guy.
We need to get away from having one senior striker.

 

[NZT-One]

I think you're reading too much into it. He's happy to get a goal and we should be happy for him. I'm not his biggest fan but the relief for him to get on the scoresheet again must be immense. Hopefully this gives him the boost of confidence he so desperately needs.

I agree with both those points.

I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious how you was able to read so much from an obvious performative celebration.

I couldn't remember seeing this celebration with him so wouldn't go along with obvious performative. But won't be a hill for me to die on.

I guess my 'issue' here, is that in my opinion it doesn't matter if it was from a movie reference or not. To look at it and potentially deduct the thought of 'it seems like he's not been aware of how poor he's been playing to justify that' is bit of an over the top critique, especially when it comes to someone like Hojlund, who despite being shit on the pitch hasn't really shown attitude/work rate problems on and off the pitch (except for most recently in one game).

Ok. I personally don't think, that workrate plays a role in this, but overall I agree.

You've pleaded ignorance and that you've not bothered by it but the underlying problem is that he's not been playing well, so your initial impression felt his performatory celebration was 'out of place'.

Correct.

I mean I'll sort of get it, if it were about Lingard and Pogba constantly posting a lot social media but just after a striker has scored a goal following a horrific run of form? As you've said yourself, just old man shouting to the cloud type of stuff, quite bizarre.

It would be even more out of place or more strikingly out of place by the two players you mentioned. As I said, I would be fine if he had gone berserk celebrating like a mad man given his draught. I didn't choose to be irritated by it, it just happened, same way I noticed it when Maguires celebration looked as if he'd thought, that his critics were all wrong. I think, I remember Rashford pointing at his ears or something and Dalot is a little strange as well. As said, it probably is me looking for potential meaning where there is none.

I felt the same btw. This poster who's gone off on one at you is the one with an issue.

Thanks!

 

[Rozay]

Delighted for him on a personal level. If he can join our extremely tiny list of goal threats for the rest of the season it would be a great help. At the very least, we need Europa League Hojlund back for the rest of that competition if we want to win it.

 

[GL21]

yes he got his goal but his turning point was the game before I feel. think he's going to be a confidence type player and that's fine because I can't see him go in a stretch here with valuable contributions. definitely have faith in him and will offer a lot to our team. Looked slightly disinterested in the past when the chips were down but he's young and had very little to work with. think him and bruno are examples of how we can move forward as a team

 

[Kostov]

Pleased for him scoring, he was shot of any confidence the past couple of weeks.

 

[ThomasEmil]

Good on the lad. Can only wish good things for our players. No negativity needed.

 

[Schmeichels pinky]

Last season he was scoring but his overall play left a lot to be desired. This season atleast the last few weeks his overall play as a 9 is much better.

Yes, he’s improving now which is uplifting, though I do think people forget that he did showed positive signs as well last season apart from the goals

 

[CannibalSpectre]

He’s a terrible footballer who has a fantastic shot on him. Seems like a good lad and I’m pleased for him that he scored, but we need to ship him out this summer. He’s never going to be at the level we need.

Agreed. I'm glad he scored yesterday, but I can't help but point out how awkward his running looked before he took his well taken shot for the goal. He seems like a good kid but we need more. With that said, I hope he pops in with a few more goals towards the cause before the end of the season.

 

[criticalanalysis]

I couldn't remember seeing this celebration with him so wouldn't go along with obvious performative. But won't be a hill for me to die on.

So if he had 'celebrated like a madman', that would have been 'normal' and not 'out of place'? Wouldn't it have made sense to then realise anything else other than that i.e what he did, after watching football for how many years (I'd imagine quite a bit, as we all have), it would have been 'not normal' and therefore potentially 'performative'? That's a very logical jump unless you've been hiding a rock and are 'surprised' by celebrations that are not just running to the corner flag and raising their hands. I wonder what must go through your head when a player does an anime reference, puts the ball under their shirt or some other 'non-traditional' celebration.

I didn't choose to be irritated by it, it just happened, same way I noticed it when Maguires celebration looked as if he'd thought, that his critics were all wrong. I think, I remember Rashford pointing at his ears or something and Dalot is a little strange as well. As said, it probably is me looking for potential meaning where there is none.

Except you did choose to be irritated or whatever definition you want to label it by it by calling it 'out of place'. The reason why I had asked you those pedantic and specific questions is because it all stems from whether Hojlund has been playing well or not to justify his 'not normal celebration' actions. I'm glad you've reiterated many times it is a 'you' thing but your language of 'I didn't mean to point it out like it's an issue', 'my bad probably', 'I'm merely having an opinion', 'it's just based on feeling', is odd when the crux of it is 'he's been shit, I don't like him showing anything other than hands up in the air'. It just reeks of 'I'm just asking questions'. Glad we cleared that up. I'm not the only one who pointed that out btw. No hard feelings, I guess you're just a old fashioned traditionalist.

 

[M Bison]

The posts in here are ridiculous, pick your toys up and move on, load of babies whinging and whining, too much time on your hands

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

Glad that he's broken his goal drought, but I'm not getting over excited just yet! The club still needs to bring in an experienced, accomplished goalscorer in the summer.

At the moment, Rasmus is playing for his United future. If he finishes the last couple of months in good form, scores a few more goals and shows improvement in his overall game, he might just about earn another season, but only as an understudy to a more experienced striker.

Almost as encouraging as the goal itself was the run he made. It's the type of run he needs to make more often and hasn't been doing enough of. Sure he got lucky with the Leicester defender making a mess of the interception, but if he keeps making those runs, he'll get moments of luck like that.