Rayan Cherki

CM said:
No Amad??
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Frimpong is a step up from Amad.

If you're looking for a well rounded player in offensive and defensive actions then Frimpong is the guy to get.

In addition his raw pace would give opposition players a lot of headaches and he's quite capable of chipping in with some goals himself.

If we're serious about challenging for the title in 3 or 4 years then bringing him in would be a huge step in the right direction. Not since Antonio Valencia have we had a rapid right sided player.

Not saying there's no space for Amad in the squad as Amorim has played him as one of the right sided 10s before.
 
A French maverick? Check.
A guy with suspect attitude? Check.

Sign him up and give him the number 7 jersey. Ooh ahh Cherki!
 
Waynne said:
Frimpong is a step up from Amad.

If you're looking for a well rounded player in offensive and defensive actions then Frimpong is the guy to get.

In addition his raw pace would give opposition players a lot of headaches and he's quite capable of chipping in with some goals himself.

If we're serious about challenging for the title in 3 or 4 years then bringing him in would be a huge step in the right direction. Not since Antonio Valencia have we had a rapid right sided player.

Not saying there's no space for Amad in the squad as Amorim has played him as one of the right sided 10s before.
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Hard disagree on Frimpong really. I can't help feeling he'd be a pretty massive flop here.

Amad may not be a suitable wing back for every match but has already proven he can do it against the stubborn low blocks we struggle to break down. Either way, he should be a starter. He was our best player this season before the injury.
 
Remember the geese said:
Very debatable. Amad is so good that he just happens to be brilliant in both positions.
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He ia clearly talented but Frimpong has been winning titles and scoring many G/A as a key player on that position. Amad is not as good as him yet.
 
aeh1991 said:
He ia clearly talented but Frimpong has been winning titles and scoring many G/A as a key player on that position. Amad is not as good as him yet.
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Amad is a lot more talented than Frimpong. Just a much better footballer. I know that Frimpong is capable of playing as a winger, but he doesn't have Amad's ability.
 
Remember the geese said:
Amad is a lot more talented than Frimpong. Just a much better footballer. I know that Frimpong is capable of playing as a winger, but he doesn't have Amad's ability.
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You talk about Amad like he's an established top tier talent that's done it over multiple seasons at the top level, which he's not (yet).
 
Waynne said:
Frimpong is a step up from Amad.

If you're looking for a well rounded player in offensive and defensive actions then Frimpong is the guy to get.

In addition his raw pace would give opposition players a lot of headaches and he's quite capable of chipping in with some goals himself.

If we're serious about challenging for the title in 3 or 4 years then bringing him in would be a huge step in the right direction. Not since Antonio Valencia have we had a rapid right sided player.

Not saying there's no space for Amad in the squad as Amorim has played him as one of the right sided 10s before.
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We're obviously investing in Amad long term, which means he will be starting most games.
 
Remember the geese said:
Amad is a lot more talented than Frimpong. Just a much better footballer. I know that Frimpong is capable of playing as a winger, but he doesn't have Amad's ability.
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And Amad doesnt have Frimpong his pace... they are different players and both can have an effect on the game in their own way. Frimpong is also more proven than Amad. Frimpong has been great in Germany for years now and Amad hasnt even been a good starter for Manchester United for half a season (because Amad got injured again).
 
Remember the geese said:
Frimpong is a very good wing-back, but he isn't as good a footballer as Amad. He simply isn't.
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He might be better technically, but as a overall footballer, he's achieved more and is way more composed and effective at the moment. Amad would probably get similar playing time as Tella at Leverkusen, while Frimpong is an undisputed starter who'd also play for most top clubs if they played with 3 at the back.
 
Remember the geese said:
Nothing is the objective truth. It's football - a game of opinions. I'm giving you my truth.
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Well that's fine but you keep saying it as though you're some sort of last word on what constitutes a 'better' footballer. Which, objectively, you're not.
 
croadyman said:
Has he actually got a low price tag
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Not officially. No release clause, but he had a gentleman's agreement that he could leave for circa €30m in January. That however, was not honoured. Therefore it remains to be seen what his price tag will be this summer, after what has been a real breakthrough year for him in terms of World-Class productivity.
 
Remember the geese said:
Very debatable. Amad is so good that he just happens to be brilliant in both positions.
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Him being perceived as "brilliant" is probably also down to the alternatives in our team being next to not noteworthy. I consider Amad a serious talent but lets not get overboard here. It was more or less his first year and he missed a lot of it. Lets see if he is able to replicate strong performances when he comes back and opposition teams will start to prepare for him. It isn't as if he's some sort of physical freak that is unstoppable. One step at a time.

