Rasmus Hojlund - Linked to Inter on loan

I have no problem in him staying, obviously we need a better striker but we also need much better attacking play and service than what Hojlund had. A Cavani or Ibra type of signing would serve Hojlund and the club nicely.
 
dinostar77 said:
Disagree. We get in Gyokeres or similar and Hojlund stays then that shouldnt be an issue. It will take the pressure that should never been on him in the first place, to lead the attack. Also he needs a experienced striker to learn from. He's still very young for a striker.
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Yeah hugely disagree. At his age he should be playing somewhere else learning his trade there. If we have gyo barring injury he's getting 90 percent of the games. Sub spot prob goes to zirkzee, then chido can be learning as the true youngster. Hojlund with like 10 appearances doesn't do shit for anyone
 
Looking at some of the posts here. Oh my, are you guys this fcking dumb? Is this like your first transfer window? Yeah, no sh!t, every manager and player will say the same stuff and not something like "I'm looking for other clubs" and yadi yada while they are in contract and esp. in interviews. Only in very rare occasions and situations, you'd see managers or players actually say they are planning on leaving and looking for other clubs in an interview while they're in contract.
 
Rolaholic said:
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This would be the best outcome. What's his current book value? If a player signs a 5YR deal with a 1YR option, do we amortise over 5YRs or 6YRs?

Assume worst case 5YRs, his book value is about £42m...so a loan and a buy in the next summer window, by which point his book value would be £27m, would allow us to do this in a PSR-friendly way
 
Lentwood said:
This would be the best outcome. What's his current book value? If a player signs a 5YR deal with a 1YR option, do we amortise over 5YRs or 6YRs?

Assume worst case 5YRs, his book value is about £42m...so a loan and a buy in the next summer window, by which point his book value would be £27m, would allow us to do this in a PSR-friendly way
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One would think it would also be 100% of his wages. A loan fee upfront would be nice too, plus an obligation with a penalty if not taken.

Or even just an option. I feel he would do well with Inter for a year in a two man forward line. That is Inter continue with their same system now Inzaghi has left.
 
Sarni said:
They're obviously not going to agree to that. Maybe half that fee and an option instead of obligation.

He's not worth more than £20m.
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He actually is worth substantially more than 20M. Just because it is not working out here does not change the fact that he is only 22 and until this most recent season was seen as one of the most promising young strikers in world football, at a time when there is a dearth of strikers available. We won't get back the full price we paid at this point but his value will not have fallen that far in just one season either. There will be plenty of teams and coaches who will believe that last season was an anomaly and they can get him back on track, it is not exactly unusual for players to flourish when they leave United and regardless of the reasons there will be an assumption that it is the club and not the player that failed last season.
 
Gandalf said:
He actually is worth substantially more than 20M. Just because it is not working out here does not change the fact that he is only 22 and until this most recent season was seen as one of the most promising young strikers in world football, at a time when there is a dearth of strikers available. We won't get back the full price we paid at this point but his value will not have fallen that far in just one season either. There will be plenty of teams and coaches who will believe that last season was an anomaly and they can get him back on track, it is not exactly unusual for players to flourish when they leave United and regardless of the reasons there will be an assumption that it is the club and not the player that failed last season.
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He has done next to nothing in football that would make him worth more than £20m. We were foolish enough to pay £72m on the back of a few cameo appearances at Atalanta, no one else will be that dumb.

He's basically had a run of 10 decent games at United + a few decent cameos at Atalanta, plus that one game against Finland. He's lacking fundamentals to become a top striker.
 
Sarni said:
He has done next to nothing in football that would make him worth more than £20m. We were foolish enough to pay £72m on the back of a few cameo appearances at Atalanta, no one else will be that dumb.

He's basically had a run of 10 decent games at United + a few decent cameos at Atalanta, plus that one game against Finland. He's lacking fundamentals to become a top striker.
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He was very highly rated coming off that season in Atalanta, he was 19 when he went there and managed 10 goals in limited appearances as a backup which was enough to have multiple clubs chasing him including us and PSG. At 20 years old he joined United and scored 16 goals in a team that was not functioning well and was tagged as one of the untouchable stars of our future and was still spoken of as one of the brightest talents around. 12 months later he is coming off a terrible season but even then he still has managed 10 goals and there are mitigating circumstances if you want to look for them, pre season missed through injury, change of coaches 3 months into the season etc. I am not arguing that his stock has fallen as a result of the last year but the fees young players move for, he is worth more than 20M and frankly if he isn't then he might as well stay and see out the next 3 years of his contract because that does nothing for us.
 
