His goal for West Ham against Tottenham was absolutely incredible. It looked like he might reach his potential. I never really understood how he fell out of favour so suddenly and dramatically.
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No, he passed it to the overlapping player.
I dont think remember him playing horrible for United in his limited appearances. From what I remember, he outshone Pogba at the time.
Exactly this. Suggesting Morrison was not a huge talent at 18 or that skill is the only thing he did, is disingenuous, and plain wrong. Sure, he never lived upto his potential, but there is a reason he is still being talked about 10 years later, while his peers like Tunicliffe, Cole and Will Keane have been forgotten. Yeah he wasted his career, and he was a great talent. Both can be true. Saying he was not is revisionist.
I guess he didnt perform in training and they all saw that he aint a prem player..
He couldnt get minutes in a bottom half team in the swedish league. And some thinks he's better than dan james and could do a job for us... Facepalm
Freddy Adu has had a better career which says it all
Overhyped. Overrated.
Never understood the hype. Not in the caliber of any top talent yet continues to be in that bracket.
Never understood the hype. Not in the caliber of any top talent yet continues to be in that bracket.
Weird how some still pine for him.
The one thing that has been repeatedly acknowledged is the talent and potential he displayed at youth level, but what has also been stated is that what he did at youth level is irrelevant.
For someone claiming that others are being disingenuous, this an awfully disingenuous straw man you've constructed.
I don't doubt he's doing well for Jamaica, and I understand he did himself proud in Mexico.
I probably agree with you that he could go back and do well in a South or North American league.
My post was in response to someone that had compared him to Dan James, but the sad fact (for Morrison at least) is that Dan James has accomplished and proven himself far more as a senior footballer, both at club and international level, than Morrison has and likely ever will, and a few good appearances for Jamaica and one good loan spell in Mexico in what is now 10 years in senior football is just testament to that.
Theres nothing worse in football than wasted potential. Ravel had the potential to go to the very very top. Possibly the best youth player in Utds history. First team players would go to watch youth games to watch him play. You dont hear that very often.
Will remain forever a pub what if? question.
Will remain forever a pub what if? question.
Overhyped by Alex Ferguson, Paddy Crerand, Paul McGuinness, Rio Ferdinand, Gary Neville, Wayne Rooney (and the list goes on)? Do me a favour. The class and ability was there for all to see. That he didn't live up to the billing for well publicised reasons doesn't mean he was overhyped or overrated.
I'll get destroyed for this but here goes..
bring him back on a pay as you play deal
he loves the club, the talent is there he just needs an arm around the shoulder - Ole is the perfect manager for him
what have we got to lose? lolz
bring him back on a pay as you play deal
he loves the club, the talent is there he just needs an arm around the shoulder - Ole is the perfect manager for him
what have we got to lose? lolz
Cool to see he's loved in Jamaica. They have a really exciting team at the moment too.
You dont want ravel anywhere near your club and your impressionable young players. He not PL now and maybe not even championship level. Time takes it toil.
Can't wait for Ravel to retire, it's getting more and more painful seeing him fail at clubs.
The Dutch side he couldn't get a game at were near bottom three of their league, he's clearly never going to regain his fitness enough to be a decent level footballer.
The Dutch side he couldn't get a game at were near bottom three of their league, he's clearly never going to regain his fitness enough to be a decent level footballer.
Hope he makes it at Derby. Really hope the United connection between both of them motivates him to actually warrant a place for one, and buys him a bit more patience with Rooney.
His downfall at West Ham was down to Sam Allardyce.
Was that the League Cup v Palace debacle? He looked utterly lost.
Pogba came on in that match as well and also didn’t look anything like ready. I’m not sure about the “men” though; the “senior players” on that occasion were a ragbag of out of favour squaddies who looked like they’d never played together before.
I came away very disappointed with both Morrison ands Pogba, while recognising that the conditions weren’t ideal for them to shine.
What's his excuse for the other ,god knows how many, clubs he's signed for then ?
It's amazing how well he's still done in life after pissing his talent up the wall, I give him that.
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No way was it to do with Sam Allardyce, I've read countless stories of West Ham players mentioning how Ravel wouldn't turn up to training or would come walking in an hour late.
His downfall was himself, Sam might have encouraged this agent they talk of but the reality is he wasn't taking his career nowhere near seriously enough.
Probably would have ended up like Pogba if he stayed and became half-way decent. The fans would get themselves into a tizzy over his commitment to the club etc.
I don't condone the other shit, but Allardyce had a big hand to play in the West Ham issues.
As usual, I hope he does well and reaches some of his potential.
As usual, I expect to be back here in 6 months when he fails.
Hes the everlasting what if? question.
As usual, I expect to be back here in 6 months when he fails.
Hes the everlasting what if? question.
But see the video, above, which makes him out to be the best player on the pitch.
This is the thing, he was never a decent level professional footballer. He was a talented youth player, nothing more, he not had any sort of impact at professional level.
Which is why I'm sick of hearing about him. He was very talented but like everything people have exaggerated that talent beyond what it was.
