Wythenshawe?
Whats that got to do with anything? So is Marcus Rashford who just took on the government
So why is there so much homeless across the UK if we can simply depend on the government for food and a place to live?
Point proven. Just because he was born in the United Kingdom doesn't mean he was "spoon fed everything". It's a bizarre take. You lived in a "nice" country so you must have had a nice life? Give over.Wythenshawe?
We've got players in our squad who grew up in the slums of South America and Africa. I bet when Eric Bailly was walking down to his local well to get clean water he was thinking "at least I didnt grow up in Wythenshawe".
Morrison had every opportunity to make it.
And? What exactly is your point? Rashford made it so everyone that can kick a ball from Wythenshawe can and should make it?
No, but being scouted by United at the age of 8 does.
Rashford's mum appears to be a mighty fine lady, I don't know whether Ravel's family are similarly impressive. Not that that means he couldn't have risen above it of course, but not all people from Wythenshawe have the same opportunities just because they're from the same place. I agree Morrison is a plonker though.
This should be good, fully explain why being scouted at United ensures you have everything you need in life.
The club gave him countless opportunities to get himself sorted out and he didn't take a single one. If he had wanted it, everything was there for him.
They don't, but they DO have good opportunities compared to a lot of other footballers, just by virtue of being in the UK. Ravel is there making out he had it terribly hard. Maybe compared to other people he grew up with he did, but there are plenty in the Premier League who overcame much worse and don't use their upbringing as an excuse.
Indeed. This article on Antonio Valencia really highlights the disparity between the UK and elsewhere.Wythenshawe?
We've got players in our squad who grew up in the slums of South America and Africa. I bet when Eric Bailly was walking down to his local well to get clean water he was thinking "at least I didnt grow up in Wythenshawe".
Morrison had every opportunity to make it.
Having shit family and friends is just as good an indicator of how you'll turn out than where you're born though.
Privilege doesn't mean you don't have to worry. A privilege could be having a roof over your head, gas and electric or having people willing to come and pick you up to go football etc. Its complex.
And it's a credit to them but it shouldn't be used to slight others. I'm sure there are more players who didn't make it or didn't live up to their potential having gone through difficult life experiences than those who did.
C'mon... Wythenshawe isn't THAT bad to imply you're doomed in life just by living there.
The 'hype' was there because fans and people within the club were watching him tear it up at each stage of the youth set up, culminating in winning the FA Youth Cup (scoring lots along the way, and two in the final).
a) How has be paid his dues exactly?
Exactly. Valencia use to collect plastic bottles from the roads to get money for his family. Are there people really trying to compare that to living in some rough part of Manchester?
Totally agree. Dzeko, Lovren and many more Balcan players had to suffer the Yugoslavian wars, hide for days and nights and see their friends and neighbours getting killed on a daily basis and look at them making it on the highest level. I do not say that living in UK is easy but being under the Manchester United's blanket since 8 can't be worse than living in the favelas or eating once per day and drinking contaminated water.Wythenshawe?
We've got players in our squad who grew up in the slums of South America and Africa. I bet when Eric Bailly was walking down to his local well to get clean water he was thinking "at least I didnt grow up in Wythenshawe".
Morrison had every opportunity to make it.
I said I never understood the hype around him (I'm clearly talking about from what I've seen). How the hell does that translate to "putting him down"? People seem to believe football coaches are infallible. People tend to talk up their prospects/players. I didn't even state he was a talentless bum or anything.
The point is you portrayed because someone is from whythenshawe they automatically have baggage. i gave you the perfect polar opposite example of a current young united player focused on being a top pro and reaping the benefits. He was given preferential treatment at united pissing off other young lads there at the time, the club stood by him in court with the law and got to a point the great SAF said he is beyond help and sent him away.
It's got nothing to do with Wythenshawe or anywhere else. A shitty upbringing, with all the chaos and abuse it could bring, is a shitty upbringing - regardless of where it takes place. There's always someone worse off but I doubt that's any consolation if you can't sleep at night because your mum's up doing crack and her boyfriend is sneaking into your room to abuse you. I'm not saying this has happened to him but it does and that deserves sympathy, not some lazy platitude about 'thinking yourself lucky you don't live in the third world'.
But you admitted to not seeing much of him in general. Not sure how coaches can be wrong when talent is just obvious. It just looks like hindsight from you. Him not making it has nothing to do with the reasons you stated as in our coaches and youth watchers just talk up our prospects when they're not all that. Just look at a more recent example of Rashford and Gribbin. Both performed similar at youth level with Gribbin being slightly younger. How can anyone who watched both at youth levels know Rashford would take off like he did and not Gribbin?
You're comparing traumas based on absolutely nothing and that's a horrible thing to do and really don't think you realise this.
Again, so what? Rashford making it and Morrisons not, doesn't effect the commonly known fact that Wythenshawe is a shithole.
What are we arguing here? At which point did I say I've not seen much of him? I said I've seen the gif and video that have been reposted ad nauseam, because, well, it gets posted ad nauseam when people talk about Ravel Morrison. Does this translate/equate to "I've not seen much of him" to you? When did I say he didn't make it for XYZ reasons or "our coaches and youth watchers just talk up our prospects when they're not all that"? Is this a reading comprehension issue?
Because anyone that saw him at youth level would agree he was a top prospect with a lot of talent. I honestly am baffled anyone could think he wasn't talented.
Quite simply, we have no idea what may have been happening in the home in a child protection sense and this argument about England as a developed country is irrelevant to that.
The story goes that Rashford has a very down-to-earth family, Morrison doesn't - not sure how true that is
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Weird, did you know Pogba wouldn't make it when SAF sold him to Juventus?
SAF didn't sell him. He left on a free.
Well said.
Yeah, it's a reading comprehension issue. I'm not going to read the rest of your post. Argue with yourself.He didn't sell him, Pogba refused a contract and left on a free transfer.
You just did the same thing I did. Clearly I'm not arguing over you thinking he's not talented. I know you don't think that. I'm arguing with your opinion that you thought he was overhyped and that you thought he wasn't all that. It's a strange opinion and reeks of hindsight. Like, what would you base that on? Production? Technique? Decision making? There has to be something.
Weren't the main obstacles to his success the unsavoury characters that he called friends and associated with in Manchester? Happy to be corrected but I thought that was why SAF was happy for him to leave and try to start over elsewhere.
