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It is an 7/10 so far. With a potential to be 7.5/10 should we also manage to sell Onana till Saudi/Turkey window closes
On the sales how do you think we could have done better ?Cunha & Mbeumo are instant upgrades, and both had good starts hopefully more to come, Sesko hopefully will get up to speed after the international break and gets a few 90 minutes and Lemmens, I don't no much about him but at this point anyone is better than what we got, i'll go a 8/10 for incomes
As for the outgoings i'll give it a 5/10, purely because we couldn't get a fee for Rashford or Sancho, we should've got more for Garnacho. Now this is where the rating tanks, we've made a £110 million loss on Antony and Hojlund, two players bought only 2/3 years ago, add a possible Onana sale you're looking at more like £140 million, that makes me sick, Malacia not getting sold isn't a massive issue, his salary isn't high and his orginal transfer fee is small
6.5/10 for me.
Positives
- Only positives for the Cunha transfer - acted quickly and got him at a good price all things considered. +2
- Mbuemo - mostly positive, I think we could have got him cheaper if we put in a higher bid earlier (wasn't our original bid like £40m or something?) - but then I think we ended up getting payment terms so yeah. Ultimately it's a fair price too considering what everyone else went for this window. +1.5
- Rashford loan. Barca covering all his wages was about as good as we were going to get - nobody was going to buy him.
- Hojlund - that's actually a really good deal (Even if I there's part of me that still thinks there's a player in there).
- Lemmens and not Martinez.
- Sesko I'll put in the positives as I think it'll work out. Fair whack of change but that was the going rate for strikers.
Negatives
- I find it baffling that the club needed us to play games this season before realising we needed a new keeper. That should have been sorted long before a ball was kicked. Just speaks to incredibly poor planning and we've lost 1 PL game and are out of one cup thanks largely to poor goalkeeping.
- We didn't buy a midfield. Speaks for itself really. We've bought 4 midfielders in 7 years. Liverpool have bought 5 in 3....
- Garnacho price. Some factors were out of our control (i.e how much of a prat he is) but when you consider his age and stats, the fact that we got less fro him then Elanga or Noni Madueke can't really be seen as a positive.
- Sancho out on loan. This one really isn't our fault - he had good offers from Chelsea and Roma and we can't force him to move. But the fact that he's still on our books and we didn't get a fee for him isn't a positive (even if him not being in the club is)
- Antony... again mostly not our fault as he only wanted Betis and Betis were being arseholes... but still, we had offers of 40m for him, so even if it isn't our fault its still a negative that we sold a player for less then he's worse. Also I don't think we'll ever see anything from that 50% clause.
- Alvaro Carreras - I feel like this goes too under the radar, but we sold a 50m Euro defender without ever giving him a shot for 6 million and only had a 15% sell on (so in total we made about 13m off him).
So yeah, its an OK window thanks to some good signings - but the hole in midfield is bordering on negligence, as was the planing around our goalkeeper position. Also we lost out on a lot of money on outgoings - mostly not our fault (you could argue it was a bit with the Garnacho one) - but there is an alternate world where we made an extra £50 from Sancho/Antony/Garnacho this summer.
On the playing games before realising we needed a keeper thing. Isn’t that just the nature of the transfer window? Loads of players change clubs after the season starts. This isn’t because their clubs only realised they needed them at some point that week.
Besides, didn’t we start negotiating with his club a good month before the season started?
I think this is unfair. Most clubs use the summer for a bit of a reset. Players can get into a rut of bad form during the season and like to give the players the benefit of the doubt during the summer. Give them chance to have a holiday and reset their heads, get them in on the training pitch and drill the hell out of them. Especially as GK, trying to get them in tune with the defenders is a big thing and if both sets are playing with confidence it's possible.But anyone with eyes could see we needed a new goalkeeper long before the first game of the season. The fact that the club thought they wouldn't need a keeper and they told Onana we wouldn't be buying one... I dunno, I find that baffling.
But anyone with eyes could see we needed a new goalkeeper long before the first game of the season. The fact that the club thought they wouldn't need a keeper and they told Onana we wouldn't be buying one... I dunno, I find that baffling.
