Why would he come here to not be the main guy? Maybe if we had European football, we could share minutes the two of them. If that were the case, I believe he’d stay another year in Leipzig though.
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Why would he come here to not be the main guy? Maybe if we had European football, we could share minutes the two of them. If that were the case, I believe he’d stay another year in Leipzig though.
If Šeško comes in, then surely Hojlund leaves. Zirkzee has a bit more in his locker as he can play as a No.10 as well.
Keeping Holjund, loaning Obi and selling Zirkzee makes most sense to me. Zirkzee feels like easier sale (potential for profit) and doesn't quite fit the squad as we dont need another number 10. Sesko with Holjund as backup and cunha/mbeumo as emergency cover would be enough for this season.
Couldn't agree with you more, you can love his attitude and still rather not see him playing for us again
He deserves a shot to properly develop somewhere without as much pressure or expectations
I think you're right... Zirkzee has gone under the radar with Hojlund's horrendous performance last season, but I don't see where he fits in this team and while he has silky skills he's just far too slow + his finishing is a bit suspect.
Also agreed on Obi being Striker #2, a nonsense prospect at this point in his career. That situation would be no good for us, and especially no good for him.
I agree, but I doubt Zirkzee wants to go yet. I could see him leaving in Jan having not played much in the first half of the season.
Zirkzee should be back up striker to whoever it is that we bring in. Obi probably deserves the chance to be third choice and get the smaller minutes available, with a possible loan to gain more experience in January. If Holjund is ok being 4th choice and trying to work his way up that list, then that’s fine but ideally he should be out on loan rebuilding his confidence at a lower level.
I am not sure Amorim sees Zirkzee as a striker, the player himself says he is not a CF which is kind of what we need to make the system click. We will sell one or other if Sesko comes in so I guess it will come down to whomever Ruben prefers and also their respective markets. Zirkzee is by far the easier sale if we want a full sale due to the lower fee paid and his still high reputation in Serie A, Hojlund is more likely to be a loan at this point if he leaves.
Technically, it is Højlunds goal, but I would give it to Amad everyday of the week.
Getting rid of Rasmus would to me be a mistake. He to me is the one best suited to how the system is supposed to be played. Hopefully he’d find his confidence and with better players around him get moving in the right direction again.
Sesko looks to have serious talent but is very raw and maybe doesn’t fit the system as much as Rasmus, however I do seem to recall Ratcliffe saying something about holding on to players too long has been an issue. So maybe that’s it and they’ve decided they don’t want to take the risk that Rasmus might become something. Better to sell him off with a buy back clause or large sell-on percentage.
Do feel if you put him in the basketball style of the Bundesliga he’d thrive and probably easy get around 15 or more. Zirkzee possibly as well could do the same.
Actually thinking about it he’d be a good pick up for Bayern Munich. 2nd fiddle to Kane for a season or 2 before taking over. Probably what should have happened at United.
Sesko looks to have serious talent but is very raw and maybe doesn’t fit the system as much as Rasmus, however I do seem to recall Ratcliffe saying something about holding on to players too long has been an issue. So maybe that’s it and they’ve decided they don’t want to take the risk that Rasmus might become something. Better to sell him off with a buy back clause or large sell-on percentage.
Do feel if you put him in the basketball style of the Bundesliga he’d thrive and probably easy get around 15 or more. Zirkzee possibly as well could do the same.
Actually thinking about it he’d be a good pick up for Bayern Munich. 2nd fiddle to Kane for a season or 2 before taking over. Probably what should have happened at United.
This is what I've been saying since he first arrived.
He had very little experience and for him to lead the line at MUFC was utterly ludicrous. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be removed from the club.
He is a young players and even now, he should be loaned out where he can learn his craft.
I originally suggested that he go to the Championship on loan, until he shows that is good enough. If he fails to do so, he should be sold off.
In any case, he should not be playing in a MUFC team anytime soon.
The odds of Hojlund becoming good enough to lead the line at Bayern is near 0%
I'm not quite sure what you have seen in him which makes you believe that he'd be good enough. At MUFC, even against relegation fodder, Hojlund struggles to score a goal.
