Rasmus Hojlund | Napoli

So…an obligation to buy. Does that mean we’re obliged to sell? I assume at least Ras could choose not to join Napoli if we wanted him back?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
What stupidity is this?

Are we simply discounting them? I mean Rooney was typically extremely streaky throughout almost his entire career.

I thought the patch of form was a indicator of what time and patience in the right setup might do for the kid in the future.
I didn’t expect a 20 goal first PL season, 10 for a lad just turned 19 and with a couple of patches of good form WAS a decent start however you wanna spin it now.

He scored 5 CL goal in 6 games between Sept-Nov.
He scored 7 goals in 6 PL games between December-February.

That’s not a bad run for a proper young lad thrust in the deep end, streaky for sure, but 2 proper streaks and kinda expected for someone his age.
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Where did I say I was discounting them?

I just said he scored alot of those goals in short space of time, if he'd ever followed it up then fair enough, but he didn't, so it's easy to have doubts.

I'll admit I wasn't unhappy to see him leave, but he I can see he wasn't helped by not having a proper senior striker to take the pressure off, but on the flip side he did have a full two seasons as the main striker for us, and not many other strikers as limited at Hojlund seemingly is would have been given this much time, so it's also fair to say he either blew it or just wasn't good enough.
 
friendlytramp said:
So…an obligation to buy. Does that mean we’re obliged to sell? I assume at least Ras could choose not to join Napoli if we wanted him back?
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I think they have to buy if they finish the league in Champs League places
 
The price tag, his age, the average coaching... all played against him at United but I also don't think he was a special talent. My arsenal supporting mate was praising him in his first season whereas I didn't see it.
 
He is still our player.
Good manager can use Sesko and him.
 
friendlytramp said:
So…an obligation to buy. Does that mean we’re obliged to sell? I assume at least Ras could choose not to join Napoli if we wanted him back?
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I would assume he's already agreed the move and signed some form of a contract.
 
V.O. said:
I don't understand why people try to downplay his first season with this idea that his goals 'came too close together'. Of course a young striker in a new league is likely to be inconsistent and streaky, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he scored a decent amount of goals that year.

Would they have counted for more somehow if he'd have managed to score exactly one goal every three games for his 30 appearances?
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Well personally I would say that 6 goals in in 6 games, and then zero in the next 24, would be more concerning than scoring one in three, but neither are anything like good enough for a United first choice striker.

I am not downplaying anything, and whilst Hojlund would have been helped by a senior striker, he also had the unique opportunity of having a free run as the main United striker for two full seasons.

Much as I know we've struggled badly in those two seasons for various reasons, perhaps having Hojlund as our striker was contributing factor.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Well personally I would say that 6 goals in in 6 games, and then zero in the next 24, would be more concerning than scoring one in three, but neither are anything like good enough for a United first choice striker.
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Well after that streak he scored 3 in 10, so 1 in 3.3.

Once he started scoring in the Prem he went 10 in 16.

It appears him not getting off to a flyer in the league (although he did in CL), is what is preventing you from accepting it was a good first season. In fact, he was simply decent until Amorim arrived.
 
V.O. said:
I don't understand why people try to downplay his first season with this idea that his goals 'came too close together'. Of course a young striker in a new league is likely to be inconsistent and streaky, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he scored a decent amount of goals that year.

Would they have counted for more somehow if he'd have managed to score exactly one goal every three games for his 30 appearances?
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I think going the opening 14 league games without scoring, 7 game scoring spell, then back to barely scoring, should have prepped us for the next season not going great. When a strikers domestic season basically boils down to a mini run, the warning signs are there.

Anyone pretending his second season goal scoring drought was out of the blue or down to Amorim alone is talking nonsense.

His second season was always a possibility with his own shortcomings and the lack of service he got.

We've been rubbish as a club and as a fanbase(myself included) of looking past stats.

We're doing it again now with some of the players that have left. We're not looking at how they're actually playing across 90 mins. Are they genuinely playing well or just having short term moments.
 
friendlytramp said:
So…an obligation to buy. Does that mean we’re obliged to sell? I assume at least Ras could choose not to join Napoli if we wanted him back?
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That's an interesting question. With such loan clauses, where there isn't a Chelsea-clause, but just if x, then y (if Napoli qualify for the CL, they buy him), hasn't the player already agreed a future contract with the loaning club in case the clause is activated?

If not, and Amorim is sacked and the new manager wants him, to go prove himself at his boyhood club would be one hell of a redemption arc.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Well after that streak he scored 3 in 10, so 1 in 3.3.

Once he started scoring in the Prem he went 10 in 16.

It appears him not getting off to a flyer in the league (although he did in CL), is what is preventing you from accepting it was a good first season. In fact, he was simply decent until Amorim arrived.
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I was responding to a specific hypothetical question though.

I don't deny he's shown periods promise, but he has had his fair chance, and overall it's not been enough.
 
