The Mount goal really resonated with me that's what I want a United Number 9 to be able to do. Rasmus is not capable of that sadly.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
No. Clubs will always pay big money for a striker who might be the next big thing. It has nothing to do with a daft superficial similarity.
Big money was paid for Nunez, Ramos, Vlahovic, Osimhen, Isak, Kolo Muani, Jovic - mostly on the idea of potential. Some worked out, most didn't. Hojlund isn't any different.
I repeat myself, but why do people keep saying that, when one of his best moments for us was outpacing VdV?
Because regression and a lack of conviction is clearly apparent.
It'll be a miracle - to me - if he has a serviceable game in the final, let alone a good one.
Would be amazing for him and us if he did, but there's no way I'm tilting that way going into the game as that would be blind faith.
Haaland changed the profile of what top clubs were looking at. It’s not superficial and has nothing to do with their similar hair. I believe that if Haaland hadn’t come along, top clubs would have continued to seek mire rounded strikers than Hojlund. Players like Lukaku had fallen out of fashion with the best clubs, strikers didn’t need to put up stupid numbers as such, teams wanted players who could score and do a bit of everything. Then Haaland broke the scale, and I think teams wanted to speculate that Hojlund could be the next one.
If there was no Haaland, he’d have been seen as too limited for the top teams. That’s my suspicion anyway.
Just saw the Jiminez goal for Fulham against Everton, a towering header and thought there's just no chance Hojlund ever scores a goal like that.
And then I thought actually has Hojlund ever even scored a header for us?
Has he? I can't think of one.
And then I thought actually has Hojlund ever even scored a header for us?
Has he? I can't think of one.
I think the inclusion of Lukaku kind of goes against your point. Different clubs have paid good money for him multiple times both before and after the emergence of Haaland.
20 years before that, both Juve and Milan paid massive money for Pippo Inzaghi who basically couldn't do anything else with a football other than poke it into the net. I think clubs have always been willing to spend on players they think will be able to score, even if they don't offer much else.
He has no redeeming features of a striker.
Poor movement, poor hold up play,poor aerial ability, poor ability on the ball.
For someone who loses every aerial battle and cant trap a cement ,i expect him to always try to stay away from defenders,instead he occupies defenders, loses the ball and we are under pressure again.
We should not loan him,the world will see how really bad he is and his value will further depreciate ,we should find a buyer now some people may think that United may be the problem not him
Poor movement, poor hold up play,poor aerial ability, poor ability on the ball.
For someone who loses every aerial battle and cant trap a cement ,i expect him to always try to stay away from defenders,instead he occupies defenders, loses the ball and we are under pressure again.
We should not loan him,the world will see how really bad he is and his value will further depreciate ,we should find a buyer now some people may think that United may be the problem not him
Loads of Hyperbole in the thread. I wonder if someone can do a percentile in terms of G+A for strikers under 23 in the last 10 years.
Yea I agree, though I think we could have gotten him a little cheaper.
I think this is a reasonable opinion, and I think teams will start to move away from the idea.
The moves Lukaku made before, and especially the choices of Italian teams 20 years earlier don’t really have much relevance to the trends at the time. At the time, Real were winning everything with Benzema, Pep had pioneered the false 9 even and teams were playing 3 up top with a centre forward who could both score and link. City had started dropping Aguero despite him putting up great numbers, with Pep favouring Jesus, Arsenal got rid of Aubameyang and United were developing Antony Martial (at the expense of Lukaku was was benched and then sold).
If Haaland was not, at that precise moment, doing what he was doing - United almost certainly wouldn’t have spent 64m on a limited striker with an unspectacular goalscoring record but looked to have great physicality. That just wasn’t the model at that time. When you look at Hojlund, he caught the very brief window of what the European super clubs were after. When you step back and look at it, this is not even what they were looking for. United went big early on Martial. Mbappe was in high demand. If there was no Haaland, my guess is that Kolo Muani would have been the choice we went for, as he actually fit the profile of what the model was becoming at the time before Haaland went crazy.
No he’s never scored a header for us
He scored one in the Champions League last season.
Sorry, was referring only to Premier league
Yeah, it also wasn’t a header that really showcased him being strong in the air. It’s not like he had to beat a man or be accurate. More like a headed tap in.
Mentioned this yesterday. Once Amad had beaten his man, he was clearly looking for Hojlund to attack the space in behind the defender. In fact, he seems to point to direct Hojlund to the space. But Mr ‘I don’t get service’ just did not show the right instinct, and by the time he started moving, Amad had basically given up and moved on to Mount.
also just showing how important a wingback in Amorim’s system. Any decent attackingWingback instead of Amass, it would be another goal.
