Is it too late to hi jack this deal ? Maybe get Paddy Evra to have a word ?
Rayan Cherki | City agree deal for €35m + €6m add-ons (Romano) | Deal completed
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
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That didn’t work out too well with Nasri.
Regardless of whether he is good or not I think it is clear we wanted to to sign prem proven players this year. Delap, mbeumo and Cunha were all first choice for us.
“honest footballers” I have no idea what this even means. So you want more Ugartes?
It’s funny because people moaned for years about various “lazy” players we had in Martial/Rashford/Pogba etc yet at least with them we were top 4 (because they were actually good footballers).
Not that I’m saying those lot were the best things to come through OT or anything, but it is ironic now considering any one of those 3 mentioned above put our entire group of midfielders and attackers to shame in terms of quality apart from Bruno and maybe Amad. Maybe we should try to get more good footballers?
That’s a very narrow view to take in a rebuild with limited resources. “Prem proven” comes at a premium cost and even still is no guarantee of success. Whereas Cunha may be a very good player for us Cherki would’ve been a much better bet in more than one aspect. Sure you can say City were always favorites but that’s just pure conjecture at the end of the day as we were always chasing Cunha instead. Time will tell and not favorably I fear.
I’m just in the camp of taking smart bets when the present themselves. Cherki for that price is a very smart, calculated risk because the downside is he’s a lazy flop and you burned a relatively small amount of a single summers budget, while the upside is you get a world class level creative force that produce magic with a football and you do so for cheap.
I’m ecstatic at bringing in Cunha. I’ll be very happy with Mbuemo if/when it happens. Yes we need more in midfield. All of this is true. I just roll my eyes when it feels like our fans turn their noses up at an obviously freakish footballer because he might have an attitude issue or might not love to run around a lot out of possession. We aren’t in any position to be prioritizing those things over quality that’s priced cheaply, considering how poor our finances are and how little quality our squad has currently.
I’m very happy with Cunha and think he’ll be a star. I also think Cherki will be a star and for half the price would have happily brought in both of them.
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City kept outbidding us salary wise and they made him one of the best paid players in the league… But we got our revenge with Sanchez a few years later.
Fair enough and I hope Cunha scores and creates at a rate to make me feel stupid to even doubt him. But all the same in a rebuild in our financial predicament we should’ve been looking to a signing like Cherki instead IMO.
He’s going to be motm in the derby next season as revenge for Lyon, you just know it…
Why are other clubs not in for him? Will be a top top player. PSg should be all over it.
They already tried last year and had everything agreed with Luis Enrique even having a video call with the player.
He turned them down last minute because Dortmund manifested interest, then Dortmund changed managers and the deal fell through leaving him at Lyon.
Needless to say PSG probably didn't take it very well.
Btw a while back Luis Campos reportedly said there were only two geniuses in French football : Mbappe and Cherki
PSG almost signed him last year. And we were linked heavily with the caveat of securing CL. Slot went to France to speak to him directly, but most likely as a backup plan to Wirtz. Same for City, who pulled the trigger after missing out on Wirtz.
I'M pretty sure we would have had a go at both him and the Argie kid Real just signed if we had won the EL.
You can see his quality in the two games playing against us. With the quoted price, should have been our first priority.
But of course, we only go for 60 millions deal.
But of course, we only go for 60 millions deal.
Our strategy was to go for pace, power and athleticism first, which both Mbeumo and Cunha fits. Reports from France also said he would be keen on the move if we qualified for the CL. Links to him died down right after the final, so might be true.
It is but we also have a serious lack of players in their prime. Our squad is full of promising young players and has very few leaders. Cherki may be a star but I dunno if we have the right environment for him here.
He could do very well at City but largely because they have so much control of the ball. He absolutely, in no way could dovetail with Bruno.
For City he'll be like a less physical version of KdB. He'll do great there, link up well with Haaland and so forth - but largely because his lack of physicality and defensive effort won't be exposed when you have 70% posession every week.
He would have been a disaster for us imo.
For City he'll be like a less physical version of KdB. He'll do great there, link up well with Haaland and so forth - but largely because his lack of physicality and defensive effort won't be exposed when you have 70% posession every week.
He would have been a disaster for us imo.
I don’t think the ball is at our feet for this transfer. Meaning even if we try, Cherki unlikely pick us over other clubs. World Cup is next year. We had just hit rock bottom thus so many uncertainty heading into the new season. It wouldn’t look a very safe choice for Cherki.
I wish our squad was full of promising young players.
Fantastic player. Would’ve been a great signing for us if we had our shit together, but the nobhead factor coupled with the step up to the PL is a too risky and we all know City can just bin him off and replace him quickly if it goes tits up.
Fingers crossed he’s absolute shite for them. I have no doubt city fans will be dining out on him grabbing his balls at us when we played them at OT.
Fingers crossed he’s absolute shite for them. I have no doubt city fans will be dining out on him grabbing his balls at us when we played them at OT.
Is he three times better though? Cherki is a bit of an enigma given that he's been talked about as a generational player for the last 5 years and finally seems to be getting it together.
He's so strong on both feet, which can be a problem for defenders, and technically superb. The work rate aspect is fair though, he doesn't work nearly as much as Wirtz does but let's see how City circumvent around that.
I think it is but they lack leadership.
Yoro, heaven, dorgu, mainoo, garnacho, obi, amass, kone and hojlund to varying degrees are all promising young players.
The problem has been for players like hojlund, mainoo and garnacho, especially for hojlund and garnacho, they barely get a break. Both were overplayed because no one else was good enough or fit enough to play ahead of them. Even when both were shot mentally and probably physically they rarely if ever got a break. Barely any leadership or experienced players to shoulder the majority or goals etc.
