He is not. Looks better and more confident.
Rasmus Hojlund | Napoli
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Don’t forget Rashford and Antony
For me, he just highlights the absolute stupidity of everyone at this football club. Our scouts had clearly highlighted him as a player for the future, and whilst it was a stupid idea to have him as the main number 9 at a mega club at such a young age, he actually had a pretty decent and promising first season with us.
But then the stupidity comes in, after returning from injury he had started just three Premier League games, (scoring one) before EtH was sacked. At this point we brought in an absolutely dog shit Manager, one of the worst in Premier League history; and our entire team has looked like utter shit since.
As usual though, the majority of our fans turn on the players, making it completely toxic them, all the while singing our dog shit manager’s name every week.
Then after said awful Manager completes his first season, we decide to completely give up on some players, and give a failing manager a war chest, including bringing a new young promising number 9, and losing a feck tonne of money in the process.
This club is braindead from board to fans.
But then the stupidity comes in, after returning from injury he had started just three Premier League games, (scoring one) before EtH was sacked. At this point we brought in an absolutely dog shit Manager, one of the worst in Premier League history; and our entire team has looked like utter shit since.
As usual though, the majority of our fans turn on the players, making it completely toxic them, all the while singing our dog shit manager’s name every week.
Then after said awful Manager completes his first season, we decide to completely give up on some players, and give a failing manager a war chest, including bringing a new young promising number 9, and losing a feck tonne of money in the process.
This club is braindead from board to fans.
Fixed it for you. It’s baffling how some fans don’t want to realize that the club is the problem when former players like Hojlund, McT, Rashford, Antony etc. start to thrive the moment they leave.
And no, I’m not saying they are all good enough to play here, just that we can’t know how good they actually are by watching our games.
Came on here to say we need decent midfielders that provide service. Bruno is part of the problem as he’s deemed the only provider. The problem is his passing is so erratic he loses the ball too often.
Just completely whitewashed his second season there guys.
I just don't get why United fans do this to themselves.
I’m whitewashing everyone season from when this absolute fraud came in. We can’t pretend this guy doesn’t have one of the shittiest records in Premier League history.
Højlund was absolutely fine under ETH and looks absolutely fine again under Conte, the only manager he’s looked completely shite with is the utterly shite manager who’s currently managing us.
Tbf, chances don't need to be created solely by our midfield. We've had the lad playing with the same Rashford, who's on 5 assists in Barcelona, same Antony, who's killing it in Betis, same Sancho, who tracked back for Villa last time I caught a glimpse. Same Garnacho who...ah nevermind.
Spot on.
PS. The same fans who would rather celebrate a higher xG than 3 points.
And he was fine playing with these two, but once this utterly awful manager came in, Rashford quickly become public enemy number one and Antony was fecked right off.
Oh, and of course we started playing the shittest formation and tactics I’ve seen in the Prem, which “may” have been an issue too like.
Yup.
There’s one very fecking obvious problem at the club, with a record worse the Christian Gross, start with that.
Nothing new here. He’s not the first striker who can score elsewhere but can’t handle the pressure and expectation at United. It’s not Manchester United’s fault, it’s not necessarily the players fault, the shirt just weighs heavy and there’s been countless strikers before him who have failed too. Three from the 80’s - Birtles, Davenport and Brazil - were prolific top flight strikers who got bogged down here. It took an emerging Mark Hughes and then Cole and Yorke to buck that trend before the likes of RVN and RVP.
The goal where he ran through is exactly how you use him, with his pace and power, having him facing his own goal asking to hold up play isn't his game it's running in space
Hojlund's bigger problem was that he was playing in front of Garnacho and Rashford who only want to dribble and shoot, and Bruno who is always looking for a Hollywood ball. The runs he made were always ignored to the point where in his second season he appeared to stop making them.
Im happy for him. No striker bar Messsi or Ronaldo can magic goals from thin air. While he wasn't perfect and he's still a work in progress I belive him not scoring enough was more down to lack of service than him missing chances. I remeber that most of his goals last season was acctually accidental - he lived of scraps but was able to convert a loose ball into a decent shot or a goal.
in 12 months we will have the same discussion about Sesko.
in 12 months we will have the same discussion about Sesko.
Is it that him giving up or it’s the confusion by the instruction by Amorim. I feel like even now with Sesko, Amorim wants the CF to wrestle and occupy the opposition CB first, than making this type of run. The runner often are the two no 10s. We saw with the sequence leading to Sanchez sent off, or the second goal against Burnley, Sesko and Zirkzee were there to flick on, instead of making the run themselves.
We will be sorry when Napoli eventually buys him out in the summer.
And Šeško is going the same way with the fraud we have as a manager.
And Šeško is going the same way with the fraud we have as a manager.
