Rasmus Hojlund (Out) | take performance chat to his performance thread

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Smores said:
I still think give him a season where he's not starting and learning from a top striker and he might improve significantly. Gyokeres would be a good model for him.

That said we need to loan out one of Obi or Hojlund for sure.
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I’ve never bought into this concept of ‘learning from a top player’, when you have coaches and former players who can support.

Think it’s more important to get his mojo back out of the limelight.

A season loan might be the best option for him.
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's not worth selling him now, better to give him another season
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I agree, but we need sales to generate revenue for transfers. Selling rashford pays for Cunha for example, Jamie Jackson just explained in his guardian article.

Selling rasmus pays for delap (our prime target for striker apparently). IF we can offload Antony and others apparently there is interest in osiheim. But some big if's
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's not worth selling him now, better to give him another season
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Why? We need the money and his value is going to drop even more. We should put a buyback or sell on clause as I think Hojlund is someone who would be better when he’s 26 or 27. We bought him too soon and with no experience around him.
 
I really don’t get this club. Why is he holding a fecking golf club?

The sort of shit Matic was on about the other day. That’s triggered me more than it should have.
 
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We've created a massive dilemma with Hojlund.

He needs to be a backup - he's young, raw and one for the future.

70Mil or whatever we paid was way too high, we've given him the No9 jersey and put way too much pressure on him too soon.

The system doesn't seem to suit him - he's been battered by fans and the media, the lack of support around out forward line is virtually non existent.

The scrutiny of playing for this club is huge. It's crippled Hojlund. He hasn't played with any form of confidence for months.

But we have done this to him. We haven't supported him, we haven't allowed him time to develop, we've completely left him isolated.

A striker with zero confidence is like playing with 10 men.

What's so frustrating is there is a clinical striker in there with him. He could be amazing. He could smash goals in for fun. But it's all coulds and maybes. I don't think Garnacho is capable of being a team player in this system - he just does not look to play any form of through balls or crosses to the No9. We aren't a coherent team and Hojlund is the fall guy. He needed to be a developing player learning and gaining minutes - not the soul no9 for the biggest club in the world with zero support.

Our best option is to keep him - let him rebuild confidence behind the scenes and re-integrate him to the pitch slowly behind a new no9. Take the pressure and intensity off him for a bit
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's not worth selling him now, better to give him another season
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I would agree with you IF we were in a better financial position, however that's not the case so need to sell in the summer to raise money for signings.
 
United666 said:
I really don’t get this club. Why is he holding a fecking golf club?

The sort of shit Matic was on about the other day. That’s triggered me more than it should have.
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Only club he will get near, perhaps?
 
croadyman said:
I would agree with you IF we were in a better financial position, however that's not the case so need to sell in the summer to raise money for signings.
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We can't keep buying players for way over the odds and then selling them for fractions of the cost. We're going to be paying back the Rasmus fee, selling him when he's at his worse is a dumb move. It's like letting your garden become overgrown and smashing a hole in your wall and then trying to sell your house... bad move!
 
United666 said:
I really don’t get this club. Why is he holding a fecking golf club?

The sort of shit Matic was on about the other day. That’s triggered me more than it should have.
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Probably a photoshoot after Rory Mcilroy won the other week, he's a united fan
 
croadyman said:
I would agree with you IF we were in a better financial position, however that's not the case so need to sell in the summer to raise money for signings.
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It would actually harm our PSR to sell him for anything less than 38m. I think there’s a player in there, he just needs a loan or a back seat.
 
croadyman said:
I would agree with you IF we were in a better financial position, however that's not the case so need to sell in the summer to raise money for signings.
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Loaning him would be the smarter move if we want to move him on at this point. He is only on 85K so getting his wage covered won't be an issue and we should be able to get a reasonable loan fee on top whilst retaining his rights so we don't screw our PSR position.
 
United666 said:
I really don’t get this club. Why is he holding a fecking golf club?

The sort of shit Matic was on about the other day. That’s triggered me more than it should have.
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He's Gareth Bale without the footballing ability
 
Cassidy said:
When hes worth 10m?
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Realistically that won't happen.

Strikers are hard to find and no matter how bad this year has been he has already scored over 50 goals in professional football with the majority coming in the PL/Serie A or European competition. His rock bottom price is going to be around 25/30M as there will always be clubs and managers who can convince themselves that they can unlock his potential, at least so long as he is still in his early twenties as there are numerous examples of players like Rasmus struggling early on and then breaking through.

