The never ending story. At his age he'll likely end up somewhere only to fail yet again. Wouldn't mind so much except it pains a little knowing what talent he had/has is being wasted. If only.......if only..he'd retire and end this once and for all. Until then, will still hope (in vain).
Ravel Morrison | Derby player
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No, he's just really, really thick. He has yet recognised the correlation between hard work and success. He's repeatedly lost his job by doing things like failing to turn up on time for training and listening to his coaches, and yet here we are, a decade later, and he's still doing the same thing.
Come on, the reason teams are picked are on ability and perhaps he just isn’t better than the other players? In fact, Woodgate and Wilder specifically said that and before that in Sweden he just wasn’t fit.
Why is everything about made up attitude issues on here? If there was an attitude issue why would 3 managers in a row praise his training? Now come on, how about listen to the actual managers instead of deciding to make stuff up on your own.
He has played the odd game here and there anyway.
Except he isn’t.
Nah you're right. He's supremely talented but no one wants him for some ineffable reason.
He had two opportunities at Boro to impress under Woodgate and Warnock, and it wasn't for a lack of talent that he was dropped by both. It's not as if the latter doesn't have a track record of getting the best out of mercurial players in a rigid system.
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I'd just assume he's not particularly good at this point. Might want to try League One or Two to see if he can make it at that level.
You can be the most talented player in the world at youth level but that doesn’t mean you can step up to professional football at the top. It takes a cutting edge and killer instinct that some players just never get.
look at Rashford -when he was in the youth team I thought he was promising but no more than quite a few others and yet, he got a chance, grabbed it with both hands and never looked back. The path to the first team is as much timing, luck and determination as it is skill.
look at Rashford -when he was in the youth team I thought he was promising but no more than quite a few others and yet, he got a chance, grabbed it with both hands and never looked back. The path to the first team is as much timing, luck and determination as it is skill.
Maybe, just maybe, it’s possible that not properly applying himself when he was younger has had a negative impact on him in later life. Basically the ship has sailed for him.
It’s his mental health not his attitude. He can’t actually explain why he doesn’t put in the effort. I’m sure his agent will find another taker.
This guy was as talented as Ronaldinho I’m reliably informed 
Cant believe clubs are still wasting their time with the lad.
Cant believe clubs are still wasting their time with the lad.
He is a prime lesson to any young player coming through at United . I'm sure his name is used a lot to remind players talent isn't everything when it comes to making it at the club
Rio said recently there was no coaches at the club who understood ravels background and how to reach him and engage.
His attitude hasn't been a problem at other clubs, he's just not that good. Youth and men's football are two complete things.
I watched that interview and I’m not sure if I agree with it. Not just in football, but a lot of other sports, a good percentage of the athletes come from broken homes, poverty and lived in crime infested areas. The coaches they end up with are triple their age and probably don’t have the understand either. But a lot of these athletes become success stories. Ravel is certainly not the exception to the rule.
Sir Alex talked with him, as did Rio and Wes Brown. The light should’ve went on when we shipped him out that he was blowing his opportunity. Instead it just got worse.
It's not relevant if you agree.
Rio was there and knew all the people involved, so I'm happy to take his account as truthful.
I still remember at one point he was regarded as better young talent than Pogba...
I suppose we'll never know exactly what it is, whether him knuckling him down at a younger age would have seen him make it, if he was just destined to be an early bloomer who never did much or a bit of both. The narrative that he wouldn't make it because of his behaviour was written well before he's gone on to not make it.
Plenty of players shine bright when young then don't amount to much so who knows?
As he hasn't done it in 2 loans to the Championship (QPR 2nd time and 'Boro), or the top flight in Sweden which actually looks worse than the Championship on paper with coaches saying he's been applying himself I just don't think he has it now so he should drop down to a level lower than that.
He'll sign for some random foreign team and then turn up in the championship in a couple of years. So, so disappointing before Mason there had never been another academy product I was so excited about.
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It must be beyond frustrating when your name becomes (fairly or not) a synonym for wasted talent.
You have to feel for him, growing up in one of the richest countries in the world and being spoonfed everything he ever needed must have been so tough for him. He never stood a chance.
Sure go on making up something I didn’t say. Fits with you making up stuff in your original post too.
It was for a lack of ability. It’s also not as if Woodgate publicly praised his work ethic and attitude in training. The complete opposite of your “doesn’t turn up to training or listen to coaches.” Why would 3 managers in a row praise his effort and attitude if he wasn’t showing up to training and wasn’t listening?
He has been given countless chances everywhere from the Premier League (numerous times), to Lazio, Mexico and some team in Sweden. At some point that promise in the under 18s has to fade from memory.
Maybe because criticising him obviously wasnt working so some reassurance was worth trying, and maybe it even worked....for a while.
Players who actually do turn up and perform in training dont need 3 managers in a row to comment on it.
This is possibly the case, but it reads him feeling sorry for himself and a sense of entitlement.
Whatever obstacles he has overcome he was given an immense talent as a way out and he doesn’t seem to have recognised that.