My take: Højlund with confidence and Dorgu/Cunha left and Amad/Mbeumo right in front of Bruno in 'midfield is going to score significantly more goals than in his first season. He is having a good pre season, his first at United and gaining in confidence. We have a lot more presence in the box this year. Cunha/Amad/Dorgu/Mbeumo and Bruno will get in there, maqking it much harder to defend us and creatring space for Rasmus . I am optimistic no matter if it is going to be Højlund or Sesko.
Absolutely nothing indicates he will become better. He is just not good enough and best to get him replaced
I do think that it makes more sense keeping him if we get Sesko and loaning out Obi to a lower league team.
With Sesko and Zirkzee, Obi will get next to no game time this year with the first team.
Hojlund at least may thrive having less pressure on him.
With Sesko and Zirkzee, Obi will get next to no game time this year with the first team.
Hojlund at least may thrive having less pressure on him.
Disagree. I make arguments. Bring something to the table if you want to discuss.... and yes. He just had a shitty second season in the worst United team in history. He seems to find his form again at the moment.
Looks like RBL might be taking him
He had two poor seasons. Last season was the worst you can imagine. It is still pre season but better service will not improve his first touch, shit movement, zero header threat, poor shooting, lack of awareness or hold up play
He scored a header last game - so not quite 'zero header threat'
I would say, Hojlund has scored some goals from the bench.
Secondly Hojlund has that one important ability that Zirkzee seems to lack…availability.
So it’s not a clear case who would actually be the best second CF if Sesko was to arrive.
Secondly Hojlund has that one important ability that Zirkzee seems to lack…availability.
So it’s not a clear case who would actually be the best second CF if Sesko was to arrive.
Yeah, complete game changer and he will be amazing next season
Should be keeping both even if Šeško comes in.
Seriously. Im with you for the last season, escobar. The first season was quite good for a 20 year old coming in to lead the attack for a dysfunctional United with no service in a new league. It is actually pretty much comparable to the season Sesko has just had for Leipzig in the Bundesliga. Offcourse he will score more with better service. His link up play will be easier while the other players are further up the pitch. He won´t have to play 20 meter passes with a defender on his back all the time. It will be 10 meter instead.His shooting and finishing numbers are quite good.
For a club not in Europe that seems a bit overkill to have Sesko, Hojlund, Zirkzee.
But I know a lot of fans see Zirkzee as a no.10 more than a CF. But with 2 new no.10 arriving this summer again than would still be overkill imo.
Not when you consider some of our players’ injury records.
We screwed Hojlund’s development by bringing him in and putting the goalscoring weight on his shoulders. He needed an experienced player ahead of him to understudy; he’d had 1 season at Atalanta.
But… what’s done is done. I’ve generally been supportive, I do think there’s a player in there, but last season was so bad. Inexcusably, horrendously bad. So bad I’m not sure you can come back from it. At absolute minimum, he needs a loan elsewhere to find some form and confidence out of the glare of United.
I wish the kid all the best, he’s not been sh*t for a lack of trying, but last season was genuinely embarrassing at times.
But… what’s done is done. I’ve generally been supportive, I do think there’s a player in there, but last season was so bad. Inexcusably, horrendously bad. So bad I’m not sure you can come back from it. At absolute minimum, he needs a loan elsewhere to find some form and confidence out of the glare of United.
I wish the kid all the best, he’s not been sh*t for a lack of trying, but last season was genuinely embarrassing at times.
I’m pretty sure the post you’re replying to was a wind up. It’s was utter nonsense.
When we get hit with the injuries again, you wont see it as an overkill. But I would get Hojlund out whether on loan or sales. He is a bang average player at best.
He had 40 games to fight for his spot last season and proved beyond all reasonable doubt that he wasn't up to it.
he wasn't up for starting, think nobody would challenge that. I think if we stick Chido up front last season instead of Hojlund, it would be somewhat the same. He still young, low wages, no issues and willing to fight for his spot, so why the rush to sell him when his stock is at the lowest?
His stock could be lower, the club who own our apparent no.1 strike target apparently want him.
That would be a vastly better situation for him to develop rather than being a squad option for us
That would be a vastly better situation for him to develop rather than being a squad option for us
He seems an interesting one; very much split the caf into either 'must go, completely below standard ' or 'whole team was so dysfunctional was impossible to make a true assessment'.
I think it's noteworthy he's not been included in the bomb squad but is that Ruben or INEOS making the call? And is it a shop window tactic?
