Rasmus Hojlund (Out) | take performance chat to his performance thread

[Globule]

The problem is the whole team/club. Not a single player.

The first part isn't wrong. There are widespread issues at this club.

But even then Hojlund stands out. His performances are nothing short of abysmal week after week and we've become so used to it that if he has a game where just a few of his attempts to hold up the ball don't end in failure, or if he manages to score a meaningless tap in after stinking up the place all match it gets celebrated like some sort of achievement.

At this point it feels like cheering on a child for not wetting the bed.

 

[JBG]

Been multiple rumours of Juve wanting him, hopefully true. Just sell him, for his and the clubs sake.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Er no. United should sell players who clearly aren't good enough

we should but we cant

 

[soapythecat]

I get he feeds on scraps but he is diabolical as a CF. Yet again, we were playing with 10 men and a guest competition winner - he doesn’t even do the basics right.
His confidence will be lower than a snakes arse but he was very, very poor.
Practice with a false 9 against Chelsea and do it for the final.

 

[Nas-JR]

I get he feeds on scraps but he is diabolical as a CF. Yet again, we were playing with 10 men and a guest competition winner - he doesn’t even do the basics right.
His confidence will be lower than a snakes arse but he was very, very poor.
Practice with a false 9 against Chelsea and do it for the final.

I have a problem with that first sentence. Ball got played into him a lot in the first half and I'd say he lost 90% of his duels. He also constantly lost the ball when he did manage to somehow control it with a brain dead decision or poor touch. Second half he had at least 2 piss easy chances, and we had cross after cross coming in and he either completely failed to anticipate the ball or got a weak head on it.

 

[Slugger O'Toole]

Er no. United should sell players who clearly aren't good enough

I guess the thinking is, no club in their right mind is going to pay £30m for him at the moment, but if he can score a few goals in Bundesliga on loan then someone might.

 

[Dominos]

Er no. United should sell players who clearly aren't good enough

We'd need to sell for about £40m to not make a loss on him this summer.

He is simply not sellable right now given the price we paid.

 

[2 man midfield]

Er no. United should sell players who clearly aren't good enough

Unless we get 38m for him, we’d be hurting our PSR by selling him. At least with a loan, we get to see if he can rediscover some form out of the spotlight. Then we either see his value rise like Antony and get some suitors, or he comes back in as a backup option.

I think there’s a player in there somewhere. He showed it at times last season. His confidence is just on the floor.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

We'd need to sell for about £40m to not make a loss on him this summer.

He is simply not sellable right now given the price we paid.

Unless we get 38m for him, we’d be hurting our PSR by selling him. At least with a loan, we get to see if he can rediscover some form out of the spotlight. Then we either see his value rise like Antony and get some suitors, or he comes back in as a backup option.

I think there’s a player in there somewhere. He showed it at times last season. His confidence is just on the floor.

We're on the hook for his amortization and wages next season if we keep him. You need to account for that when doing any sort of breakeven analysis. The PSR breakeven is much lower than 40m as a result.

 

[BuzzKillington]

Is there any chance at all that Zirkzee is fit for the final? I don't even rate Zirkzee, but Hojlund is Weghorst/Bebe levels of shite. He's so slow to react to balls into the box…

I’d give my left nut for Weghorst right now. He was much better than Rasmus.

 

[CM]

Needs a loan. We need two strikers in the summer, I don’t care if one is a free transfer or a 37 year old loanee, just get Rasmus away from this for a year and see what happens

Agreed. I don't think there's even any point in trying to sell. Loan him and see if he can do better in a lesser league and restore some value. His contribution this season has been worse than anything I ever could've imagined.

 

[limerickcitykid]

We're on the hook for his amortization and wages next season if we keep him. You need to account for that when doing any sort of breakeven analysis. The PSR breakeven is much lower than 40m as a result.

It would be about 25m which tbf no one is going to offer either as he’s the worst striker in the league.