Interesting piece in the Athletic this morning on the transfer window.
A few bits;
The club felt Hojlund represented an example of the old regime overpaying for players and thus felt it best to move him on as he was tarred with that after last season.
We had interest again in Welbeck if we went down the experienced striker route but it would have been a 2 year deal taking him to age 36 and the club felt 1+1 was better. In the end Sesko was pursued and no offer was made.
Martinez had talks with Amorim in June and July and really wanted to come. Seems he was Amorim’s first choice. In the end financials made it impossible, he has a contract until 2029, earns more than Onana and Villa wanted £30m plus.
Onana came back to more season asking for a new contract still sulking over the 25% reduction for not being in the CL. Didn’t impress Amorim.
Donnarumma wanted €13m per year net, apparently significantly more than Fernandes. This was therefore a non-starter from the get go.
Interest in Baleba still there and expected to go back. Club felt they could not justify the price Brighton wanted this window.
I put euros on my original post but it was in fact pounds so edited it now. The article does say net though.That Donnarumma salary demand...! He was asking for £407k per week!
Good shout on Alvaro Carreras, he's class. He's been solid and taken the level really quickly everywhere he's been too, so it was hardly a surprise he turned into an excellent LB. I wouldn't lay that at current managements door though, it was done before the takeover was completed.6.5/10 for me.
Positives
- Only positives for the Cunha transfer - acted quickly and got him at a good price all things considered. +2
- Mbuemo - mostly positive, I think we could have got him cheaper if we put in a higher bid earlier (wasn't our original bid like £40m or something?) - but then I think we ended up getting payment terms so yeah. Ultimately it's a fair price too considering what everyone else went for this window. +1.5
- Rashford loan. Barca covering all his wages was about as good as we were going to get - nobody was going to buy him.
- Hojlund - that's actually a really good deal (Even if I there's part of me that still thinks there's a player in there).
- Lemmens and not Martinez.
- Sesko I'll put in the positives as I think it'll work out. Fair whack of change but that was the going rate for strikers.
Negatives
- I find it baffling that the club needed us to play games this season before realising we needed a new keeper. That should have been sorted long before a ball was kicked. Just speaks to incredibly poor planning and we've lost 1 PL game and are out of one cup thanks largely to poor goalkeeping.
- We didn't buy a midfield. Speaks for itself really. We've bought 4 midfielders in 7 years. Liverpool have bought 5 in 3....
- Garnacho price. Some factors were out of our control (i.e how much of a prat he is) but when you consider his age and stats, the fact that we got less fro him then Elanga or Noni Madueke can't really be seen as a positive.
- Sancho out on loan. This one really isn't our fault - he had good offers from Chelsea and Roma and we can't force him to move. But the fact that he's still on our books and we didn't get a fee for him isn't a positive (even if him not being in the club is)
- Antony... again mostly not our fault as he only wanted Betis and Betis were being arseholes... but still, we had offers of 40m for him, so even if it isn't our fault its still a negative that we sold a player for less then he's worse. Also I don't think we'll ever see anything from that 50% clause.
- Alvaro Carreras - I feel like this goes too under the radar, but we sold a 50m Euro defender without ever giving him a shot for 6 million and only had a 15% sell on (so in total we made about 13m off him).
So yeah, its an OK window thanks to some good signings - but the hole in midfield is bordering on negligence, as was the planing around our goalkeeper position. Also we lost out on a lot of money on outgoings - mostly not our fault (you could argue it was a bit with the Garnacho one) - but there is an alternate world where we made an extra £50 from Sancho/Antony/Garnacho this summer.
As much as I adore Bruno, I have to agree here. The prudent financial move is to take the hit and move on. I can understand why it wasn't done, I'd be terrified of going into the season without Bruno. He's carried us for the better part of 5 years now and is still among the top 5 players in the league for me. I'm guessing that was one risk too many for the team.The good parts
- We are slowly but surely getting more assertive. No more buying the manager's pets for ridiculous money
- We spent realistic fees and we gave decent salaries
- We got rid of most of the bomb squad.