Personally I think we'll see him with us until the new year and then a loan will be worked out if he hasn't consolidated his performances at a higher level and it would probably do his career more good; to his credit he seems quite selfless in that regard, recognises he's getting paid well and cost a lot and wants to fight and be seen to be fighting.
We all love the underdog story so I for one hope he finds his groove, after all it's not about where you're from, it's about where you're at.
I think it's noteworthy he's not been included in the bomb squad but is that Ruben or INEOS making the call? And is it a shop window tactic?
Personally I think we'll see him with us until the new year and then a loan will be worked out if he hasn't consolidated his performances at a higher level and it would probably do his career more good; to his credit he seems quite selfless in that regard, recognises he's getting paid well and cost a lot and wants to fight and be seen to be fighting.
We all love the underdog story so I for one hope he finds his groove, after all it's not about where you're from, it's about where you're at.
If Sesko comes in and plays as our first choice striker, we still need options off the bench. Chido could benefit from some minutes, possibly at a lower level to develop him game more, so I could see the sense in loaning him out. At the same time, maybe Amorim wants to keep him around the squad to aid in his development.
Where we are at the moment, Sesko would be first choice, with Hojlund and Zirkzee duking it out to see who can make an impact from the bench. Or, they're all competing for that spot if Sesko runs into bad form or picks up an injury.
This being said, I'm very open to all options. Last season, neither Hojlund nor Zirkzee did enough to cement their position as starting striker and neither scored anywhere near enough. Both have flaws. Zirkzee's lack of pace is an issue for me, as is his very suspect shooting. On paper, Rasmus should be doing a lot better than he is, but the game is played on grass.
My preference would be to loan Chido, start Sesko, and allow Rasmus and Zirkzee to provide options off the bench. However, I feel that if we are able to make money off either Rasmus or Zirkzee, we will probably do it. I don't feel strongly enough to consider this a good or bad move personally.
Where we are at the moment, Sesko would be first choice, with Hojlund and Zirkzee duking it out to see who can make an impact from the bench. Or, they're all competing for that spot if Sesko runs into bad form or picks up an injury.
This being said, I'm very open to all options. Last season, neither Hojlund nor Zirkzee did enough to cement their position as starting striker and neither scored anywhere near enough. Both have flaws. Zirkzee's lack of pace is an issue for me, as is his very suspect shooting. On paper, Rasmus should be doing a lot better than he is, but the game is played on grass.
My preference would be to loan Chido, start Sesko, and allow Rasmus and Zirkzee to provide options off the bench. However, I feel that if we are able to make money off either Rasmus or Zirkzee, we will probably do it. I don't feel strongly enough to consider this a good or bad move personally.
The fact that he wantas to fight for his place suggests he thinks he can do a lot better and last season was a clusterfeck. So thats commendable. Both him and Zirkzee havent done enough so far. So i prefer we go with a different CF but if he stays and keeps working hard then so be it. Return to your first season form and we can see from there
Unless you are a Haaland level goal-scorer, starting strikers at top teams need a far better all-round game than anything Hojlund has shown for us so far.
I think he will stay and be our starting forward. If he is confident and we're playing well I wouldn't be surprised if he got around 10-12 goals like his first season however his all round game is that poor he will cost us league places.
The knock on impact will be felt and will hinder both cunha and Mbeumo. If your game is as poor as his you need to be putting up haaland numbers of a goal a game, 1 in 3 with his all play is a bottom half player at best but you will have fans saying that is enough and deserves yet another season
The knock on impact will be felt and will hinder both cunha and Mbeumo. If your game is as poor as his you need to be putting up haaland numbers of a goal a game, 1 in 3 with his all play is a bottom half player at best but you will have fans saying that is enough and deserves yet another season
He certainly needs to improve as you say his all round game but then again I’ve seen him do and try things that gives me the belief that now with better team mates and a structure around him he can do just that. Having to try and hold a ball with no one around you will be very different from having people 10 yards away from you that are willing to challenge for 2nd balls.
Main point about Bayern was he’d have 2 years behind Kane to develop and the fact it’s like a basketball game in the Bundesliga and the amount of time and space he’d be likely to get he’d do well.
The overwhelming positivity from Romano towards Man Utd almost felt over the top and fake.
RBL are really good in identifying talents, especially strikers. If they want him maybe he is not that bad as many of us say. If they take him they will probably sell him with a lot of profits in a couple of years.
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