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Rasmus Højlund | Signed for United
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Mehdi Taremi from Porto should definitely be under consideration favourable contract situation while still at good age to contribute but should be comfortable sharing minutes in theory and also some what of similar profile to Højlund so that's the added bonus as rotating them wouldn't disrupt team dynamic much .
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All good and fair points, but spending 5 x 10m on great talents instead of 1 like Hølund for 50m also spreads the risk. In business (generally speaking) spreading the risk is good. As you mention some might fail and some might just make the bench, but that’s okay too imo as 10-15m for a bench player is a fair price at Manchester United.
Time and a long run of games to develop for a 50m player like Højlund is also a factor. With an academy player like Garnacho, McTominay or whoever, it is generally more accepted that they’re in and out of the squad until the right one performs and “make it”.
If we sign a player with a 50m pricetag then we kind of have to play him to justify the outlay. And we have to be patient too by giving a long run of games, which is not optimal if the player dont perform.
Spreading the risk and creating competition is also something that has worked incredibly well at City (except for Haaland) they’ve usually bought two big talents for each position instead of a big name and then made them compete and drive the best out of them. We could of course do this with Højlund and another big talent too, but the point is that a lot of big talents creates competition and therefore in itself develops these players maybe 10-20% more
Some of you are simply taking the percentage without factoring your assessment on the players potential.
Back then Real Madrid has bought a 18 year old Vinicius Junior for 40m, absolutely insane money at that time for someone so unproven and inexperienced. Granted it took a while for him to develop after moving there, he is now one of best forwards in the world.
If you think it’s too long and we can’t afford that time, look no further at Enzo, who has been linked to us last summer for around 15m. Finally we pass the chance to sign him and he was grabbed by Benfica for around the same price. And it only took another 6 months for Chelsea to splash 130m on him.
And people wonder why we are so bad in doing players transfer business.
Back then Real Madrid has bought a 18 year old Vinicius Junior for 40m, absolutely insane money at that time for someone so unproven and inexperienced. Granted it took a while for him to develop after moving there, he is now one of best forwards in the world.
If you think it’s too long and we can’t afford that time, look no further at Enzo, who has been linked to us last summer for around 15m. Finally we pass the chance to sign him and he was grabbed by Benfica for around the same price. And it only took another 6 months for Chelsea to splash 130m on him.
And people wonder why we are so bad in doing players transfer business.
Ferguson would be even more if he could be pried out of Brighton and he's 2 years younger. But thankfully he's not going anywhere!
Is he really any good? Piatek was good for a while too in Serie A
We bought Martial for more i think?
The lad is huge, strong, and fast. Also appears to have a surprising amount of technique. Holds the ball well and even brings his teammates into the game as well. The only questions are his mentality and attitude, but only those actively working with him would know, so it's up to the club to do due diligence on that. He will never be as good as Haaland (but who is?), but if he puts in the work, I can see him flourishing under Ten hag and his coaching staff, and being good for us. The striker market is barren and ridiculously overpriced. so a £40-50M fee seems fair enough. It's a risk, but we have already taken so called "proven" players, like Maguire and Sancho, and it hasn't worked out for us.
He’s also a proper wrong’un.
He is a better player than all those mentioned and is probably better than the two new CFs
Think that’s true, but Martial was relatively less of a gamble at that time as he also won the Golden Boy and has called up to France in the same year when he joined us.
Vinicius Junior was a total unknown when Real bought him for 40m at age 17, when he barely even kick a ball in football game. There was an agreement for him to stay at Flamengo for a year before moving to Real at age 18.
https://fbref.com/en/players/491a433d/Rasmus-Hojlund
His being in the 99th percentile (among forwards) for progressive passes received and 90th percentile for touches in the box make me a tad worried he's in a wonderful position to be Atalanta's striker, because Zapata and Muriel have peaked at Atalanta under Gasperini (and not so prolific for Colombia simultaneously), but Ilicic and Papu Gomez were really brilliant playmakers and they're gone and Lookman and Palisic just aren't that level of creative talents (I know Lookman has improved) so it's probably unfair to ding him for that too much.
Can't offer much evaluation in terms of the actual player, haven't seen him play a full 90 yet, just highlights. You'd have to think he might need a year or 2 as a backup.