Pickle85 said:
You talk about Amad like he's an established top tier talent that's done it over multiple seasons at the top level, which he's not (yet).
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Who would have thought, I agree.
Pickle85 said:
Well that's fine but you keep saying it as though you're some sort of last word on what constitutes a 'better' footballer. Which, objectively, you're not.
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Thats more like you I guess :lol:
 
Where Cherki played against us.

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If he came to United, he would probably be in competition with Amad since he doesn't seem to operate much on the left.
 
NZT-One said:
Him being perceived as "brilliant" is probably also down to the alternatives in our team being next to not noteworthy. I consider Amad a serious talent but lets not get overboard here. It was more or less his first year and he missed a lot of it. Lets see if he is able to replicate strong performances when he comes back and opposition teams will start to prepare for him. It isn't as if he's some sort of physical freak that is unstoppable. One step at a time.


Who would have thought, I agree.

Thats more like you I guess :lol:
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Hahaha, we are who we are! Leopards and spots and all that.
 
Raoul said:
Where Cherki played against us.

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If he came to United, he would probably be in competition with Amad since he doesn't seem to operate much on the left.
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Or - we play Amad RWB and have Cherki and Amad running at opposition left backs
 
2 man midfield said:
Or - we play Amad RWB and have Cherki and Amad running at opposition left backs
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That wouldn't really be playing to Amad's strengths though would it. He's fundamentally an attacker with moderately low defensive skills. His strength is further up the pitch in a front 3.
 
Raoul said:
That wouldn't really be playing to Amad's strengths though would it. He's fundamentally an attacker with moderately low defensive skills. His strength is further up the pitch in a front 3.
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I think it would, he’s athletic enough to get up and down, and wouldn’t need to defend much in Amorim’s ideal system anyway. The wing backs are more attacking than defensive. I’d rather have him there than Dalot anyway.
 
Raoul said:
Where Cherki played against us.

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If he came to United, he would probably be in competition with Amad since he doesn't seem to operate much on the left.
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You can't judge him off one game in which he was essentially playing as a right winger. He's obviously not going to be hanging out on the left. Think he'd be fine at either 10 position. I've seen him assist plenty of goals from both pockets. He's known to be one of the most two footed players in Europe. Remember a few years ago when Greenwood was breaking through and everyone was commenting on his two-footedness and yet when the stats were published, Cherki and Dembele were way ahead. Don't think fbref show those stats anymore.
 
Raoul said:
That wouldn't really be playing to Amad's strengths though would it. He's fundamentally an attacker with moderately low defensive skills. His strength is further up the pitch in a front 3.
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The link up between the two of them would be great to watch against the teams who camp in. Both have the guile you want in your team to unlock those defences and both are just good all round technical footballers.

I can't see it being an issue. Even if we wanted Amad in a more advanced role, Cherki could be given the license to go where he wants - as he did at times against us. Cherki is more of a natural fit than 3 or 4 of the players we've already attempted to shoehorn in there.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
You can't judge him off one game in which he was essentially playing as a right winger. He's obviously not going to be hanging out on the left. Think he'd be fine at either 10 position. I've seen him assist plenty of goals from both pockets. He's known to be one of the most two footed players in Europe. Remember a few years ago when Greenwood was breaking through and everyone was commenting on his two-footedness and yet when the stats were published, Cherki and Dembele were way ahead. Don't think fbref show those stats anymore.
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I haven't watched many Lyon games but all the websites that describe his position seem to suggest he operates mainly on the right, which was reinforced by the heat map I posted of the EL game. That doesn't mean we shouldn't buy him, just that Amad's presence may require a bit of thought as to who should play where.
 
2 man midfield said:
I think it would, he’s athletic enough to get up and down, and wouldn’t need to defend much in Amorim’s ideal system anyway. The wing backs are more attacking than defensive. I’d rather have him there than Dalot anyway.
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But attacking-defending aren't the only dimensions when it comes to this. The wingbacks maybe aren't required to sniff out any danger but they have to be around to provide numbers. Which means, they have a heavy load of running to be able to provide width in attack AND in defense. I think, Amad would be absolutely wasted out there. He is intelligent, a great dribbler and smart, he is perfectly placed more centrally where his dribbling abilities are even more pronounced and in terms of our own team, even more of a standout compared to other players. He looked good at RWB, no doubt but this was in comparison to Dalot and Mazraoui, who aren't even considered more than decent when it comes to attacking fullbacks, let alone wingers. Put Garnacho out there and even he would outshine those two.