"talent" doesn't just stay with you your whole life, it needs nurturing. An incredible talent at 17, not nurtured makes you an average 22 year old and a poor 27 year old. He might have fixed his attitude and is a great trainer now, but he'll never be able to get back the really key years from 17-22 where you grow your footballing skills and IQ. Whilst I have no inside knowledge, if he is a good trainer now, he still can't turn back the clock and so will always be a very limited player now.
It's a sad situation, but in life (not just in football), people don't reach their career potential all the time. I hope he can go on to have a good career in something else and doesn't end up like Gazza
It's a sad situation, but in life (not just in football), people don't reach their career potential all the time. I hope he can go on to have a good career in something else and doesn't end up like Gazza
Both Neville and Rio have come out and said the stuff he went through as a youngster was incredibly tough. They said that if they had gone through the same issues they probably wouldn’t have been able to hack it as footballers.
Ravel has paid his dues, is now a good trainer and has sorted out his head. The problem is he is not that good right now. I think it would complete the feel good story of our team currently if we could bring Ravel back for preseason camp. He plays in a position we need (we should not buy Grealish), he could take Lingard's spot (with a far higher ceiling) and get used to playing in training with us. Ravel is a symbol of how we have been mismanaged from SAF till Ole. If Ole can bring him in (and I do think Sheffield United's hiring of him last year and last year's closed-door preseason match with Sheffield United had something behind it) that would be a symbol of us taking care our own and, if he does show promise as a Bruno backup, we can play him in League Cups and, who knows, maybe it could be the biggest resurrection ever?
You disagreed with me, while offering up absolutely nothing up in return. Superb post btw.
Making stuff up... except, he quite literally was called out for doing exactly that.
It's not as if Fergie, Meulensteen, Rooney, Neville called him supremely talented, Ferguson going as far as to say he was the most talented youth product he had ever seen, and Rooney saying he was streets ahead of Pogba. It's not as if he was fined at West Ham for making homophobic comments on Twitter. It's not as if Allardyce openly questioned his discipline, or called him the biggest waste of talent he ever worked with. It's not as if then Lazio boss said he had to work harder, and cited his inability to speak or even attempt to speak a single word of Italian as reasons why they moved him on. It'ss not as if the coach's at Ostersund found that when he arrived, he wasn't even in good enough shape for their standards, scoffing pick and mix as he came.
The mental thing is, that's not even an exhausted list. There are dozens of people saying the exact same thing. But sure, it's simply because he wasn't talented enough.
Speaking of making things up: care you point out those managers that said noted a lack of ability? I'm mentioned 6 who support what I've said. And you?I dont think its about attitude anymore, its more qualities. He has a handful of premier league games total in his career. Nothing suggests he's good enough. He might get a contract in the lower leagues or maybe abroad. No chance he will be a premier league player, doesnt have the quality.
Glad he is finally training hard and trying, but its too late for him at the highest level
Have we fallen to a level that we need to resign players that couldn't cut it at United first time round?
I think Ravel needs to find his level, the problem for him is that level seems to be League One or bottom of the Championship.
Unfortunately, I knew he wouldn't make it when Sir Alex sold him.
Sir Alex bends a lot for talent, by his own admission, so it would have taken a lot for him to throw in that towel.
Was nice seeing a couple of World-Class flashes of brilliance when he was at West Ham. But i'll always feel a bit sad we never got that alternate universe where Ravel Morrison was devoted and committed to football. How good would he have been?!
Greenwood is probably our best talent since then, and seems a lot more level-headed luckily.
Sir Alex bends a lot for talent, by his own admission, so it would have taken a lot for him to throw in that towel.
Was nice seeing a couple of World-Class flashes of brilliance when he was at West Ham. But i'll always feel a bit sad we never got that alternate universe where Ravel Morrison was devoted and committed to football. How good would he have been?!
Greenwood is probably our best talent since then, and seems a lot more level-headed luckily.
Wythenshawe is still a place in the UK, where a person can depend on the government for food and place to live. I don't think people in bad areas of developed countries understand how much worse it could really be for them.
That's pretty much it for me, too.
I think there's an important lesson here for young players, especially those who have the talent and the skill to perhaps make it at the highest level. You need the right attitude to go along with it, because talent by itself very rarely gets you far enough, or at least it won't get you all of the way.
Just looking at the clubs that he has played for: Manchester United, West Ham United, Lazio, Sheffield United, as well as various clubs on loan. He has had chances and the opportunity to start again. In a 9-10 year career, he has made 135 appearances.
a bet theres a few caftards out there who still reckon we should take a punt on him
Any idea what that was? A lot of athletes come from bad areas and difficult backgrounds, what is Ravels story that is so unique? Genuine question.
They wouldn’t say as they said it wasn’t their right to. But they were pretty adamant that it was very hard.
Is this even true? IIRC A podcast was posted on here with an interview with one of his Sheff Utd team mates who said he's the player who gets fined the most in the squad for breaking the rules etc.