His being in the 99th percentile (among forwards) for progressive passes received and 90th percentile for touches in the box make me a tad worried he's in a wonderful position to be Atalanta's striker, because Zapata and Muriel have peaked at Atalanta under Gasperini (and not so prolific for Colombia simultaneously), but Ilicic and Papu Gomez were really brilliant playmakers and they're gone and Lookman and Palisic just aren't that level of creative talents (I know Lookman has improved) so it's probably unfair to ding him for that too much.
Can't offer much evaluation in terms of the actual player, haven't seen him play a full 90 yet, just highlights. You'd have to think he might need a year or 2 as a backup.
Vinicius is a good example, but the good examples are there to see because they make it and therefore is more visible.
The bad examples are forgotten and players/talents for spanish clubs like Jovic, Malcom, Semedo were all very good talents too when signing and now they just aren't.
The point is a lot of players have potential, but it can go both ways. Watching only the Enzo/Vinicius examples paints a wrong picture.
Thanks for that
They have the same head shape
Get this done quickly please, i want this guy
This will be big statement by us if we manage to bring in two strikers in one window. regardless if we bring Kane
I disagree here with you, because United have not bought one good striker in recent years to lead our attack, it was always something on loan or for a short period of time. Tell me one club in the world of United caliber that hasn't had an established striker in their team for the last 10 years.
Last world class striker we had was Van Persie, we tried with Lukaku and Ronaldo, but things didn't work out for them, however, I think our priority is to buy world class striker this summer, regardless of his price who is ready to step in from day 1.
And as for Hojlund, I like him, but he's not ready to lead our front yet, I'm sick of being told every year that we're building for the next 2 or 3 years and groom him for the role, enough with this.
This summer we should do the opposite of what you said.
Now is the time to buy players like Kane,Rice etc to push for the premier league next season, we have the foundation, it's time to build on it.
I wouldn't be against spending 55m on him if that means we still get a good striker,, goalkeeper, center back and center midfielder. Which is why the Vinicius example may be a poor one. Madrid were a club with a complete squad challenging for top trophies. They could afford spending big on unproven talent that will barely play.
Also seen mention of how we could miss out on him and he would develop into an expensive signing. As if 55m isn't already expensive enough
Also seen mention of how we could miss out on him and he would develop into an expensive signing. As if 55m isn't already expensive enough
While I agree there are many failed projects, it’s really up to our scouts and manager to unearth those young talents which would suit our project in hand. If they don’t think Hojlund is the right player for us, they shouldn’t go for him even if he only cost less than 10m or something. However if they do rated his potential, 55m shouldn’t be an obstacle.
Well Haaland only cost 4m few years back and was very much attainable according to Ole, and later again we rejected the chance to buy him for 20m before he went to Dortmund. The thing with young talents, if we miss the train, we miss the train, someone else would take him and become forever regrets for us.
Same goes for Enzo, we miss the train to sign him for 15m last summer, he then cost Chelsea 130m. I am sure you lots would be happier if we are going to sign Enzo for 15m instead of wrestling for Mount for around 55-80m.
But no, we don’t spend money on unknowns, we’d rather overpay huge amount on established star, who often later become flops.
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Did a little research for a few names for the experienced striker role. There's Ben Yedder, Gérard Moreno, Rodrigo, Taremi, Icardi, Morata and Fulkrug.
I think I'm particularly intruiged by Taremi though that's just purely based on looking at his stats. He'd probably be cheap to with one year left and Portos situation
I think I'm particularly intruiged by Taremi though that's just purely based on looking at his stats. He'd probably be cheap to with one year left and Portos situation
Didn't we buy Martial as a youngster 8 years ago for 30m rising to 50m or something. You will always need to pay for potential and this kid has it.
Fast, strong, somewhat explosive forward.. he's a lot better than Darwin Nunez, right? Somewhat apprehensive about this. His touch seems a bit average, from the extremely limited highlights I've watched.
We should be paying £35-40m tops for this guy.
They want £60m for a player they bought for £15m only a while ago. Again, another club taking the fekin piss because we're United.
I really hope that when the new owners come in they change that mentality in other clubs, that were not going to get fleeced just because we're United. We need to start putting more pressure on the players themselves, that we are only going to pay a certain amount and if they want the move to United then they have to play hardball with their club and force the move through. Otherwise we walk.
£60m...ffs. Go do one.
