Rasmus Hojlund (Out)

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Whilst I am not disputing where Hojland (or Salah) sit on this chart ….. it’s a nonsense stat made up by someone who probably couldn’t tell Van Basten from Shaun Goater …. I much prefer the eye test …. And Hojlund isn’t covering himself in glory this season
But the chart matches the eye test for pretty much every player and even anomalies.
 
There are a plethora. Get Cavani back from Boca! I can't believe how much money we spent on Hojlund. Everyone wants to be the smartest guy in the room and reinvent the wheel

Yeah it was mad money, however don't see any sign of us wanting to sign a journeyman striker
 
I'd be shocked if we could even get 30m for him. He's just a waste of money so far.
 
Last season he turned in a fairly decent season all things considering. He got a bad injury at the worst time which really derailed his scoring form.

But this season he looks like he’s plummeted.

Feels like he’s progressed up way too soon and in hindsight probably should have stayed at Atalanta to develop more. It seems unfair on him to have the pressure of being the main striker. He should be an understudy to the main striker.
 
High but who is gonna want him
I'd say there'd still be a fair amount of interest, given his age and the qualities that he does have.

But at what price however? If United got two thirds of the £72m they paid for him then the club would be doing well imo.

I'd much rather have spent that money on someone like Evan Ferguson because at least he has tools (touch and technique) and potential required. I just don't see that with Hojlund.

People keep mentioning that he shouldn't be the main striker given his age and inexperience, and of course in an ideal world he wouldn't be. But...United are in far from an ideal world these days, so who the club get in to be that main striker? What striker of any standing is going to be attracted to play for the club at this time? That's the quandary.
 
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People have been moaning about this guy for a season and a half but his conversion rate (on decent chance) last season was only slightly lower than Halaand's (certainly for quite some time). We need to create decent chances. Without that even kane and messi would struggle to score (I accept Messi could possibly create chances all by himself!)... did you see how many chances Arsenal created in just the opening 20 minutes against City?
 
People have been moaning about this guy for a season and a half but his conversion rate (on decent chance) last season was only slightly lower than Halaand's (certainly for quite some time). We need to create decent chances. Without that even kane and messi would struggle to score (I accept Messi could possibly create chances all by himself!)... did you see how many chances Arsenal created in just the opening 20 minutes against City?

Yup - he is definitely being scapegoated for playing in a poor team.
 
People have been moaning about this guy for a season and a half but his conversion rate (on decent chance) last season was only slightly lower than Halaand's (certainly for quite some time). We need to create decent chances. Without that even kane and messi would struggle to score (I accept Messi could possibly create chances all by himself!)... did you see how many chances Arsenal created in just the opening 20 minutes against City?

Hopefully he is gone in the summer, he's part of the reason we can't afford to buy a striker now
 
People have been moaning about this guy for a season and a half but his conversion rate (on decent chance) last season was only slightly lower than Halaand's (certainly for quite some time). We need to create decent chances. Without that even kane and messi would struggle to score (I accept Messi could possibly create chances all by himself!)... did you see how many chances Arsenal created in just the opening 20 minutes against City?

How long are we going have posters posting this stat as if it's meaningful. Adebayo, Awoniyi and Hwang Hee-Chan all had better or comparable conversion rates last season. I suppose we should sign them?

Hojlund scored 2.36 goals over his xG which is way down the list he isn't particularly clinical it's just he has so few shots compared to Haaland (bottom 1 percentile for reference) . That's not a reflection on the rest of the team it's his own inability to make the right runs or create his own chances. He's basically that shit lad everyone has played five a side with who goal hangs and occasionally scores a goal.

Whenever pros and pundits talk about him they all say the same things. He's just miles from being ready and the only thing he has going for him is his physical attributes.
 
People have been moaning about this guy for a season and a half but his conversion rate (on decent chance) last season was only slightly lower than Halaand's (certainly for quite some time). We need to create decent chances. Without that even kane and messi would struggle to score (I accept Messi could possibly create chances all by himself!)... did you see how many chances Arsenal created in just the opening 20 minutes against City?
A CFs main job is being in the position to be on the receiving end of chances or create them for himself. Hojlund doesn't get chances because he isn't good enough for this league and the opposition don't give him a sniff.
 
I think there is a genuine chance both Hojlund and Zirkzee go?
I guess it depends on their value at that time. Why I say that is that Hojlunds value is at the absolute bottom right now, and will be a risk for anyone signing him given how his development has stalled. I think with a set Amorim team and an established striker ahead of him he will improve onec his game time is managed.

As for Zirkzee, he's still a new signing and was coming off a really impressive Seria A season, there should be demand for him there.
 
Neither will go in this window that's for sure. But in the summer I feel there's a big chance both will be moved on, unless one or both hit top form.
 
People have been moaning about this guy for a season and a half but his conversion rate (on decent chance) last season was only slightly lower than Halaand's (certainly for quite some time). We need to create decent chances. Without that even kane and messi would struggle to score (I accept Messi could possibly create chances all by himself!)... did you see how many chances Arsenal created in just the opening 20 minutes against City?

When we do create good chances, he's about 10 metres behind the ball so it's not like he's totally blameless.

Maybe he can finish when the ball is at his feet, but that's pointless when he can't anticipate the ball movement. Premier League defenders simply won't allow the ball to be at his feet in a dangerous area.
 
He's basically that shit lad everyone has played five a side with who goal hangs and occasionally scores a goal.

Actually we're yet to have a shit lad on my team who has scored goals in Serie A and the Premier League, as well as internationally.

Sounds like are playing at a pretty high level so I'm gonna assume you know what you're talking about.
 