Amad is young and inexperienced, would have had his first full season if not for the injury. There is no need not to go for another player just because of him. The squad is quite bare when it comes to really good fits for those 10ish positions, it certainly isn't an issue to add to the arsenal.
 
NZT-One said:
But attacking-defending aren't the only dimensions when it comes to this. The wingbacks maybe aren't required to sniff out any danger but they have to be around to provide numbers. Which means, they have a heavy load of running to be able to provide width in attack AND in defense. I think, Amad would be absolutely wasted out there. He is intelligent, a great dribbler and smart, he is perfectly placed more centrally where his dribbling abilities are even more pronounced and in terms of our own team, even more of a standout compared to other players. He looked good at RWB, no doubt but this was in comparison to Dalot and Mazraoui, who aren't even considered more than decent when it comes to attacking fullbacks, let alone wingers. Put Garnacho out there and even he would outshine those two.

Amad is young and inexperienced, would have had his first full season if not for the injury. There is no need not to go for another player just because of him. The squad is quite bare when it comes to really good fits for those 10ish positions, it certainly isn't an issue to add to the arsenal.
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Hey don’t get me wrong, if we’re prepared to sign a bonafide right wing back, I’d absolutely be up for that rather than shoe horning Amad out there.

Not sure I agree that he’d be wasted further back though. I sometimes feel like he’s wasted closer to goal in a way, similar to Bruno. He’s almost better further back, running at people and causing havoc rather than receiving the ball on the edge of the box.
 
pocco said:
Cherki > Cunha based on this week.
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Cunha did very little and had almost zero impact on the game, aside from winning the free kick the goal came from. Amorim would pull his hair out having such a lazy player in his team. Cherki looked by far a better player and more of a team player at OT.
 
2 man midfield said:
Hey don’t get me wrong, if we’re prepared to sign a bonafide right wing back, I’d absolutely be up for that rather than shoe horning Amad out there.

Not sure I agree that he’d be wasted further back though. I sometimes feel like he’s wasted closer to goal in a way, similar to Bruno. He’s almost better further back, running at people and causing havoc rather than receiving the ball on the edge of the box.
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Thats interesting, we would disagree on both players then :lol: think the closer to opposition goal the more relevant certain skill-levels become, look at Garnacho, he shines when dribbling around the half way line but as soon as space gets tighter, he struggles. Amads dribbling is better than his plus I think Amad can play one twos and passes on a different level to Garnacho. With Bruno, I want him to be as close to opposition goal as possible to make use of his eye for goal and to be closer to do real damage with his passes. He can do so further away from goal too, but then misplaced passes and not the greatest defending cause issues that I'd prefer to see avoided.

Lets see how things end up.
 
Red_toad said:
Cunha did very little and had almost zero impact on the game, aside from winning the free kick the goal came from. Amorim would pull his hair out having such a lazy player in his team. Cherki looked by far a better player and more of a team player at OT.
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At this stage I’m settled on this muppet train for the summer. We have a history of providing the stage for this sort of maverick talent and the fans would love him.

My reservations are that we’re not linked with him and I’d imagine there’s a few better teams that will be in for him. Plus he got pelted by our fans which won’t help!
 
pocco said:
At this stage I’m settled on this muppet train for the summer. We have a history of providing the stage for this sort of maverick talent and the fans would love him.

My reservations are that we’re not linked with him and I’d imagine there’s a few better teams that will be in for him. Plus he got pelted by our fans which won’t help!
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I’d say we’re much more likely to be in for Dibling to add to our small sock team, save a fortune on fabric and shin pads, so Sir Jim will approve :lol:.
Dibling is far more a grafter than either and glides past players with easy.
 
Red_toad said:
I’d say we’re much more likely to be in for Dibling to add to our small sock team, save a fortune on fabric and shin pads, so Sir Jim will approve :lol:.
Dibling is far more a grafter than either and glides past players with easy.
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But he'd be significantly more expensive wouldn't he? Plus it is pretty unlikely that there wouldn't be any less competition around him if he is as promising as so many posters make him out for.
 
For 20m it just seems a no brainer.

That’s probably the sort of fee we’ll get for Sancho.
 
Longlivekeano said:
A French maverick? Check.
A guy with suspect attitude? Check.

Sign him up and give him the number 7 jersey. Ooh ahh Cherki!
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The number 7 jersey is cursed and should just be retired forever. It's been 15 years since anybody did anything while wearing it.
 
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