- We have shown early signs of being able to negotiate multiple deals at one go. We were even able to put two clubs against one another (Villa vs Royal Antwerp) and get the player we wanted
The bad parts
- Bruno should have left. Getting 100m for a near 31 year old player was a home run. If Amorim complained then he should have been told to follow him to the door
- two no 10s were overkill especially since we retained Bruno
- we are still struggling in getting rid of players we don't want. That's also down to Amorim whose 'airing the dirty laundry' strategy had turned the player's prices into mush
- I would have loved to see us buy more Lammens type of signings especially surrounding CM.
I'd give it a solid 6. Yet I still fear that the season will be fecked and that's down to us retaining Bruno instead of investing that money in CM
As much as I adore Bruno, I have to agree here. The prudent financial move is to take the hit and move on. I can understand why it wasn't done, I'd be terrified of going into the season without Bruno. He's carried us for the better part of 5 years now and is still among the top 5 players in the league for me. I'm guessing that was one risk too many for the team.
The good parts
- We are slowly but surely getting more assertive. No more buying the manager's pets for ridiculous money
- We spent realistic fees and we gave decent salaries
- We got rid of most of the bomb squad.
- We have shown early signs of being able to negotiate multiple deals at one go. We were even able to put two clubs against one another (Villa vs Royal Antwerp) and get the player we wanted
The bad parts
- Bruno should have left. Getting 100m for a near 31 year old player was a home run. If Amorim complained then he should have been told to follow him to the door
- two no 10s were overkill especially since we retained Bruno
- we are still struggling in getting rid of players we don't want. That's also down to Amorim whose 'airing the dirty laundry' strategy had turned the player's prices into mush
- I would have loved to see us buy more Lammens type of signings especially surrounding CM.
I'd give it a solid 6. Yet I still fear that the season will be fecked and that's down to us retaining Bruno instead of investing that money in CM
Bruno said that he would leave if the club needed the money. Well the club could have told him that they needed the moneyOn Bruno - he didn't want to go, not like we could force him?
Did his wife not inform him she did not want to move the family there? If that is true then the move is simply not possible.Bruno said that he would leave if the club needed the money. Well the club could have told him that they needed the money
He didn't seem thrilled by the prospect, but I'm not sure he would have dug his heels in either. He was quite clear in press conferences over the summer that he would have gone if it had been the wish of the club, and hinted that if the money had helped the club he'd "take one for the team". Amorim came out just after and said we didn't need the money from the Bruno sale [that much, at least not enough to offset the pain of losing him].I remember thinking our window in summer 2010 was awful. We then went and won the league and reached the Champions League final.
On this. There remains one point. The only real interest was from Saudi. What if he didn't want to go there? That was the issue. Had he wanted to go, I think we'd have let him but clearly, he didn't.
Bruno said that he would leave if the club needed the money. Well the club could have told him that they needed the money
Consistent rumors state that Bruno will move to Saudi next year and that he preferred not to move now because its the WC year. Let's be fair if Bruno didn't want to go to Saudi then they wouldn't pester him year after year for the past 3 years. The Saudi's might not be everyone's cup of tea but I think that we can all agree that they aren't morons.Did his wife not inform him she did not want to move the family there? If that is true then the move is simply not possible.
Good shout on Alvaro Carreras, he's class. He's been solid and taken the level really quickly everywhere he's been too, so it was hardly a surprise he turned into an excellent LB. I wouldn't lay that at current managements door though, it was done before the takeover was completed.
On goal keeper, I don't quite understand what the hold-up was on Lammens. I'm sure we could have sorted that deal before DD. Maybe we hadn't quite decided between Dibu and him, and wanted to see what we could achieve on outgoings to understand if Dibu was even financially feasible?
Lemmens is so.much better than Martinez8
Would have been 9 if we got Martinez instead of an unproven GK.
Bruno said that he would leave if the club needed the money. Well the club could have told him that they needed the money
I would give it a 6 or maybe a 7. My chief issue is the lack of midfield additions. Swap any of the 3 attackers we signed for a midfielder of equal value and it would be an 8 or maybe a 9.