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friendlytramp said:
So…an obligation to buy. Does that mean we’re obliged to sell? I assume at least Ras could choose not to join Napoli if we wanted him back?
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Him tearing up Serie A doesn't mean he'd come back here and tear up the PL. I think Sesko has a higher ceiling anyway.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I don't deny he's shown periods promise, but he has had his fair chance, and overall it's not been enough.
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I think Amorim’s ultimate destiny will decide if that was the case or not, that and Rasmus future.
As it stands for me, Højlund was stupidly thrown in at the deep end aged 20, but showed some real promise, streaky sure, but real promise.
That was right up until our worst PL manager came in, had us playing relegation level football for a year and every single player bar maybe Cas, lost his form and his mind.
If Amorim massively improves & Höjlund never kicks on, fair enough. If Amorim is shown the door before xmas and Højlund continues to show improvement, I’d likely imagine we chose the fate of players based on an absolutely crap manager and a failing system that failed him and his players.
That’s where we’re at now for me.
 
Should never of let him go, was gutted when we did. He wanted to be here, wanted to prove himself, he also looked half decent on pre season tour.

We only have one striker in sesko, unless you class zirkzee as one.
 
Against Sporting he had 2 shots on target which he scored,. Lost the most duels among any player on the pitch - 11 out of 18.

Against Genoa he had his first and only shot on target in the 75th minute which resulted in a goal and lost 6 of his 10 duels. He only made one pass in the final third in the entire game.
 
People wanting him back are mad. 4 goals in 32 matches in the league last season... we were correct to sell him, bloody awful striker.

United flops always get massively overrated the second they go to a weaker league and start looking half decent again.
 
Happy for him that he's started scoring! Also incredibly happy with having Sesko at United rather than Hojlund. He wasn't right for us or good enough, and I still think that's the case. Glad that he's actually better than the pub level footballer he was here though. Sesko is far more complete of a player and has far more to his game so will just do better IMO.
 
Anyone watching his general play for Napoli? Is he still wrestling with the CBs?
 
bosnian_red said:
Happy for him that he's started scoring! Also incredibly happy with having Sesko at United rather than Hojlund. He wasn't right for us or good enough, and I still think that's the case. Glad that he's actually better than the pub level footballer he was here though. Sesko is far more complete of a player and has far more to his game so will just do better IMO.
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Sesko is a more complete player. And fits us much better currently. Rasmus fits with a manager like Conte. He doesnt get many chances but he is extremely clinical, whereas Sesko needs a few chances to finish his dinner. On the other hand Sesko is actually a boon in the build up play, which Rasmus isnt.
 
Mcking said:
That was his only shot the whole game. Averaging one shot per game.
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Sounds familiar. One of the things I like about Sesko is his willingness to shoot, especially after a season with Rasmus and Zirkzee.
 
So glad he's doing well. Seems to really suit the team/league, forming a formidable connection with KDB.

Hope this means whatever clause it is gets triggered. Wouldn't want him back.
 
Good to see him among the goals. Hopefully, he has a strong season and we get our 45m Euros.

If Barca can purchase Rash, we will start next season's window at +75m with some big salary players off the books in Casemiro, Rashford, Sancho and potentially Maguire too.
 
btw. It was not his only shot in the match. KdB played him free again and Rasmus netted before the official goal. It was taken back due to an earlier off side though. Nevertheless. He got two chances and scored both. It could just be a purple patch, but it could also be that he really just need to be played in the right way. His finishing was always good.
 
Feel bad saying this but when I check Napoli have scored and see his name I’m quite pleased whereas when it’s Rashford with Barcelona im not as pleased. I guess Rasmus conducted himself relatively well here and just ultimately wasn’t good enough.

But if you’re a CF playing in a weaker league with a significantly better team and head coach that will always help improve things. Should remember as well that he was okay under ETH in his first season so his level last season probably wasn’t a true reflection.
 
Well. Shaw and Dalot and Onana and Bruno has done plenty of napping during games in our defense this season (and last season was not better). Is that also not real football, or does napping only count in Italy.
 
Zico1982 said:
Well. Shaw and Dalot and Onana and Bruno has done plenty of napping during games in our defense this season (and last season was not better). Is that also not real football, or does napping only count in Italy.
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Our brave boys were just staging lay down protests about all the small boats coming over here and trying to ruin football.
 
Blood Mage said:
Him tearing up Serie A doesn't mean he'd come back here and tear up the PL. I think Sesko has a higher ceiling anyway.
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Sesko does have a higher ceiling, but I would have kept Hojilund personally. Now he gets good service and chances are created for him, he's scoring. What a suprise.
 
RedSky said:
Jeez, that's awful defending. They all just ball watched with the exception of their #2 with a half arsed attempt to close down.

Happy for Hojlund.
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It is a rebound from the keeper (before that it is all one touch football). Very hard to defend untill Anguissa takes his shot, but the Genoa left back, I think it is the Icelander Ellertsson gets fouled (slightly) by Di Lorenzo in the build up and he stays down for too long, he was the closest to the rebound, unfortunately for him being on the ground meant he couldn’t beat Højlund to the ball. Could be bad defending, but takes nothing from his finishing.
 
dinostar77 said:
Sesko does have a higher ceiling, but I would have kept Hojilund personally. Now he gets good service and chances are created for him, he's scoring. What a suprise.
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Why couldn’t he score for Denmark?
 
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