I was meaning to post about this incident the other night as an example of Hojlund's terrible movement.
I could see it at the time and was shouting at Hojlund to make the f**king run through the gap on the right and Amad will play you in. Then Amad literally starts pointing at where he wants Hojlund to run. Hojlund eventually makes the run he should have made 3-5 business days earlier, by which time the chance to play him in is gone, and Amad has to play it to Mount instead.
I also posted a few days ago about the chance he butchered in the 1st half where if he took a touch on his right, he'd have had a chance to shoot at goal on his right. Instead he tries to control the ball (badly) on his left, back into where all the Bilbao defenders were, and the chance is gone.
He just has such terrible technique, movement and attacking instinct.
Arguably also shows the folly in it. Ideally, that flick from Mount should be going to a player in the mould of Rashford, who would be expected to score there. I can’t think of many ‘decent attacking wing backs’ who you generally ‘expect to score’ in promising situations. It’s more of a hope/pleasantly surprised - but there are few who I would say I ‘expect to score’ in the manner I would if a decent attacking left winger was receiving the ball instead of Amass.
He literally only thinks to make the run once told to by Amad.
It was a clear one on one with Gk if player could control it well and just twat it. Even though i don’t really rate them as wingback, i expect even Dalot or Maz would score. But they have to get into that position first.
Dalot maybe. Maz has yet to score a goal for us, and most full backs fail to take the majority of presentable chances that fall to them. I think you underestimate the difficulty of such situations for players without those instincts and temperament.
Yeah. Probably i was being harsh on young Amass. But i actually don’t have any expectation on him this season.
It should fall on player like Rashford, but it’s not gonna happen on this system. I just want to emphasize the importance of having attacking wingback on Amorim’s. He could a winger ala Amad or just fullback ala Marcelo.
Ayd Heaven knows he's miserable now
Indeed. And probably fair comments on Amass, I doubt anyone has particular expectation on him this season.
Regarding the rest, if we are going to use this system then I just want people who have a high probability of doing something more often than not with such situations. I would imagine that this would have to be a winger by trade. Certainly, the probability is a lot higher if the player is a trained forward (a good one) than a trained defender. Even the likes of Marcelo and Alves - they were fantastic but I suspect if they were good enough to become wingers then they would have become wingers. Gareth Bale became a winger because it was clear that he could regularly make a difference where it matters. I just think the chances of finding a full back (let alone two!) who can match that to a high level is extremely unlikely. So many more situations like this will break down as we keep demanding high offensive productivity from full backs who simply don’t have the quality and/or composure to deliver consistently.
I don’t actually blame the players at all. I think we have an excellent set of full backs. Dalot and Mazraoui are a great set of right backs, and I think Dorgu would make a great left back. The constant fecking up of promising situations in the final third is only natural. They are being asked to do what is beyond them. They have spent most of their careers playing a supporting role to those deemed to have the ability to do what we ask. Wan-Bissaka was once a winger but ended up as a full back. Antonio Valencia was once a fairly non-productive winger who ended up getting moved back. The likes of Saka and Bale worked their way forward.
Bring back wingers I say.
I mean this clip actually shows some interesting decision making, Hojlund was late to recognize, Mount opted to pass to the Amass instead of the Hojlund even though he was still onside and had a better shooting angle, and Amass instead of shooting first time or even hitting a cross back to Hojlund had a bad first touch. I think a more confident group of players would've made better simpler choices.
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The worst striker the club has ever had.
I’m honestly sick of him.
Easily
He can only score if the balls 0.5 yards and the keepers the other side. There is nothing else that he reliably can score off
Even CR would miss a sitter or two in a game. The issue is that when you lose 2 per game for the whole year, then you are just a bad striker.
Spending 70 million to end up with a downgrade from Weghorst and Ighalo is one of the most unlikely achievements in football, but by gum Manchester United did it.
Worse than Manucho
?I'm sick of watching him waste chances and give the ball away.
Time's run out. Very average.
How he made it to this level, we will never know.
Only we can spend this amount of money on a pure dud.
Only we can spend this amount of money on a pure dud.
Averaging one goal every 7.5 games in the league.
fecking pathetic.
fecking pathetic.
Has to be shown the door this summer, all he does is wrestle players.
He doesn't commit to get on chances. Better suited to the WWE
He doesn't commit to get on chances. Better suited to the WWE
Strong finisher with high potential people said.
Guy is easily the worst striker which this club had. And we had Manucho and Bellion.
Guy is easily the worst striker which this club had. And we had Manucho and Bellion.