Looks like the club have briefed everyone that he is available for £30m. Its the main news on bbc sport just now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4gzx7ndy9zo
It's not a PSR hit. If he stays, we show a ~£13M amortization hit on our books + his wages.While it's a big PSR hit, £30M is still too much for him, I dont see which clubs can invest this kind of money on a reclamation project like Højlund with dubious resale value. And there are way too many better options in that price range or cheaper. Also he doesnt seem like the kind of guy who'd go to Saudi Arabia at this point of his career.
Looks like he was right on this one.Terrible source.
Common sense, finally. Feck PSR, take whatever we can get for him and stop clinging on to rubbish as a club.
It would be in his best interests to find another club if united doesn't want him. He'll likely be fourth choice behind Zirkzee and Obi if he stays because he's not in long-term plans. The coach is clearly done with him as well despite what might be said publicly to the contrary.He's going nowhere. Has basically said as much.
We can't make him, but if we make it obvious to him that we'd like to sell him and he won't get many chances due to being down the pecking order, there's a fair chance that he'll accept it's time to leave.Doesn't matter what the brief is. If he wants to stay and fight the club can't really make him leave. He deserves another season and a fresh start like everyone else. We currently look good. Competition is good. I bet if we keep Rasmus he'll keep up with Sesko and they'll both improve a lot and not have to carry the whole burden alone
"We"? The manager is the only person who can and will decide whether Hojlund plays or not, not the bean counters. The fact that the club is ready and willing to sell anybody in the current squad is hardly news. Have people already forgotten that a bid was accepted for Bruno Fernandes this summer? He'd be gone if he hadn't turned down the move. If he's not untouchable, Hojlund certainly isn't. The manager was also firmly against that move and worked to convince Fernandes to stay. It doesn't matter a jot what Sir Rat and the higher-ups want if the player and manager say no, and if Amorim was completely done with Hojlund then he'd be training with the other rejects who've been told to find a new club.We can't make him, but if we make it obvious to him that we'd like to sell him and he won't get many chances due to being down the pecking order, there's a fair chance that he'll accept it's time to leave.
Why does he 'deserve' another season? Just how long should we give underperforming players?
The fact we bought him for £70m is irrelevant. Obviously he's not worth anything close to it, not then, not now, not ever.I really doubt it even it's from Simon Stone. Is our club really that stupid to brief journalist on the price we want to sell? Whatever happened to negotiation tactic? We briefed the journalist we want to sell so cheap at 30m for our young striker which we bought for 70m 2 years ago?
Hmm.... Many things seem not right here
Sheesh Twitter is such a cesspool of nothing-burgers and nonsense. It's not a "PSR hit" at all.
It's not a PSR hit. If he stays, we show a ~£13M amortization hit on our books + his wages.
If we sell, he's got about ~£40M in remaining amortization. If we can sell for £30M, that means it'd be a ~£10M PSR loss. But that (obviously) is less than the £13M amortization + wages we'll incur if we keep him.
Do people just not even bother to understand the PSR rules at all?
Firstly, 'we' obviously means the manager and the footballing hierarchy that he works with directly like Wilcox (so hardly just 'bean counters'). Neither side by themselves will be forcing Hojlund out, but if him being sold (either directly to Leipzig or elsewhere) ends up being the difference between us being able to bring in other players that we prefer then there is every chance that both Amorim and Wilcox will try to pressure him to leave. I don't know if that will be the case, hence the 'if' in my previous post. We won't banish him in the same way as we did ones we're desperate to sell, but we can certainly make it obvious that we'd like him to accept and his opportunities will be limited."We"? The manager is the only person who can and will decide whether Hojlund plays or not, not the bean counters. The fact that the club is ready and willing to sell anybody in the current squad is hardly news. Have people already forgotten that a bid was accepted for Bruno Fernandes this summer? He'd be gone if he hadn't turned down the move. If he's not untouchable, Hojlund certainly isn't. The manager was also firmly against that move and worked to convince Fernandes to stay. It doesn't matter a jot what Sir Rat and the higher-ups want if the player and manager say no, and if Amorim was completely done with Hojlund then he'd be training with the other rejects who've been told to find a new club.
Yeah. What would happen in the future if he stayed is irrelevant if you sell him and take a loss. It's still a hit at that time.So a PSR hit? You're basically arguing over a few million. It's still a loss.
Yeah. What would happen in the future if he stayed is irrelevant if you sell him and take a loss. It's still a hit at that time.