An Antony type loan is the best case scenario as he’s currently worthless.

 

[2 man midfield]

We're on the hook for his amortization and wages next season if we keep him. You need to account for that when doing any sort of breakeven analysis. The PSR breakeven is much lower than 40m as a result.

The way I see it, he won’t be sold. So he either stays, stinks out the place and we can’t even sell him next summer. Or he goes on loan, scores some goals and either comes back like a new signing or we get some money for him. I’m resigned to him being on our books no matter what.

 

[the hea]

A loan seems like the best option for next season. No one is paying any money for him after this season but if he can go on loan to a midtable club in maybe France or Italy and have a decet season there maybe we can get 20-30m for him after that. He's still young and can still have a good career but it will 100% not be at this level.

 

[golden_blunder]

Lads most of the comments in these last few pages belong in his performance thread not the transfer thread

 

[0le]

We'd need to sell for about £40m to not make a loss on him this summer.

He is simply not sellable right now given the price we paid.

This doesn’t make any sense. We can sell him at whatever cost we like. It’s the total that matters, not individual transfers.

 

[Dominos]

This doesn’t make any sense. We can sell him at whatever cost we like. It’s the total that matters, not individual transfers.

Obviously if you want to sell him for £10m we could but good luck convincing our accountants that's a good idea.

 

[2 man midfield]

This doesn’t make any sense. We can sell him at whatever cost we like. It’s the total that matters, not individual transfers.

Well yeah but if we’re already in a precarious PSR position, we aren’t going to make that any worse by taking a loss on him. We need him to find some form one way or another, and I don’t think it’ll be here.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Well yeah but if we’re already in a precarious PSR position, we aren’t going to make that any worse by taking a loss on him. We need him to find some form one way or another, and I don’t think it’ll be here.

On the contrary, PSR is quite manageable. It's our cash flow that's a mess more than anything else.

 

[2 man midfield]

On the contrary, PSR is quite manageable. It's our cash flow that's a mess more than anything else.

So you’d take between 10-30m for Hojlund just to get some cash in the door? I don’t really see how that helps, especially when we amortise our deals anyway. According to the athletic we’ve got around 100m in headroom before we have to sell, earmarked for Delap and Cunha. We’ll probably spread the Cunha money over 5 years, so would cash really help? I’m not sure, but it seems like if and when Cunha and Delap sign, we can’t really afford to harm our PSR any more.

 

[McFred]

So you’d take between 10-30m for Hojlund just to get some cash in the door? I don’t really see how that helps, especially when we amortise our deals anyway. According to the athletic we’ve got around 100m in headroom before we have to sell, earmarked for Delap and Cunha. We’ll probably spread the Cunha money over 5 years, so would cash really help? I’m not sure, but it seems like if and when Cunha and Delap sign, we can’t really afford to harm our PSR any more.

You’re mixing up PSR (accounting profit/loss) and cash flow here.

€100m PSR headroom is not particularly impacted by signings we make this summer - it’s the amortisation of the fees, plus wages, over time that are the PSR cost, not the immediate cash out (even in instalments). If we make some money on Rashford, that will further increase the headroom.

Frankly I would use some of that headroom to accept the loss we make on selling Hojlund and just get him gone. He’s so far away from Man Utd level it’s staggering.

 

[2 man midfield]

You’re mixing up PSR (accounting profit/loss) and cash flow here.

€100m PSR headroom is not particularly impacted by signings we make this summer - it’s the amortisation of the fees, plus wages, over time that are the PSR cost, not the immediate cash out (even in instalments). If we make some money on Rashford, that will further increase the headroom.

Frankly I would use some of that headroom to accept the loss we make on selling Hojlund and just get him gone. He’s so far away from Man Utd level it’s staggering.

Psr works on a 3 year period doesn’t it? So it’s a constantly evolving thing. As far as I remember from the reports, we’ve got money for Cunha and Delap before our psr is affected. Surely selling Hojlund and taking a hit on psr will impact us this summer, unless we’re able to sell some other players to cover it? I’m not saying we can’t do it, but is it wise?