I see you are incapable of moving beyong the binary of "best player on the pitch" and "lost boy on the pitch". He came on in the carling cup against Palace, played in a rag tag team alongside players like Macheda and Diouf, and played decently.
Right. Sure.
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What I don't get is we have some people on here claiming Rashford is overrated, yet also we have others on here wanting Ravel Fecking Morrison to come play for us.
A player who has scored 20+ goals for the past two seasons yet is over rated against a player who has never ever shone at any level of professional football....pure and utter madness!!
No he doesn't. He was on an interview with Rio where he wouldn't shut the feck up about supporting Arse-
Ah. Right here is where I've seen the white text.
Disregard
well there's thousands of users on here so with any one particular issue there's bound to be people with opinions that sit on the extremes
I don't think the Caf has ever agreed on anything, apart from James Corden being a cnut
I don't know, I think he displayed in his short period at West Ham that he had it in him to play at the top level. It was his professionalism that destroyed his career.
Whereas you seem to think he should come back to United and play instead of Bruno, or something.
No I think he lost his chance back in 2012. He is barely even a professional footballer now. But I also think he was a better player than Pogba back in 2011, and I dont have a problem with acknowledging both of these things at the same time.
Some feel the need to play down his talent at a young age, just because he didnt live upto it. I really dont understand why.
I wouldn't lose any sleep over it mate
I get your point. I disagree however. Dan James has proven very little at the international level. I think Ravel has mental health issues that he hasn't ever resolved or even acknowledged. For all of his issues I know people with his mentality. They need more than just a stage to perform. They need to feel loved and accepted. This group of Jamaican players...unlike past generations...care more about each other. I think Ravel has made bad decisions but people like Big Sam also failed him. I hope he has a good 3 years and a World Cup with us. When he retires he definitely needs to have therapy and help. There are deeper issues there. I hope he can have a convo with Ian Wright about mastering his issues.
What is there to disagree with?
Dan James has proven far more than Morrison, which is the point. The people he associated with as a kid at United and whatever it is Big Sam is supposed to have done to him are all in the past. I don't disagree that he should seek help if it's something that's still affecting him, but the fact remains that he's had a very lacklustre professional career.
Morrison made his professional debut in the 2010/11 season and has only played in 140 senior football matches at club level, and just 3 at international level. Dan James made his professional debut in 2017/18, a full 7 seasons later, and has already played in 115 senior football matches at club level, and a further 24 at international level. James has also just played for Wales in the Euros.
I wish Morrison all the luck in the world, and it'd be great to see him represent Jamaica in the World Cup next year, but it's simply incorrect to say that he's come remotely close to James' career.
To be honest I'm amazing he's made 140 senior appearances at club level. I'd love to see the breakdown of those stats because other than a few loan spells and his Mexican journey he's barely played for anyone.
He basically had two normal(ish) seasons in 2012/13 and 2013/14 where he was featuring fairly regularly (either off the bench or starting) for West Ham, or on loan at Birmingham and QPR, and he had an okay season in Mexico. He's been very much bit part everywhere else though.
He made his debut in 2010/11, so in 11 seasons of senior football, he's played in 140 senior matches (49% of which came in just two seasons - 2012/13 and 2013/14), and has averaged fewer than 13 appearances a season. If you ignore the two seasons mentioned there, he's averaging 8 appearances a season, and if you remove his season in Mexico, it's less than 6. He's played for 11 clubs, and made fewer than 10 appearances for 7 of them.
Are people really saying he is better than Dan James 
It’s an annual event where Ravel Morrison resurfaces for whatever reason (usually trialing with a random club) and without fail there’s someone on here who’ll say that we should sign him and put him in the first team squad.
On a side note given the lack of money Derby clearly have for players and the ongoing saga of trying to find a buyer i fear Rooney is on a hiding to nothing there and would be better served looking for a new club as soon as possible
That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum. And there's some stern fecking competition.
Rio Ferdinand recalls one particular moment: “Sir Alex Ferguson, I remember, he called me and Wazza [Wayne Rooney] over one day and said: “look at this kid, he’s better than you, Rooney when you were a kid, he’s better than you, Rio, better than Ryan Giggs when you were kids. This is the best kid you will ever see.”
When legendary United defender Gary Neville was contemplating retirement, he had begun his first steps into commentary, beginning with MUTV.
He watched numerous youth team matches at Altrincham’s Moss Lane which would play host to the next generation of stars hoping to make the breakthrough. Paul Pogba and Jesse Lingard also featured.
“Ravel Morrison’s ability was just a scandal,” proclaimed Neville after one such performance. “He was playing in a midfield three with Pogba and Ryan Tunnicliffe. All of them were outstanding, but Ravel was the principal game changer.
“He was an unbelievable talent, a Paul Gascoigne-type who could beat men and score some incredible goals. There are few players in central midfield who can beat people – Ravel could drift past them.”
Legendary midfielder Paddy Crerand was also watching all those reserves games for MUTV. He gave Morrison his highest accolade. “Ravel was the best youngster I’d seen since George Best,” Crerand told me. And he should know. He watched almost every game Morrison played for United youth and reserve teams while working for MUTV.