Yagami
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Damn.... Rest in peace, Ray.
I dare say you’re right. Details get rather blurred at this length of time!They generally both played 25/30 games when here together (sometimes more) ... my memories are it worked well (Ray sitting, Robson driving forward) but as a team, we were just a bit short. The 433 towards the end of Ray's time here suited him.... he'd do well in the current game (a la Carrick).
If anything, it was Muhren who had injuries (off the top of my head, missed more than either of the other two), though when he did play (left side), the team balance was decent.
RIP Ray, good player (for us and other teams) and part of the early 80s sides I grew up with ..... from the great stories coming out today, a generally nice guy too.
Think it must have been 82/83 when he broke his cheekbone then. Was captain of both Utd & England when it happened, and lost both jobs permanently to Bryan Robson.I dare say you’re right. Details get rather blurred at this length of time!
I recall 79/80 looking something like this:
———-———-Bailey———————
Nicholl-Buchan-McQueen-Albiston
——————-Wilkins———————
———McIlroy———-Macari———
Coppell—Jordan—Thomas/Grimes
A very consistent and underrated side, that hadn’t got quite enough goals in it. Jordan was never prolific. Garry Birtles certainly wasn't the answer
If Wikipedia can be trusted, Robson, Moses and Muhren all had more appearances than Ray in 82/83, though Ray had a good number. God knows how they all fitted in.
It was 80/81 when he only managed 13 appearances. The team was crap in his absence, leading to Sexton’s sacking.
Indeed. A mistake IMO. Much as I loved Robson, it was all about him. Ray was more of a team player.Think it must have been 82/83 when he broke his cheekbone then. Was captain of both Utd & England when it happened, and lost both jobs permanently to Bryan Robson.
Absolutely. The team was definitely less balanced after Ray was sold. Olsen had many magic moments but was too lightweight to be consistent, and Strachan was another individualist.Related to that I have often wondered whether Big Ron was the greatest fan of RW somehow or maybe they took the ££££ off of Milan because he wanted to get proper replacement widemen in, with Coppell having retired & Muhren being not a winger, too much of a luxury & old - though playing on for ages in / with Holland.
I liked the Big Ron teams but they were lacking balance somehow at times - and were stronger overall with Moses and later Whiteside in the MF possibly.
That was my first final. My dad took me to the replay, we were only talking about it last week. Cracking goal thatSo so sorry, Ray came over as a real nice guy and thought he was a class player for Utd, best memory his curling screamer v Brighton in the cup final.
RIP Ray a really really nice bloke, sad.
One of the best years of my life. Best ever year for music, end of. And those first 15 matches were amazing, shame the wheels came off. But... If Big Ron would've won it that year, we may never have had the Fergie years!! Doesn't bare thinking about. Odd how some things are just meant to beIndeed. A mistake IMO. Much as I loved Robson, it was all about him. Ray was more of a team player.
Absolutely. The team was definitely less balanced after Ray was sold. Olsen had many magic moments but was too lightweight to be consistent, and Strachan was another individualist.
Fat Ron’s first four seasons were all pretty decent, though frustrating at times. His fifth (85/86) was the most bizarre season in all my nearly 50 years of following United; even more than 71/72. We were crap from the start, but somehow managed to go on a massive unbeaten run and were top of the league until way after Christmas.
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