The smart move, unless Ruben really does want to keep him around, is a loan to a decent side in Italy or Germany where he may well have a bit of a bounceback season and generate a bit of real enthusiasm for a permanent sale next summer. With another year of instalments paid off he might even end up generating a nice bit of profit in 12 months time that will help with out next years transfer business whereas this year he would almost certainly create a loss which would hamper us.
 
Gandalf said:
Realistically that won't happen.

Strikers are hard to find and no matter how bad this year has been he has already scored over 50 goals in professional football with the majority coming in the PL/Serie A or European competition. His rock bottom price is going to be around 25/30M as there will always be clubs and managers who can convince themselves that they can unlock his potential, at least so long as he is still in his early twenties as there are numerous examples of players like Rasmus struggling early on and then breaking through.

The smart move, unless Ruben really does want to keep him around, is a loan to a decent side in Italy or Germany where he may well have a bit of a bounceback season and generate a bit of real enthusiasm for a permanent sale next summer. With another year of instalments paid off he might even end up generating a nice bit of profit in 12 months time that will help with out next years transfer business whereas this year he would almost certainly create a loss which would hamper us.
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“His rock bottom price is going to be 25/30m”.

No his value can drop if teams start to think this season was not a one off
 
Can’t see him being sold - he just needs to learn more and get his confidence back - selling him now at a huge loss would be a massive mistake.

Depending what we bring in forward wise - he may well be better off going out on loan - to a less competitive league and that should help his confidence and his value.
 
I can see him going out on loan next season, a sale is very unlikely given the fee it would take to break even in terms of PSR.

But a new striker, Zirkzee and Chido is probably enough without European football. Even if we made Champions League it’s probably not a huge difference if Hojlund is here or not.

I’m sure he could do well enough in Serie A to be an easy sale next summer.
 
dinostar77 said:
There's still a good player in there. As Alan shearer said on MOTD2, his confidence is shot and he's just isn't ready to lead the line for a club of Utds stature.

You'd have to question why Benni McCarthy was let go when Amorim took over ( I hope I have that right). Who is coaching our strikers 1 on 1 and working with them?

I ask as Cristiano received a helluva lot of coaching from Fergie, Rene Mulensteinn and Mike Phelan in how to play as a striker.
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McCarthy was let go under ETH then Ruud came in.
 
We have got to sell him

Apart from his lack of technique, his lack of fight has not been mentioned enough by our fans.

It is infuriating to see him doing those low speed half "presses" and refusing to committing himself in challenges.
 
ScholesBrain said:
We have got to sell him

Apart from his lack of technique, his lack of fight has not been mentioned enough by our fans.

It is infuriating to see him doing those low speed half "presses" and refusing to committing himself in challenges.
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Worse than rashford according to our so called manager.
 
Needs a loan. We need two strikers in the summer, I don’t care if one is a free transfer or a 37 year old loanee, just get Rasmus away from this for a year and see what happens
 
I'd take a half eaten kit kat for him and call that a good deal. Should not even be an option on the bench nevermind start the Europa final.
 
Hester_manc said:
The problem is the whole team/club. Not a single player.
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Hopefully youre kidding. Hojlund is such a pussy of a player. Never good enough. Daylight robbery we paid so much money for him. It's not like we created 4-5 chances just for him which he completely missed while being absolutely useless in hold up play.

Can't actually remember a worse striker getting run of games like him who ever played for us.
 
We won't beat Spurs with this clown starting. Try to surprise them with a false 9.
 
Poborsky's hair said:
Hopefully youre kidding. Hojlund is such a pussy of a player. Never good enough. Daylight robbery we paid so much money for him. It's not like we created 4-5 chances just for him which he completely missed while being absolutely useless in hold up play.

Can't actually remember a worse striker getting run of games like him who ever played for us.
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He has scored 2 goals in our last 4 games and was unlucky not to score today. Their keeper was the best player on the pitch. But Højlund is not our main problem here. The problem is much bigger than him.
 
Is there any chance at all that Zirkzee is fit for the final? I don't even rate Zirkzee, but Hojlund is Weghorst/Bebe levels of shite. He's so slow to react to balls into the box.

Assuming Zirkzee is out... as much as it's not really fair to chuck Chido Obi in to such a situation, I genuinely think we stand a better chance of winning games with him on the pitch than Hojlund. This is one of the very rare occasions when "[academy player] can't be any worse than [underperforming first team player]" doesn't feel hyperbolic to me at all.
 
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