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Psr works on a 3 year period doesn’t it? So it’s a constantly evolving thing. As far as I remember from the reports, we’ve got money for Cunha and Delap before our psr is affected. Surely selling Hojlund and taking a hit on psr will impact us unless we’re able to sell some other players to cover it? I’m not saying we can’t do it, but is it wise?

Yes, which actually works in our favor if we decide to take the hit and sell him now.

 

[2 man midfield]

Yes, which actually works in our favor if we decide to take the hit and sell him now.

I’ll take your word for it, I’m nobody’s accountant.

 

[Pexbo]

He’s had two seasons and failed miserably. There is not a footballer in there. At all.

Need to prove we are a serious club and have him nowhere near the squad next season let along the starting lineup.

 

[stepic]

Get rid. Take the hit on the psr if need be.

 

[wolvored]

We need to stop buying young players for a fortune, with nothing to show and making them first team players from the word go. Atalanta must have laughed their bollocks off getting 72 million for a novice player, who is gradually getting worse. If we are spending big money in the future then it needs to be an experienced proven 23-28 player only.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

He’s had two seasons and failed miserably. There is not a footballer in there. At all.

Need to prove we are a serious club and have him nowhere near the squad next season let along the starting lineup.

Everyone keeps saying there is. Never saw one. Have little hopes for him.

He should be loaned out and all we can hope is that the loan turns out to be like the Antony one.

 

[DJBillRemfry]

I could imagine West Ham taking a look with an initial loan plus option or performance related obligation offer

Almost a total clear-out up front going on in the summer (Ings, Antonio, Ferguson, Fullkrug) - and Hojlund, even with his failings yesterday, looked better than Ferguson from Brighton who'll be a Return To Sender.

He's grossly overpriced at £60-£70m, but at half of that he might be fair value.

 

[UpWithRivers]

If Arsenal can shove Trossard and Merino and Diaz up front and make do without a striker than why can't we? Ok yes it has affected them not having a proper striker and we don't have Saka and other scorers but it's got to be a better solution than having 1 man down. I'm all for trying Mount there.

 

[Apokalips]

We need to stop buying young players for a fortune, with nothing to show and making them first team players from the word go. Atalanta must have laughed their bollocks off getting 72 million for a novice player, who is gradually getting worse. If we are spending big money in the future then it needs to be an experienced proven 23-28 player only.

While we should not be buying players like Hojlund, with no track record or special talent, for big money, we can't put random arbitrary rules in place like that.

If a young Wayne Rooney, Messi, Lamine Yamal is available at 21 or 22 then we don't sign them because they are not 23-28?

 

[fergiewherearethou]

We need to stop buying young players for a fortune, with nothing to show and making them first team players from the word go. Atalanta must have laughed their bollocks off getting 72 million for a novice player, who is gradually getting worse. If we are spending big money in the future then it needs to be an experienced proven 23-28 player only.

We've bought enough experienced players for a lot of money only to do feck all here.
It's about who you buy and what is the plan with that player.

 

[BorisManUtd]

If there are Italian clubs interested, I would sell. We need money to buy players and not sure you keep 70M signing as backup option, even if he's still a young-ish player.

 

[Dion]

While we should not be buying players like Hojlund, with no track record or special talent, for big money, we can't put random arbitrary rules in place like that.

If a young Wayne Rooney, Messi, Lamine Yamal is available at 21 or 22 then we don't sign them because they are not 23-28?

Those sorts of players will never, ever be available at 21. You either get them in their teens or when their first major contracts run down in their mid 20's.

 

[golden_blunder]

Closing until there’s actual transfer rumours to discuss. This is not his performance thread, take the chat to that thread. Transfer forum is for transfer news/rumours and light conversation. This has gone beyond that and continues to carry on