If you were asked to think of a player that could do such a thing (not maliciously), the first two players that spring to mind are Luiz and Jones, maybe even Bailly. It's reckless and dangerous play.
Raul Jimenez suffers fractured skull
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I do agree that players need to be made responsible, but it's incredibly hard when football is a sport with proper physical contact.
What does this got to do with 5 subs? It wasn’t a muscle injury.
I actually agree with you.
I particularly remember that Brandon one.
Defenders both mistime these "challenges" and use them to put a player off challenging again. If those tactics/intentions were used for any other challenge they would be considered dangerous play.
General negligence of player welfare.
I thought as much when it happened, real pity because Jimenez is a really good player I hope he can come back but not sure it’s possible with the amount of heading he’d be expecting to do. Damn shame..
It is difficult, but people said similar when ‘follow through’ tackles were clamped down on, now it’s the norm and players aren’t as reckless.
If things are being reviewed retroactively in this sense, red cards should be the least of their worries and court cases and damages the main focus. Mind, I did not watch the clash of heads as I can't bring myself to do so.
Yes, but duels on the ground don't have to always be about strong physical contact. You can't try and minimise the dangers of aerial duels without changing the whole game. At least I can't see a realistic way of doing that.
I fully agree with you.
Couldn't believe what i just saw after i've seen the replay.
This was one of the most reckless challenges i have ever seen in any sport.
Such a shame. A skull was the least I expected, seeing the clash. I hope he makes a good recovery. I agree it should be as much a red card offence as kicking someone recklessly. Can't think of a better definition of dangerous play.
Ive thought about that this weekend too. You’re slightly late with your foot and slightly high on the ankle (which is protected by pads) and people are foaming at the mouth for it to be a red.
recklessly throw your head into a situation, or a keeper coming to punch someone’s head and it’s “there to be won”.
Makes no sense what so ever
Players have come back from fractured skulls. From memory, I think Corey Evans had a bad one last year and I think he’s either back or due back. Michael Keane had a hairline fracture and was back in a month. It’ll depend on the location and obviously, severity.
I knew something bad had happened after hearing the sound and seeing the players reaction. Shite. Speedy recovery Raul 
Terrible injury. Hope he gets better soon.
You punish the out of control ones. That hopefully reduces instances like this.
Comments made by Troy Deeney on Talksport this morning (tweet now deleted) do not help. Essentially, it was a minute long clip of him saying that players should have the freedom to decide, and that people from the outside looking in shouldn’t get in-between the relationship between the player and the medical staff. He started the clip by saying something like “how many things have footballers already had taken from them?” Absolutely barmy stuff.
Guess when a player suffers himself from the action he just made, people are hesitant to punish him. However, I also think this should be the case. You need to protect the head from injuries through the rules. It's actually quite simple: If you punish players for such duels, they will happen less frequently. Generally, I think the current rule set is too focused on "ill intent". Sure, David Luiz suffered himself from that situation so one can assume he didn't intend to do so but he really shouldn't have put Jimenez at risk. If I underestimate a ball and hit the knee of the opponent, injuring myself simultaneousy, this is also a red card.
I would lay the blame for this squarely with Luiz, utter moron of a footballer and an absaloute danger to other players as proved yesterday. Not saying he meant it but it was complete and utter stupidity.
He reminds me of the guy you would play against on a 5 a side team, no clue how to play football and as a result is a danger to other players.
Agreed.
Also is it time that the use of those 'helmets' that Rooney wore for a while were encouraged if not made mandatory? Would also help with the longer term effects such as older footballers with dementia.
Very scary and wish him will in the future.
I imagine the flamboyant players would be heavily against that. Can't imagine those that rely on their appearance to boost their monetary gains will be happy to wear headgear.
Well the difference is in the latter case no-one actually has control of the ball so it is a 50 50 in a sense whereas in the former case one player has definite control. That said I do hate fans baying for reds with tackles that are just a bit late and high. Soon the game will be entirely non contact.
As for people thinking I want the dark ages back. I think the laws around tackling in the mid 90s were about right.
Are you saying there is a chance Raul Jimenez cannot play football anymore, even if he recovers properly from this incident?
Also, headgear would encourage even more reckless head behaviour because there is less risk of injury. The easiest way to reduce head injuries in the NFL would be to remove helmets altogether
Such a shame as he was a late bloomer who had turned into quite a brilliant player. Really sad to see.
Won’t help when you get smacked in the face. Boxers wear gloves and head protection but still sustain life changing injuries
Jota should return as an act of kindness
nasty way for your career to end if it is, he's a quality player too, has really made a name for himself in the Premier League.
He also said something about if a player goes off in different games for concussion that his teammates would start to think they were soft, that they would be saying, 'Where were you when we needed you'. Should pass that on to George North the rugby player and see if he agrees with him.
Yeah, a pretty high chance unfortunately.
That’s inaccurate. NFL would need a complete change in rules. The tackling etc in American Football is way different to rugby for example. Rugby changed its rules to a penalise dangerous challenges. AF has players flying in from everywhere
This is devastating, I really liked the player. I can only hope that it's not as bad as initially thought then.
What's allowed in the NFL tackling that isn't allowed in rugby?
Edit - the point about more recklessness in football with headgear still stands though
Yeah i found those comments very strange. Shows what it would be like to play under him if he was your captain.
That's a bonkers argument. Should motor cyclists also not wear helmets so they will drive slower and pose less of a danger to themselves? I dont think players are going to start kicking each other on the head to test out how sturdy the helmet is.
It’s one thing that he’s a current footballer constantly talking about other fellow professionals, but his comments like this are so damaging. Really backward mentality that needs to be eradicated from the game.
That’s really sad and unfortunately a cultural thing which can’t be simply changed overnight.
Interesting point, however if it were me, I would be ok with earning 250k now and not have dementia later in life rather than earn in excess of 250k now and have or risk having have dementia later.
Also wearing a helmet dodsnt hurt Lewis Hamiltons or Tom Bradys images/monetary gains.