I’d be happy enough with an option to buy as long as it gets rid of him. If he gets his confidence back and enjoys himself in a strong team in an easier league and puts some numbers up we shouldn’t have trouble shifting him.
 
Sarni said:
They're obviously not going to agree to that. Maybe half that fee and an option instead of obligation.

He's not worth more than £20m.
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People would’ve said the same about Antony until his Betis spell. Things can change quickly with a good loan.
 
bosskeano said:
the only way you send him on loan is with an obligation to buy and no return penalty like hte deal we did with chelsea

obligation to buy at 40m
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If the alternative is keeping him, why would that be the “only” way we should handle this?
 
Pexbo said:
If the alternative is keeping him, why would that be the “only” way we should handle this
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well if you plan on keeping him then you don't loan him out but if Amorim doesn't seem him as a future player then loan him out if you can't sell him outright and make it an obligation to purchase
 
bosskeano said:
well if you plan on keeping him then you don't loan him out but if Amorim doesn't seem him as a future player then loan him out if you can't sell him outright and make it an obligation to purchase
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A loan with an obligation is still a transfer - it’s just moving the purchase by 12 months.

Another purpose of a loan is for him to show everyone that he’s a better player than what we have seen in the past 12 months, and this make a permanent transfer for more likely the following summer, or for him to come back and be in a better set up.

Look at Antony as an example. Realistically what obligation would we have got from Betis in January? £10m? Given the loan he’s had, we are now likely to be able to sell him for a lot more.

Forget Sancho. An obligation to buy is a transfer, but generally done for financial planning reasons.
 
Just a loan deal thanks - no obligation and certainly no option to buy. He won’t be rated lower than he is now and I think he will score goals in a weaker league. Keep our options open and retain control.
 
I will never trust any deal United make with an "obligation to buy" after the Sancho debacle.
 
Worth mentioning Hojlund did an interview in Denmark at the weekend and he said he's going nowhere.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Worth mentioning Hojlund did an interview in Denmark at the weekend and he said he's going nowhere.
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Well, I think he said he still sees himself being at Old Trafford at the end of the Summer. I wouldn't read to much into that. Not much else he could say with nothing sorted yet.
 
daba said:
Yeah this is a massive point that I feel people are disregarding. We complain that players like Lindelof massively outstayed their welcome in this team, yet we’re afraid to be ruthless when we need to be.

Also… I’m no PSR expert, but if, and it’s a big if, we can offload both Garnacho and Rashford this summer for let’s say £70m combined, then aren’t we in a pretty sweet position PSR-wise?
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Yes we would be, however Rashford seems like such a difficult deal due to his mental wages at Utd. I wouldn't be against keeping Hojlund IF it didn't affect signing Gyokeres, GK and CM but certain it will.
 
daba said:
Yeah this is a massive point that I feel people are disregarding. We complain that players like Lindelof massively outstayed their welcome in this team, yet we’re afraid to be ruthless when we need to be.

Also… I’m no PSR expert, but if, and it’s a big if, we can offload both Garnacho and Rashford this summer for let’s say £70m combined, then aren’t we in a pretty sweet position PSR-wise?
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We would need a pretty hefty fee on Hojlund, otherwise it would hamper our PSR position, rather than help us.

Edit: apologies if you were referring to other players, and not Hojlund.
 
Doracle said:
Just a loan deal thanks - no obligation and certainly no option to buy. He won’t be rated lower than he is now and I think he will score goals in a weaker league. Keep our options open and retain control.
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If you can get 45, one way or another, I think you've gotta take it. You say he won't be rated lower, and that's likely to be true, but he could do an ACL or something like that.
 


He might not have much choice but Athletic saying Hojlund wants to stay and prove himself. It's not a surprising outcome given that he's a boyhood fan of the club
 
L1nk said:


He might not have much choice but Athletic saying Hojlund wants to stay and prove himself. It's not a surprising outcome given that he's a boyhood fan of the club
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He can feck off.
 
Doubt he'll get many minutes when we only have 1 game a week. Seems daft for him to want to stay. I can see this ending up being a loan with an option to buy. Maybe he tears it up in Italy and can hang onto the slim hope that United consider keeping him in 12 months.
 
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