Really they should both be back ups to better players and in previous squads they would have been. In our current squad they are our best options and under insane pressure game after game. I would rather keep garnacho personally but I think what we probably need is more established players because we have none. Rashford, Sancho and Antony have melted into nothing, they should all be starting ahead of garnacho so he can develop properly.
Anyway, probably not the right thread! But I do think this is a reason we haven't gone after a player like this.
He is insanely good. Completely changed the game against Spin.
He is more talented than Wirtz.
Mate Garnacho has one foot out the door and Mainoo isn’t far behind unless he outlasts Amorim. Højlund is young though. I’ll give you that.
From a pure talent perspective Cherki is on another level to everyone in our squad save Yoro.
Yeah and I think things for both of them would be different in a better squad.
And a system that suits them. I agree. I think our system suits Cherki to a tee though.
I think City are honestly the perfect Premier League team to circumvent around Cherki's limitations in the defensive phase. His primary limitation in this regard really boils down to athleticism. This is NOT me saying he's lazy, he's not very well-equipped to win the ball off opponents because he's not very tall and lacks the strength or stamina to make up for that.
Now, this is fine for City because they spend a lot of the time with the ball. They are by and away the English side that I think will best accommodate Cherki, and I think he's unfortunately going to be a brilliant signing for them.
For United, I'm not so sure we'd accommodate Cherki as well. We've gotten better at keeping the ball under Amorim but we still turn over possession quite a bit in the final third. I think it'll take some time before we're even close to City's level, and whilst we're building to that point I think we'll need the two attacking midfielders to be a bit more aggressive and physical than Cherki is capable of.
Also think he is more gifted/talented than Wirtz, will be a huge succes for City. Yamal, Pedri, Cherki are just gifted with talent.
The bolded is absolute nonsense. Cherki is actually a pretty big lad. You’d think City just signed Robinho to play in midfield by your description. I’m beginning to think you’ve never really watched him play.
He's not a midget but he's not particularly big in comparison to the players he'd generally be trying to win the ball off, those being Premier League midfielders and defenders. He's also lacks the strength and endurance of the shorter attackers who are better than him in the defensive phase, such as Bryan Mbeumo. Consequently, he's not as well-equipped to be aggressive off the ball. This isn't just me saying this - the numbers bear it out. Cherki just doesn't do much defending.
Now, as I say, this isn't necessarily a fatal flaw. Indeed, for City I think it's very likely not going to matter at all. But for United, I think we'll probably spend enough time without the ball next season that it'd end up being a bit of an issue for us.
Put it this way, I can quite confidently say that between Cunha, Mbeumo, and Cherki, Cherki is a distant third when it comes to all round athleticism. For United, I think that will end up being quite important for the foreseeable future. He's also, to be clear, a distant first when it comes to technical ability, which is why I think he's an excellent signing for City.
In term of pure technical ability I'd wager he is more talented than every single French player past or present. That's what scouts and youth coaches were saying when he was aged 14-15, that they had never seen anything like him. You got Campos (whose eye for talent is unmatched) naming him alongside Mbappe as the only two geniuses in French football for a reason.
We've had insane dribblers, fantastic passers, very rarely players who can do both and never before him someone who does both while being two-footed and from everywhere on the pitch.
His development took longer than expected due to Lyon being a terrible club to come up through in the past 5 years and Cherki being so far ahead of everyone in youth football that no one ever taught him how to track back, press or anything that you'd expect from a professional which made his game time limited in his first few years.
But he's always had absolutely insane potential and he's looking like he's on track to fulfill it after last season.
Well that’s the problem. It’s all about balance isn’t it. We had Pogba and Rashford. Liverpool had Salah and Wijni. Yet they were by far the better team.
Again just because I mention a word that sounds simplistic doesn’t mean it is. Roy Keane, Ryan Giggs, David Beckham.. were all honest footballers.
Extreme talent is fine but are you hungry are you professional on the pitch. We need those type of players.
Maybe it’s the age we live in where players look more robotic but there is nothing that Cherki has served up that Memphis Depay couldn’t do. We’ve had all these players fans want to get upset about that we aren’t glazing over now.
I repeat like the manager has said. We need to improve our physicality and athleticism. Once we get that foundation then we can worry about adding the cherry on top players.
Was a genuine wonder kid, whose development stalled a bit. It is fun to see him and to a lesser degree Odegaard, fulfilling that potential again.
I'd rather spend the mbuembo money on him assuming we weren't turned down beforehand.
He'll probably still choose city but worth a try I'd imagine.
He'll probably still choose city but worth a try I'd imagine.
I'm sorry but Cherki seems to have more talent in his less talented foot than Memphis ever had in his right foot.
I don't even know what to say to some of the posts here saying that fecking Depay has as much talent as Cherki. C'mon, this is below-the-belt even for hot takes.
That said, I really hope he flops hard at the Emptihad and doesn't drop a double hat-trick of assists against us, tbh.
That said, I really hope he flops hard at the Emptihad and doesn't drop a double hat-trick of assists against us, tbh.
There is no way that Depay had as much talent as Cherki, that is very daft. However Memphis was pretty awesome at Lyon, there was a time where only Neymar and Mbappe were better forwards than him in Ligue 1.
Your concerns are very fair!
I had huge doubts about Cherki a couple years ago mainly because of his attitude on the pitch where he wasn’t working enough.
This season I must say Ive been impressed. He’s not a workhorse but he does his part and I can see him having a very bright future if he continues to improve on the mental part of his game.
A bit like Kvara who couldn’t be arsed to track back at Napoli but turned into a pressing machine at PSG, Cherki can do his part if properly coached.
I think he would be a success for us, but where I have doubts is in our ability to properly help young talents fulfill their potential.
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