We starved him of service just like we are doing to Sesko now, and some posters have already turned on him too.
Both Ten Hag and Amorim have been shit at utilizing our strikers.
It's good to see him do better, but there is absolutely no way we shouldn't have gotten rid of him in the summer. The level he showed us in his second season was far beyond just a lack of service or a system not suiting his style. He was dreadful and directly detrimental to us scoring goals and getting results.
With Hojlund, it had little to do with the team. He's just not good enough. He's joined Napoli and it's still the same. He still can't get shots away.
Delighted he's scoring. Likeable guy.
So how come we didnt sign Haaland and Grealish if Ole held the key to the transfer??
In 2023/2024 he had 10 goals in 25 PL starts, and 5 goals in 6 CL starts.
In season 2 he had 3 starts after injury for ETH, scoring 1 in 3.
Absolutely fine stats for a young lad in a new league.
Fixed that for you.
Sesko will be fine once this manager receives his marching orders.
Such a daft point. Højlund has issues, but this idea that the lack of service for him was all his fault, and lack of service for Sesko, is all down to the team is the definition of double standards.
Those stats do not make him "absolutely fine" under ETH. There were major, major issues with Højlund before ETH was sacked, in spite of some goal stats that look just ok, when you preface them with "young player in a new league".
Not to labour the point and go over individual cases again but the vast majority have dropped to a lower standard of football, some much lower. Some have done ok to well at that lower level and some have still struggled. Some have completely tanked their careers.
It's a myth that we're holding players back and the strangest part is its a myth generated by United fans.
And here we are seeing it again with Hojlund because he's scored a couple against Sporting.
Bit of a timing issue there. Eth was sacked because were we already dog doodoo.
Just highlights again the yawning chasm between what United fans consider a world class creative number 10 and an actual one. De Bruyne? Even in his twilight years is miles ahead of Bruno in creating actual opportunities, not just progressive xgs.
Yeah his first season had that 7 league game spell where he went on a goalscoring run. Outside of that it was pretty much identical to his second year. Long spells of not scoring.
I didn’t say that there’s anything wrong in pointing out their goalscoring record. Surmising how well they’re doing solely or largely by their goalscoring record is, however; a poor way of looking at football.
Mctominay, Antony, Rashford and seemingly Hojlund now have/are indeed showing better form away from United, and that’s OK. It happens sometimes
He is better than he showed since Amorim arrived. It goes back to what some of us have been saying that a good coach sets up his team to bring the best out of his players.Instead Amorim sets his team up to highlight the weakness of his players.
As if that is not enough, Amorim the politician has successfully convinced some of our fans that our players are shyt. Just like has successfully convinced some of them that we are not ready for Europe.
Amorim is already turning some of our fans against Sesko
As if that is not enough, Amorim the politician has successfully convinced some of our fans that our players are shyt. Just like has successfully convinced some of them that we are not ready for Europe.
Amorim is already turning some of our fans against Sesko
So I shouldn't surmise a forwards performances based on goals. That's a poor way of looking at it.
You've said Hojlund is seemingly showing better form.
What are you basing that on?
I was thinking more about his overall contribution. Being streaky in goalscoring is more acceptable if the hold-up play and general creativity is good. What Højlund delivered on that was so poor though. I remember people even complaining about Ronaldo not doing enough on that in the season he got +20 goals.
Is it not interesting how he managed to get 10 goals in his first season but as soon as the worst manager in Premier League history gets his hands on him Hojlund looks like our worst ever player.
One to think about
Don’t want Hoj back but wish him well in Italy.
One to think about
Don’t want Hoj back but wish him well in Italy.
I was no fan of Hojlund but at this point, we need to ask ourselves, has any player got better under Amorim. All I see is players regressing, even Mbeumo looked a shell of his normal self against his old team. Amorim's system allows limited fluidity in attack and relies on the wing backs to create the width and overloads, meaning they are the main source of crosses. Which 9 times out of 10 means no goal threat.
Sesko is getting more scoring chances at Man Utd than Hojlund has been getting at Napoli this season. Read that again. Are you saying Napoli aren’t giving him enough service too? You have to be able to separate the player from the team. Hojlund’s struggles at United were mainly due to his inability to get into scoring positions. Sesko is a different matter.
Bruno Fernandes led the chance-creation charts in the Premier League last season. Garnacho was squandering goalscoring chances almost every other game. Yet 128 players had more shots per 90 than Hojlund in the Premier League. Midfielders from teams that finished below us were posing more of a goalscoring threat than our centre forward. Southampton's backup striker was taking almost two more shots than him per 90. Read that again.
You can blame the team all you want, but the reality is that Hojlund is not a good striker. The team’s quality has only a secondary effect on his ability to score goals. The primary problem is that even the best creative players struggle to find him. He's not good enough simple.