I wonder if they could tempt Leipzig with a swap deal of sorts (plus cash) for Sesko in the summer? I think it'd make a decent amount of sense for all parties.

United get their new CF - a chance to start again with a new player that could be an elite striker, Leipzig get a replacement who I still think is a good player with plenty of potential that they could rejuvenate.

And for Hojlund it's fresh start away from the spotlight and pressure, where he won't necessarily be expected to be carry the goal-scoring burden as they'll still have Openda, and is at one of the better club's in Europe for developing talent (in a league I think his style would suit).
 
When we do create good chances, he's about 10 metres behind the ball so it's not like he's totally blameless.

Maybe he can finish when the ball is at his feet, but that's pointless when he can't anticipate the ball movement. Premier League defenders simply won't allow the ball to be at his feet in a dangerous area.

His first touch won't allow the ball to be at his feet in a dangerous area.
 
When we do create good chances, he's about 10 metres behind the ball so it's not like he's totally blameless.

Maybe he can finish when the ball is at his feet, but that's pointless when he can't anticipate the ball movement. Premier League defenders simply won't allow the ball to be at his feet in a dangerous area.
show me some footage him getting a good ball in the area and fluffing it... I can think of one
 
Actually we're yet to have a shit lad on my team who has scored goals in Serie A and the Premier League, as well as internationally.

Sounds like are playing at a pretty high level so I'm gonna assume you know what you're talking about.
Nah, he's shit.
 
A CFs main job is being in the position to be on the receiving end of chances or create them for himself. Hojlund doesn't get chances because he isn't good enough for this league and the opposition don't give him a sniff.
show me some clips were he's missed a good chance - I can think of only one. How many do you think Ruud would have scored if, beckham, giggs keano or scholesy hadn't passed to him?
 
How long are we going have posters posting this stat as if it's meaningful. Adebayo, Awoniyi and Hwang Hee-Chan all had better or comparable conversion rates last season. I suppose we should sign them?

Hojlund scored 2.36 goals over his xG which is way down the list he isn't particularly clinical it's just he has so few shots compared to Haaland (bottom 1 percentile for reference) . That's not a reflection on the rest of the team it's his own inability to make the right runs or create his own chances. He's basically that shit lad everyone has played five a side with who goal hangs and occasionally scores a goal.

Whenever pros and pundits talk about him they all say the same things. He's just miles from being ready and the only thing he has going for him is his physical attributes.
the pundits have also all agreed that he doesn't get much service,. but I love how selective you are. Show me some clips of him getting a decent pass in the penalty area... let's start with, shall we say two?
 
I’m firmly of the opinion that we could have Harry Kane upfront and it wouldn’t significantly improve our goal scoring. Our general play is so poor and chance creation so limited at the moment. I’m hoping that having Dorgu provide natural width and power may make a difference in dragging defenders out of position. Dalot and Maz are so easy to defend against and provide so little threat that teams happily allow them the ball. Dorgu is much more direct and commits defenders. We saw last year that a confident Hojland can score goals- we just need to help him get back to that level!
 
show me some clips were he's missed a good chance - I can think of only one. How many do you think Ruud would have scored if, beckham, giggs keano or scholesy hadn't passed to him?

How do you still have faith in him, wild
 
How do you still have faith in him, wild
because he hasn't been used right... pass to him in the area. also if you're at matches you'd see he makes some good runs but no one is good enough to pick him out. also, at least he looks interested which is more than I can say for the likes of Rashford recently and Martial. Also, who else is the? Zirkzee hasn;t scored since the opening day and even that was a mishit (I reckon)
 
because he hasn't been used right... pass to him in the area. also if you're at matches you'd see he makes some good runs but no one is good enough to pick him out. also, at least he looks interested which is more than I can say for the likes of Rashford recently and Martial. Also, who else is the? Zirkzee hasn;t scored since the opening day and even that was a mishit (I reckon)
The guy is never in the right area. His runs are shit. He spends more time bustling with defenders than actually trying to get inside the box.
 
show me some clips were he's missed a good chance - I can think of only one. How many do you think Ruud would have scored if, beckham, giggs keano or scholesy hadn't passed to him?
You totally ignored what I said :lol:
A CF's biggest quality is that ability to get into chances. Knowing where to move to open up and receive passes or chances. Creating chances for himself.

Hojlund is close to the worst player in Europe's main competitions (he's literally in the 1st percentile) for total amount of shots. The guy doesn't shoot. 22nd percentile for receiving progressive passes. 35th percentile in shot creating actions. Those stats say it all about him. It's not a case of "oh the system is hard". No. Zirkzee is a bit shit clearly but even he's comfortably outperforming Hojlund in each of those metrics. Hojlund's movement is horrific and he's never in a position to receive the ball or chances, his first touch is shit and he tends to lose the ball shortly after it's passed to him, and then when he does get it and doesn't lose it, he pretty much never takes shots.

He's a CF. He's supposed to be a danger man. He's supposed to be hard to mark and he's supposed to have a good instinct/nose for goal to know where to position himself and peel off of defenders so that our players can actually find him. Hell even McTominay was able to do that bit last season. Hojlund is absolutely horrific at that. This isn't a case of "oh he can finish when he does shoot so he must be good". That's literally a pointless stat. The biggest sign of a player just not being good and not being good enough for the league in general is that they aren't capable of making any impact in a game, cause no threat, take no shots. That is ALL on Hojlund himself. The only clubs in the league who would probably consider taking him on loan would be Wolves and Southampton, both who are in and around the relegation zone and basically have no CF in the first place.
 
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