Is that actually how it works? My understanding was that PSR calculations were done based on the remaining book value of that player at the time of their sale. So even if we technically spent more money keeping him here over the course of next season, selling him for £30m next season would be recorded as PSR profit, but selling for the same price this year would be recorded as a loss.No. "At that time" isn't a thing, PSR calculations are done based on the accounts at the 30th of June each year. If Højlund stays this season, he will "cost" around 13m + wages for the year. If he is sold for 30m during this window, that will "cost" around 8m. So, selling for 30m improves the accounts PSR wise with 5m + a year worth of wages.
It's still quite stupid for a club to brief journalist on asking price of 30m. I really doubt it.The fact we bought him for £70m is irrelevant. Obviously he's not worth anything close to it, not then, not now, not ever.
Why can't people just accept he was a massive mistake, he's nowhere near good enough, and the club want to move on and get rid.
If Jason Wilcox has the power to sell a player that the manager wants to keep without his permission then the club's "footballing hierarchy" is completely broken. Fortunately, there's no evidence that's the case. Nor is there any evidence that Amorim wants Hojlund gone or that he plans to freeze him out, so the conversation is over at that point. You and others on here can fantasise all you like about him leaving, but it won't happen unless the manager wants it to. So until he says otherwise (and stops starting him in every single game), ol' Rasmus remains a key part of the squad. Sorry if that ruins your day.Firstly, 'we' obviously means the manager and the footballing hierarchy that he works with directly like Wilcox (so hardly just 'bean counters'). Neither side by themselves will be forcing Hojlund out, but if him being sold (either directly to Leipzig or elsewhere) ends up being the difference between us being able to bring in other players that we prefer then there is every chance that both Amorim and Wilcox will try to pressure him to leave. I don't know if that will be the case, hence the 'if' in my previous post. We won't banish him in the same way as we did ones we're desperate to sell, but we can certainly make it obvious that we'd like him to accept and his opportunities will be limited.
Secondly, we never accepted a bid for Bruno. If he had decided he wanted to go I presume we would have accepted it, but we basically left it on the table while he decided. The manager certainly had his say, and the rumours were that the rest of the decision-makers were leaning towards not wanting to accept it either but it was enough that we'd accept the players wishes.
That was my understanding too, and what I believe Stone in his piece is referring to.Is that actually how it works? My understanding was that PSR calculations were done based on the remaining book value of that player at the time of their sale. So even if we technically spent more money keeping him here over the course of next season, selling him for £30m next season would be recorded as PSR profit, but selling for the same price this year would be recorded as a loss.
Isn't the cost you're referring to more in relation to cash flow?
I think so too. Maybe some parallels to Ekitike could be drawn, moved to PSG to soon and failed by all accounts. Needed a move to another league and a different setting and was able to develop and shineAs much as he wants to stay and prove himself, I fell it would be good for him to move as well. He is not good enough now, and better to go to a less pressure environment and hopefully improve under less spotlight.
We're the transfer Robin Hoods. Buying for high and redistributing players for their true valueSo he's available for what we should have paid for him.
Tells me we can take the PSR hit but need cash in hand for the upfront fee on Sesko
I think people are tired of feeling like every single thing we do is wrong and are hoping that something will actually work out for a change, hence the optimism.The fact we bought him for £70m is irrelevant. Obviously he's not worth anything close to it, not then, not now, not ever.
Why can't people just accept he was a massive mistake, he's nowhere near good enough, and the club want to move on and get rid.
Not true.As for Fernandes, you're arguing semantics. He was told he could leave by the club. The offer very clearly met the club's valuation.
I bet someone will in this striker market.Nobody is gonna pay £30m for him
Sure he can stay, but BBC saying the club wants to cash on him means the manager is done with him. It's for his benefit if he goes and plays somewhere else.He's going nowhere. Has basically said as much.
Doesn't matter what the brief is. If he wants to stay and fight the club can't really make him leave. He deserves another season and a fresh start like everyone else. We currently look good. Competition is good. I bet if we keep Rasmus he'll keep up with Sesko and they'll both improve a lot and not have to carry the whole burden alone
Hojlund is just not good enough. A couple of decent halves in some friendlies shouldn't alter your perception of that.This is atrocious management of a club. How can anybody think it’s a good idea to throw him on scrap heap and invite lowball bids. Since when has tossing quarter of a billion worth of players onto a bonfire been good for the club? One step too far with this one. He’s clear got a chance of finding form, wants to fight for place, has no reliable cover and has good raw ingredients. Starting to really dislike Amorim and Wilcox.