They want £60m for a player they bought for £15m only a while ago. Again, another club taking the fekin piss because we're United.
I really hope that when the new owners come in they change that mentality in other clubs, that were not going to get fleeced just because we're United. We need to start putting more pressure on the players themselves, that we are only going to pay a certain amount and if they want the move to United then they have to play hardball with their club and force the move through. Otherwise we walk.
£60m...ffs. Go do one.
Right profile of player to sign, but from the little I’ve seen, he doesn’t inspire me. Still, this is the type of signing we should be making.
Then don't read it. No ones forcing you to.
I think fans don't really appreciate how warped the transfer market is, especially for striking prospects going to a wealthy club.
Do you think any of those names are acceptable for a title challenge next season?
Jesus Christ. There's censorship of literally spelling out his name?! There's a conversation in a thread in the general discussing whether or not he's being brought back in the fold. Seems incredibly random on here with that particular topic.
What did we pay for Antony? Chelsea for Mudry?
60 seems like the price you would imagine based on the current market.
Probably the best sum up of Højlund available at the moment.
Totally agree.
I thought we addressed this when we played hardball with Sporting over Bruno and we sent out a message we were not going to be fleeced in the transfer market...it didn't last for long.
Nope
Exactly. Let’s stick to Kane, Osihmen, Ramos, Vlahovic and Kolo Muani
Doubt we will challenge next season anyway
Only the first two on this list are acceptable for a title challenge and they don't guarantee anything really.
Hojlund is basically saying we'll depend on Rashford and Martial for the striker position again next season. He's as ready as Sesko was last season. People overrate that kind of talent all the time here.
Nobody here was talking about him 6 months ago. How has he suddenly become favorite for the CF transfer that we are looking for?
Similar thing happened to Sesko last season. Nobody knew who he was until we got linked with him once. Then people wanted us to spend 40m on him j
I genuinely believe our First option is to buy Kane and have R Hojlund as a back up because the kids young and can play across any of the front three positions. We won’t sign Kane but could sign him in January if we are in a title challenge as Levy will be desperate to get £60m knowing he’s going to lose a prized asset on a free. Therefore we are looking at a 6 month fix as option 2 and it seems we want Neymar on loan, move Marcus in some games to 9 have Rasmus Hojlund on the bench with Antony or Sancho, Garnaucho and maybe Amad. We might sign a more experienced M Thuram whose 26 and can also play anywhere in front free plus he’s on a free.
It seems the big money for a striker looks too be moved towards a M Caciedo or D Rice and M Mount to upgrade the Midfield. We want osimhen or Kane but both cost a fortune. We could easily negotiate R Hojlund at €45m plus €15m add on clauses which the club and he might achieve but this is how the deal will go and make sense.
Its clear for once, the club has a strategy driven by ETH and supported by JM.
Diego Costa(£60m) in goal as our new number 1, KMJ as an upgrade on H Maguire (£45m) at CB, D Rice at CDM (£100m), M Mount (£45m) as an upgrade on C Ericsen and R Hojlund as our temporary 9 to support Marcus (£40m) and Neymar on a 2 year loan deal. This lot will cost nearly £290m or probably £200m net after we sell players.
I think A Rabiot and M Thurham on frees are also in the mix dependent on ETH view of squad depth.
It seems the big money for a striker looks too be moved towards a M Caciedo or D Rice and M Mount to upgrade the Midfield. We want osimhen or Kane but both cost a fortune. We could easily negotiate R Hojlund at €45m plus €15m add on clauses which the club and he might achieve but this is how the deal will go and make sense.
Its clear for once, the club has a strategy driven by ETH and supported by JM.
Diego Costa(£60m) in goal as our new number 1, KMJ as an upgrade on H Maguire (£45m) at CB, D Rice at CDM (£100m), M Mount (£45m) as an upgrade on C Ericsen and R Hojlund as our temporary 9 to support Marcus (£40m) and Neymar on a 2 year loan deal. This lot will cost nearly £290m or probably £200m net after we sell players.
I think A Rabiot and M Thurham on frees are also in the mix dependent on ETH view of squad depth.
But young forwards with noticeable potential are all expensive these days anyway. For example Ramos is valued 100m, Vlahovic is valued at 80m. We also have Nunez last season costing Liverpool 80m+. Muani is also valued at 85-100m.
€50 million is incredible value for this guy IMO
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